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Topic: Faith...I do not understand
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Thu 08/09/12 12:06 AM


So, eh...I've been going to church quite a bit recently, so far purely out of an educational aspect since I like learning new things and I didn't know much about this particular religion.

I got a friend who is a Jehovah Witness and he tells me that I cannot see religion through logical eyes, in that he says that you just have to have faith. And here we come to my complication...How does one, well, simply give faith into something they do not fully understand? Much less handing that faith over to an entity that may, or may not exist? I compare it to giving a bum $100 and hoping it is used for something good, but knowing full well it will not be.

I'm trying to understand faith, I've never had faith...And since starting my voyage of learning about this new religion I've come to understand that it almost entirely is set on faith. I wish to learn about this, faith, and how/why it works?




IDK, I've been losing my faith for a while and now I'm trying to figure it out. I was born and raised Christian and have always believed in what I was taught, but IDK anymore.

I wish you the best and truly hope you find what you are seeking and that it is true.


"Let us hold fast
the profession of our faith
without wavering;
(for he is faithful that promised;)"
Hebrews 10:23



Faith in God is so vital.
You must seek it as a priceless treasure.
Let there be no room for double-mindedness.




Ladywind7's photo
Thu 08/09/12 02:28 AM
With Msharmony here. Prayer works, what the bible teaches works. Living fully for God works. I personally have seen & experienced so many signs & wonders. I have 100% faith that God exists & all He asks is that we repent of our wrongs, then allow Him in.

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Thu 08/09/12 06:21 AM


It is a personal thing, but faith generally covers only the core beliefs- when you start believing the wacky stuff then it isn't faith anymore. Be careful of faith and people of "faith"- these people often post "absolute proofs" about their faith, which generally consist of logical fallacies. For example, the guy who tried to show proof in g-d by example of a banana- he failed to realize that the bananas we eat are man-made mutations and do not occur in nature. If you need proof, then you don't have faith, do you?


man made bananas? interesting?

r u sure thats what everyone eats?


"Those first bananas that people knew in antiquity were not sweet like the bananas we know today, but were cooking bananas or plantain bananas with a starchy taste and composition. The bright yellow bananas that we know today were discovered as a mutation from the plantain banana by a Jamaican, Jean Francois Poujot, in the year 1836. He found this hybrid mutation growing in his banana tree plantation with a sweet flavor and a yellow color-instead of green or red, and not requiring cooking like the plantain banana. The rapid establishment of this new exotic fruit was welcomed worldwide, and it was massively grown for world markets."

More of a proof of evolution, than creationism

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Thu 08/09/12 08:12 AM



It is a personal thing, but faith generally covers only the core beliefs- when you start believing the wacky stuff then it isn't faith anymore. Be careful of faith and people of "faith"- these people often post "absolute proofs" about their faith, which generally consist of logical fallacies. For example, the guy who tried to show proof in g-d by example of a banana- he failed to realize that the bananas we eat are man-made mutations and do not occur in nature. If you need proof, then you don't have faith, do you?


man made bananas? interesting?

r u sure thats what everyone eats?


"Those first bananas that people knew in antiquity were not sweet like the bananas we know today, but were cooking bananas or plantain bananas with a starchy taste and composition. The bright yellow bananas that we know today were discovered as a mutation from the plantain banana by a Jamaican, Jean Francois Poujot, in the year 1836. He found this hybrid mutation growing in his banana tree plantation with a sweet flavor and a yellow color-instead of green or red, and not requiring cooking like the plantain banana. The rapid establishment of this new exotic fruit was welcomed worldwide, and it was massively grown for world markets."

More of a proof of evolution, than creationism


Many people confuse plantains with bananas, some of the differences are noted above. Although they look a lot like green bananas and are a close relative, plantains are very different. They are starchy, not sweet, and they are used as a vegetable in many recipes, especially in Latin America and Africa. Plantains are sold in the fresh produce section of the supermarket, they usually resemble green bananas; ripe plantains may be black in color. Plantains are longer than bananas and they have thicker skins. They also have natural brown spots and rough areas.

A "plantain" is not a banana though. It is only closely related, but it is a different fruit all in it's own. The two are not connected.

And evolution in it's exact tense does not rule out creationism. God made us to where we could adapt/evolve to the different surroundings/enviroments.

If God would not have made us to adapt/evolve, then we all would be secluded to one part of the world where we were originally brought into this world. Say we were made in the tropic, we would not be able to survive in extremely hot/dry weather, nor the snowy cold areas if not for adaptation/evolving. This also include skin color. Because the only difference between adaptation and evolution is time period. The first ones to that area, adapt to that climate/enviroment. After that after multiple generations, it's viewed as evolution.

But this is a wee bit off "religion" discussion and won't go into much detail about the two.

But again, God made us to be able to survive in all climates and this is done through evolution.

