Topic: 'Western powers antithetical to peace in Syria'
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Mon 08/13/12 07:41 AM
The mistake the corporations make is that they believe that the public is basically a bunch of idiots who will believe any mind numbing thing they tell them on the boob tube. There is a reason they call it the "boob" tube.

Intelligent people have to read between the lines and listen carefully to the buzz words and subliminals being placed before the public on the boob tube. Like reading Tarot cards, you can look for signs, trends, buzz words like "Al Qaeda's finger prints were all over this.." Which is hilarious because everyone knows that there were no real finger prints.

An intelligent person does not reject information from any source even if a large percentage of it is misleading, suggestive, unsubstantiated, etc. because the real truth can be found between the lines and looking at the signs and even by watching the expressions on the faces of politicians when they lie with the skill of phycopaths.

Very often the exact opposite of what they are saying is the truth.
As in most of the things that Obama says. laugh


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Mon 08/13/12 01:36 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/13/12 01:39 PM


All of which is largely irrelevant and has no bearing on the quality of journalism exhibited by Russia Today. You ignored the important section.

Russia Today was conceived as a soft-power tool to improve Russia’s image abroad, to counter the anti-Russian bias the Kremlin saw in the Western media. Since its founding in 2005, however, the broadcast outlet has become better known as an extension of former President Vladimir Putin’s confrontational foreign policy.

Now, Russia is a key player in this conflict and Russia Today is a mouthpiece for 'Putin's confrontational foreign policy', therefore, RT would produce an article in the interests of Russian manipulations in Syria, would it not? It's simple really, just apply a little critical thinking.

Russia Today is considered tabloid among academics in media studies and it doesn't take much to discern this. But then, one would have to be a student of media studies to be aware of this.




If the Corporate United States of American and their corporate leaders don't have their controlling fingers in our Jewish controlled corporate owned media then you can feel free to make comparisons.


Fox News is considered Tabloid. From what I see on the nightly news, even CNN, ABC, CBS etc. they all are great competitors for the Tabloid news about who is breaking up with who in hollywood.


True, (to a point) Fox is tabloid, that's a given, hence you will never see me cite it as a source. CNN fares a little better as do CBS & ABC. It is not difficult to ascertain the bias in a report: The use of language (hyperbole, emotive adjectives etc.). But then, I don't rate populist media as much of a source.

And quite frankly, I appreciate hearing another side to the propaganda I am bombarded with every day in this country, regardless if anyone else thinks it reflects Vladimir Putin’s "confrontational " foreign policy.


Who doesn't? But one needs to be able to recognise it for what it is. It's just standard critical analysis of sources, or more colloquially, "don't believe everything you read".

Anyway, what is wrong with being confrontational? It is simply having a different point of view from someone else. Everyone has a right to their own points of view.



Being confrontational is not simply having a different opinion to someone else. This is politics and it is not a game. Furthermore, we need to recognise it for what it is (Putin's propaganda), and homespun rhetoric doesn't change that. You do realise, I hope, that Putin severely limited the freedom of the Russian press with legislation in recent years? Remember, this is about Syria, and Russia is playing politics in this game. One needs to focus on that regarding this issue. Obfuscation won't change that.



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Mon 08/13/12 02:10 PM
This is politics and it is not a game.


After I stopped laughing at that remark I had to reply.

YES IT IS A GAME.

They have you convinced it is "not a game?" They love that I bet.

I'll spare the rolling heads, but this deserved its own post response.


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Mon 08/13/12 02:18 PM

This is politics and it is not a game.


After I stopped laughing at that remark I had to reply.

YES IT IS A GAME.

They have you convinced it is "not a game?" They love that I bet.

I'll spare the rolling heads, but this deserved its own post response.




laugh laugh laugh

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Mon 08/13/12 03:12 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/13/12 03:13 PM

This is politics and it is not a game.


After I stopped laughing at that remark I had to reply.

