Topic: Faith Based Temporal Loops In Religion.
AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 08/05/12 09:18 PM
Jesus is not the Tree of Imortality.

That Tree has fruit that gives imortality to the physical in the physical.

If we continue to climb the Tree of Knowledge we will eventually find the Branch of Imortality in the Physical Realm... (Gods gift is life in this realm).

The Soul is already Imortal (we are created the image of God).

It exists before we are born in his realm and endures after we leave behind the Material world and all its lures.

Jesus is a Guide along the Path to Salvation that we might be close to God in the Realm of the Spirit.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 08/05/12 09:23 PM

Jesus is not the Tree of Imortality.

That Tree has fruit that gives imortality to the physical in the physical.

If we continue to climb the Tree of Knowledge we will eventually find the Branch of Imortality in the Physical Realm... (Gods gift is life in this realm).

The Soul is already Imortal (we are created the image of God).

It exists before we are born in his realm and endures after we leave behind the Material world and all its lures.

Jesus is a Guide along the Path to Salvation that we might be close to God in the Realm of the Spirit.


Ah, but one will never find immortality less they find Jesus. Life is only granted through Jesus. The soul is immortal. But actions have consequences, and the only reward/consequence for sin is death. Thus Jesus offers forgiveness, strength and guidance.

CowboyGH's photo
Sun 08/05/12 09:25 PM

O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 08/05/12 10:43 PM


Jesus is not the Tree of Imortality.

That Tree has fruit that gives imortality to the physical in the physical.

If we continue to climb the Tree of Knowledge we will eventually find the Branch of Imortality in the Physical Realm... (Gods gift is life in this realm).

The Soul is already Imortal (we are created the image of God).

It exists before we are born in his realm and endures after we leave behind the Material world and all its lures.

Jesus is a Guide along the Path to Salvation that we might be close to God in the Realm of the Spirit.


Ah, but one will never find immortality less they find Jesus. Life is only granted through Jesus. The soul is immortal. But actions have consequences, and the only reward/consequence for sin is death. Thus Jesus offers forgiveness, strength and guidance.

Jesus did not just offer.

God gave.

At the moment of Resurection the very Heavens changed.

Jesus asked... God Gave.

All the names of the Tribes of Adam were wiped from the Stone that marks the Path to Hell.

Only Satan is written upon that stone.

The Tribes of Adam were accorded access to the Heavenly Realms of Old... and Heaven itself expanded to contain the entire human race.

AdventureBegins's photo
Sun 08/05/12 10:50 PM


O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 08/06/12 05:52 AM



Jesus is not the Tree of Imortality.

That Tree has fruit that gives imortality to the physical in the physical.

If we continue to climb the Tree of Knowledge we will eventually find the Branch of Imortality in the Physical Realm... (Gods gift is life in this realm).

The Soul is already Imortal (we are created the image of God).

It exists before we are born in his realm and endures after we leave behind the Material world and all its lures.

Jesus is a Guide along the Path to Salvation that we might be close to God in the Realm of the Spirit.


Ah, but one will never find immortality less they find Jesus. Life is only granted through Jesus. The soul is immortal. But actions have consequences, and the only reward/consequence for sin is death. Thus Jesus offers forgiveness, strength and guidance.

Jesus did not just offer.

God gave.

At the moment of Resurection the very Heavens changed.

Jesus asked... God Gave.

All the names of the Tribes of Adam were wiped from the Stone that marks the Path to Hell.

Only Satan is written upon that stone.

The Tribes of Adam were accorded access to the Heavenly Realms of Old... and Heaven itself expanded to contain the entire human race.



Jesus asked... God Gave.


If you'll ever notice when Jesus refers to his father, he only ever says HIS God. And when he speaks to us about himself, he says OUR God.

CowboyGH's photo
Mon 08/06/12 05:53 AM



O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 08/06/12 10:09 PM




O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

Why is everything a title of a being to you?

How is the Word now a being? It can not be so for the Word was made Flesh.

Claiming it as a being returns one to Adam of the Begining when the word was in God and Mankind had not yet seen Grace.

A Temporal Loop.

heavenlyboy34's photo
Mon 08/06/12 11:36 PM
I didn't read the whole thread, but got the gist of it. The disagreement could, IMO, be found by consulting the work of St Augustine. He addressed every objection that I read through. drinker

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/07/12 09:24 AM





O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

Why is everything a title of a being to you?

How is the Word now a being? It can not be so for the Word was made Flesh.

Claiming it as a being returns one to Adam of the Begining when the word was in God and Mankind had not yet seen Grace.

A Temporal Loop.


Something being a "being" doesn't mean it has flesh. We're speaking of a spiritual essence here. The Word was never "in" God. The Word was "with" God and the Word "was" God. But we have no information of the Word being "in" God.