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Thu 08/09/12 08:43 AM

So, eh...I've been going to church quite a bit recently, so far purely out of an educational aspect since I like learning new things and I didn't know much about this particular religion.

I got a friend who is a Jehovah Witness and he tells me that I cannot see religion through logical eyes, in that he says that you just have to have faith. And here we come to my complication...How does one, well, simply give faith into something they do not fully understand? Much less handing that faith over to an entity that may, or may not exist? I compare it to giving a bum $100 and hoping it is used for something good, but knowing full well it will not be.

I'm trying to understand faith, I've never had faith...And since starting my voyage of learning about this new religion I've come to understand that it almost entirely is set on faith. I wish to learn about this, faith, and how/why it works?



Realize that your faith in God is a seed, as a mustard seed.

And the enemy of your soul will always show up to confuse you and to devour that seed.

Much like he did to Adam and Eve in the garden.

The Word of God is salvation.


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Fri 08/10/12 12:39 PM
Wow...Thank you, everyone, for your help.

I'm working on it, and it seems to be working out...Keep it coming, and I'll keep you updated. The praying thing seems to help, definitely more than whatever it was I was doing before.

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Fri 08/10/12 01:20 PM
Hey, that is wonderful news. When you pray, it connects you directly with God. You begin to learn to discern His voice from any thoughts you have. The more you pray, the more you will experience answers to your prayers. Enjoy your journey into faith :-)

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Sat 08/11/12 04:01 PM

Jesus said:

"Blessed are they which do hunger

and thirst after righteousness:

for they shall be filled."

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Sun 08/19/12 03:27 PM


One of the strongest arguments for Christianity and the Jesus story is that it cannot be proven to be untrue.... It must be accepted totally on FAITH...... We are 2000 years later without videos, pictures etc to prove that the biblical version of Jesus is false.....

Kind of like flying elephants....
I have seen many live elephants in my 56 years, many pictures, etc...and I have never seen an elephant fly. There are cartoons and drawings of flying elephants (dumbo, etc..) so some might think they are based upon truth... and some would argue, since I have not traveled the globe and looked at every elephant, the elephants I have never seen could have a few among them that can fly.

But based upon logic, reason, science and common sense I know elephants don't fly. Kind of like God wasn't mad at a person for eating an apple after listening to a talking snake... then inseminating a woman to have a god/son to suffer and die for us. I wasn't there 2000 years ago, but this story is beyond bizarre.....It would be easier to buy into worshiping flying elephants !!!

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Sun 08/19/12 04:08 PM

One of the strongest arguments for Christianity and the Jesus story is that it cannot be proven to be untrue.... It must be accepted totally on FAITH...... We are 2000 years later without videos, pictures etc to prove that the biblical version of Jesus is false.....

Kind of like flying elephants....
I have seen many live elephants in my 56 years, many pictures, etc...and I have never seen an elephant fly. There are cartoons and drawings of flying elephants (dumbo, etc..) so some might think they are based upon truth... and some would argue, since I have not traveled the globe and looked at every elephant, the elephants I have never seen could have a few among them that can fly.

But based upon logic, reason, science and common sense I know elephants don't fly. Kind of like God wasn't mad at a person for eating an apple after listening to a talking snake... then inseminating a woman to have a god/son to suffer and die for us. I wasn't there 2000 years ago, but this story is beyond bizarre.....It would be easier to buy into worshiping flying elephants !!!



This is a created being's logic.


"Where wast thou

when I laid the foundations of the earth?

declare, if thou hast understanding."

Job_38:4,



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Sun 08/19/12 05:27 PM
Edited by Ruth34611 on Sun 08/19/12 05:29 PM

So, eh...I've been going to church quite a bit recently, so far purely out of an educational aspect since I like learning new things and I didn't know much about this particular religion.

I got a friend who is a Jehovah Witness and he tells me that I cannot see religion through logical eyes, in that he says that you just have to have faith. And here we come to my complication...How does one, well, simply give faith into something they do not fully understand? Much less handing that faith over to an entity that may, or may not exist? I compare it to giving a bum $100 and hoping it is used for something good, but knowing full well it will not be.

I'm trying to understand faith, I've never had faith...And since starting my voyage of learning about this new religion I've come to understand that it almost entirely is set on faith. I wish to learn about this, faith, and how/why it works?



Belief in God is based on Faith. If you don't have it, you don't have it. It's not something you can force.

If you want to find a meaningful religion, search them, study them and try practicing them and see if one "speaks" to you. It will just feel right and bring you that connection to the Divine that you are looking for (if you are looking for it).

Or simply study religions because it's interesting to you. I do that. I have had dinner with a Hindu man and his wife where they fed me Prasada. I've been to Unity church, Unitarian church, Wiccan Circle....etc. The list is long. Just remember to always be very respectful when others allow you to participate in their rituals.

And, yes....prayer, above all is what will bring you faith. :heart:

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