YES IT IS A GAME.

They have you convinced it is "not a game?" They love that I bet.

I'll spare the rolling heads, but this deserved its own post response.




Please focus on the issue. The 'it's not a game' line refers to the deaths of innocents on the ground, or do you think that is a game? No-one has me convinced of anything and that rhetoric you parrot like an automaton is infantile. Now, obfuscation aside, please address the post. Why do you have so much trouble discussing a point?

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Mon 08/13/12 03:19 PM


This is politics and it is not a game.


After I stopped laughing at that remark I had to reply.

YES IT IS A GAME.

They have you convinced it is "not a game?" They love that I bet.

I'll spare the rolling heads, but this deserved its own post response.




Please focus on the issue. The 'it's not a game' line refers to the deaths of innocents on the ground, or do you think that is a game? No-one has me convinced of anything and that rhetoric you parrot like an automaton is infantile. Now, obfuscation aside, please address the post. Why do you have so much trouble discussing a point?

because he's obsessed with Zionism.rofl rofl rofl

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Mon 08/13/12 04:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/13/12 04:03 PM


This is politics and it is not a game.


After I stopped laughing at that remark I had to reply.

YES IT IS A GAME.

They have you convinced it is "not a game?" They love that I bet.

I'll spare the rolling heads, but this deserved its own post response.




Please focus on the issue. The 'it's not a game' line refers to the deaths of innocents on the ground, or do you think that is a game? No-one has me convinced of anything and that rhetoric you parrot like an automaton is infantile. Now, obfuscation aside, please address the post. Why do you have so much trouble discussing a point?



No, you said specifically that "This is Politics and it (politics) was "not a game."

Now you are trying to use sentiment and emotional tactics by dredging up mental pictures of the "deaths of innocents."

That is exactly what "rhetoric" is. You want me to "address the post?: Okay I will. You said:


Being confrontational is not simply having a different opinion to someone else. This is politics and it is not a game. Furthermore, we need to recognise it for what it is (Putin's propaganda), and homespun rhetoric doesn't change that. You do realise, I hope, that Putin severely limited the freedom of the Russian press with legislation in recent years? Remember, this is about Syria, and Russia is playing politics in this game. One needs to focus on that regarding this issue. Obfuscation won't change that.


Yes I know all about Putin and what a screwed up country Russia is. I have friends and customers in Russia. I talk to them on Skype.

And you say now that "Russia is playing politics in this game"

So make up your mind. Is it a game or not a game?

(-and you said that, after having just said "This is politics and it is not a game.")

Then you stated that "this is about Syria" and "one needs to focus on that regarding this issue."

That is the same thing the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu keeps saying... that the attention needs to "stay focused on Syria."

This is the sort of trick a magician uses for slight of hand.

Distract the audience.











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Mon 08/13/12 04:14 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/13/12 04:20 PM

Please focus on the issue. The 'it's not a game' line refers to the deaths of innocents on the ground, or do you think that is a game? No-one has me convinced of anything and that rhetoric you parrot like an automaton is infantile. Now, obfuscation aside, please address the post. Why do you have so much trouble discussing a point?



No, you said specifically that "This is Politics and it (politics) was "not a game."

Now you are trying to use sentiment and emotional tactics by dredging up mental pictures of the "deaths of innocents."

That is exactly what "rhetoric" is.


You want me to "address the post?: Okay I will. You said:

Being confrontational is not simply having a different opinion to someone else. This is politics and it is not a game. Furthermore, we need to recognise it for what it is (Putin's propaganda), and homespun rhetoric doesn't change that. You do realise, I hope, that Putin severely limited the freedom of the Russian press with legislation in recent years? Remember, this is about Syria, and Russia is playing politics in this game. One needs to focus on that regarding this issue. Obfuscation won't change that.


Yes I know all about Putin and what a screwed up country Russia is. I have friends and customers in Russia. I talk to them on Skype.

And you say now that "Russia is playing politics in this game"

So make up your mind. Is it a game or not a game?

(-and you said that, after having just said "This is politics and it is not a game.")

Then you stated that "this is about Syria" and "one needs to focus on that regarding this issue."

That is the same thing the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu keeps saying... that the attention needs to "stay focused on Syria."

This is the sort of trick a magician uses for slight of hand.

Distract the audience.


Mere obfuscation (and a weak attempt at that). Why can't you focus on the issue? You have avoided the issue of Russia Today from the outset. Your spin on anything but the subject is quite telling. Either your language skills are weak, or this diversion is intentional.

I'll try this again:

"Russia Today was conceived as a soft-power tool to improve Russia’s image abroad, to counter the anti-Russian bias the Kremlin saw in the Western media. Since its founding in 2005, however, the broadcast outlet has become better known as an extension of former President Vladimir Putin’s confrontational foreign policy.

Now, with the topic being Syria can you see the relationship? Please, try and stay focussed upon this and don't be distracted by that which is irrelelvant.

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Mon 08/13/12 04:21 PM
I already addressed that issue in detail. You are the one who needs to "stay focused."


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Mon 08/13/12 04:22 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Mon 08/13/12 04:25 PM
All you have on this subject of "Russia today" is YOUR OPINION.

It is not a fact.

and your entire agenda is an attempt to discredit that particular news source.

You consistently do that with all my sources, all the websites I link to etc.

It is a classic M.O. I am very familiar with.

It doesn't fool anyone.


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Mon 08/13/12 04:45 PM

I already addressed that issue in detail. You are the one who needs to "stay focused."





No, you didn't. You merely obfuscated. But whatever, I'm used to it.

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Mon 08/13/12 04:47 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/13/12 04:50 PM

All you have on this subject of "Russia today" is YOUR OPINION.

It is not a fact.

and your entire agenda is an attempt to discredit that particular news source.

You consistently do that with all my sources, all the websites I link to etc.

It is a classic M.O. I am very familiar with.

It doesn't fool anyone.





It is because you use specious sources, but that stands to reason because the contentions and stories you appear to support are fantasies in themselves. Revise causality (specious sources = specious contentions).

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Mon 08/13/12 04:48 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Mon 08/13/12 04:49 PM

All you have on this subject of "Russia today" is YOUR OPINION.

It is not a fact.

and your entire agenda is an attempt to discredit that particular news source.

You consistently do that with all my sources, all the websites I link to etc.

It is a classic M.O. I am very familiar with.

It doesn't fool anyone.




Yes, its the constant discrediting that gives it away. No Variation.

The same ole same ole same oleyawn yawn yawn














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Mon 08/13/12 04:52 PM
Edited by HotRodDeluxe on Mon 08/13/12 05:03 PM


All you have on this subject of "Russia today" is YOUR OPINION.

It is not a fact.

and your entire agenda is an attempt to discredit that particular news source.

You consistently do that with all my sources, all the websites I link to etc.

It is a classic M.O. I am very familiar with.

It doesn't fool anyone.




Yes, its the constant discrediting that gives it away. No Variation.

The same ole same ole same oleyawn yawn yawn


You must hate those conversant in media studies. laugh They can see through the BS, but then, that's the whole point of going the hard yards in this discipline. It's easy to criticise, but then it is clear that you don't know what you are actually criticising.


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Mon 08/13/12 05:06 PM
There is a specific list of methods that are used to attempt to silence people from voicing their opinions and perceptions of the truth.

One of the first ones is an attempt to discredit the source and the source's sources. To demean them, and to attack them on a personal level. (But there are many other methods.)

One of my favorite I see used in Mingle is appealing to human emotions and tossing guilt trips around and they say things like:

"You are disrespecting the victims and their families with your theories!"

"This is not a game, its about the innocent victims, the women and children ...etc."

Of course in the real world, there is out right terrorism, bribes, threats, and even physical violence. But public attitude and opinions are manipulated and shaped by the boob tube more than anything. It is a very powerful and successful tool for the manipulation of public opinion.

And now that Russia is learning how to use it to their advantage people are getting annoyed and even nervous.







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Mon 08/13/12 05:09 PM
And more than anything, they hate youtube. Youtube is the voice of the masses. Once it comes under the control of the Cabal you will see other sites just like it popping up all over the place. There is no stopping the voices of the people of this world.


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Mon 08/13/12 05:11 PM


All you have on this subject of "Russia today" is YOUR OPINION.

It is not a fact.

and your entire agenda is an attempt to discredit that particular news source.

You consistently do that with all my sources, all the websites I link to etc.

It is a classic M.O. I am very familiar with.

It doesn't fool anyone.





It is because you use specious sources, but that stands to reason because the contentions and stories you appear to support are fantasies in themselves. Revise causality (specious sources = specious contentions).



Again, YOUR OPINION.

I know that most news sources are spun to favor an agenda, but if you want balanced information you MUST SEE ALL SIDES.

Then draw your own conclusion from that and from all of your other alternative sources.


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Mon 08/13/12 05:12 PM

There is a specific list of methods that are used to attempt to silence people from voicing their opinions and perceptions of the truth.

One of the first ones is an attempt to discredit the source and the source's sources. To demean them, and to attack them on a personal level. (But there are many other methods.)

One of my favorite I see used in Mingle is appealing to human emotions and tossing guilt trips around and they say things like:

"You are disrespecting the victims and their families with your theories!"

"This is not a game, its about the innocent victims, the women and children ...etc."

Of course in the real world, there is out right terrorism, bribes, threats, and even physical violence. But public attitude and opinions are manipulated and shaped by the boob tube more than anything. It is a very powerful and successful tool for the manipulation of public opinion.

And now that Russia is learning how to use it to their advantage people are getting annoyed and even nervous.


Bravo! A beautiful piece of manipulative rhetoric! flowers

The use of hyperbole and emotive language is a classic example.

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Mon 08/13/12 05:13 PM



All you have on this subject of "Russia today" is YOUR OPINION.

It is not a fact.

and your entire agenda is an attempt to discredit that particular news source.

You consistently do that with all my sources, all the websites I link to etc.

It is a classic M.O. I am very familiar with.

It doesn't fool anyone.




Yes, its the constant discrediting that gives it away. No Variation.

The same ole same ole same oleyawn yawn yawn


You must hate those conversant in media studies. laugh They can see through the BS, but then, that's the whole point of going the hard yards in this discipline. It's easy to criticise, but then it is clear that you don't know what you are actually criticising.




:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

rofl rofl rofl

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Mon 08/13/12 05:16 PM


There is a specific list of methods that are used to attempt to silence people from voicing their opinions and perceptions of the truth.

One of the first ones is an attempt to discredit the source and the source's sources. To demean them, and to attack them on a personal level. (But there are many other methods.)

One of my favorite I see used in Mingle is appealing to human emotions and tossing guilt trips around and they say things like:

"You are disrespecting the victims and their families with your theories!"

"This is not a game, its about the innocent victims, the women and children ...etc."

Of course in the real world, there is out right terrorism, bribes, threats, and even physical violence. But public attitude and opinions are manipulated and shaped by the boob tube more than anything. It is a very powerful and successful tool for the manipulation of public opinion.

And now that Russia is learning how to use it to their advantage people are getting annoyed and even nervous.


Bravo! A beautiful piece of manipulative rhetoric! flowers

The use of hyperbole and emotive language is a classic example.


That is what you were doing when you brought up the "innocent victims of Syria" in an effort to get me to take the GAME OF POLITICS seriously.

I don't.

ITS A GAME. A dangerous and deadly game, but still a game.


and I am wise to every one of the tactics used by the COMPANY to silence the voices of truth.

So stop trying to use them on me. They don't work.