And how does that return us to Adam? The Word was before Adam. The Word was with God in the beginning. Mankind was not. Mankind was only with God after mankind was created, but was not in the beginning, only the beginning of mankind, which again was a creation.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/07/12 09:29 AM





O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

Why is everything a title of a being to you?

How is the Word now a being? It can not be so for the Word was made Flesh.

Claiming it as a being returns one to Adam of the Begining when the word was in God and Mankind had not yet seen Grace.

A Temporal Loop.



Why is everything a title of a being to you?


Not everything is a title. But we're speaking grammar here to keep things in context of what is being said and who is saying it.

If you'll notice verses like Psalms 82:6, I have said ye are gods. It is not capitalized. That is because that is a common noun, not a proper noun. It is not a name of a specific being.

But then we have the verse - John 3:16, God so love the world.... This "god" is capitalized. It is a specific reference of a specific being. And we refer to him as "god", for again "god" means being of authority. It's called being humble and uplifting another. It is putting our creator on a higher level then us.

And thus also why we are referred to as "gods". For we have been given dominion over the beasts of this planet.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 08/07/12 06:39 PM




Jesus is not the Tree of Imortality.

That Tree has fruit that gives imortality to the physical in the physical.

If we continue to climb the Tree of Knowledge we will eventually find the Branch of Imortality in the Physical Realm... (Gods gift is life in this realm).

The Soul is already Imortal (we are created the image of God).

It exists before we are born in his realm and endures after we leave behind the Material world and all its lures.

Jesus is a Guide along the Path to Salvation that we might be close to God in the Realm of the Spirit.


Ah, but one will never find immortality less they find Jesus. Life is only granted through Jesus. The soul is immortal. But actions have consequences, and the only reward/consequence for sin is death. Thus Jesus offers forgiveness, strength and guidance.

Jesus did not just offer.

God gave.

At the moment of Resurection the very Heavens changed.

Jesus asked... God Gave.

All the names of the Tribes of Adam were wiped from the Stone that marks the Path to Hell.

Only Satan is written upon that stone.

The Tribes of Adam were accorded access to the Heavenly Realms of Old... and Heaven itself expanded to contain the entire human race.



Jesus asked... God Gave.


If you'll ever notice when Jesus refers to his father, he only ever says HIS God. And when he speaks to us about himself, he says OUR God.

O'Cowboy of the Nazerene thou hast picked a nit from the cloth of his garment.

(our... yours and mine, his and yours).

Hast thou noticed the garment in your search for nits O' Scholar of Ritual?

It is the Garment of Grace.

Grace comes after Ascension yet before Glory in the Climb of Adam upon the Tree of Life.

In this day (while you chase Adam looking for Jesus) mankind has seen the Diamond of God reflected in his Glory.

Gods beloved has been revealed by the Pen of Glory.

For the most beloved in the Glory of God is Justice.

In the lexicon of the works of modern Art... The Blind Daughter of the Diamond of God, Eve. Pure in heart. Balanced in Spirit.


AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 08/07/12 06:42 PM

I didn't read the whole thread, but got the gist of it. The disagreement could, IMO, be found by consulting the work of St Augustine. He addressed every objection that I read through. drinker

I will deepen upon St. Augustine. Thank you.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 08/07/12 06:48 PM






O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

Why is everything a title of a being to you?

How is the Word now a being? It can not be so for the Word was made Flesh.

Claiming it as a being returns one to Adam of the Begining when the word was in God and Mankind had not yet seen Grace.

A Temporal Loop.


Something being a "being" doesn't mean it has flesh. We're speaking of a spiritual essence here. The Word was never "in" God. The Word was "with" God and the Word "was" God. But we have no information of the Word being "in" God.

And how does that return us to Adam? The Word was before Adam. The Word was with God in the beginning. Mankind was not. Mankind was only with God after mankind was created, but was not in the beginning, only the beginning of mankind, which again was a creation.

Returns you to Adam because you cling to Jesus as God. Jesus was annoited and received the Throne in Heaven. He went 'forward' to prepare for us a place.

If you cling to him as God you run right into the Stone of Adam.

Without Adam Jesus would have not had a Mother. Without the Mother Jesus would have no body and so would not have walked the earth.

She Knit that garment.

God knit Adam from the Dust of the Earth. No man born of woman existed before Adam.

Jesus is not in the Past.

He makes echos in your book from the future how then could he be in the past?

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 08/07/12 07:02 PM


I didn't read the whole thread, but got the gist of it. The disagreement could, IMO, be found by consulting the work of St Augustine. He addressed every objection that I read through. drinker

I will deepen upon St. Augustine. Thank you.

An astute man. He trickled back into the Church of the Rock of Jesus that which was removed from it by the Sword of Constantine.

Yet his works are like a small green leaf trapped in a whirlpool in the Temporal Loop that worship of the mediator leads to...

There is but one God (though his names be many).

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Tue 08/07/12 07:04 PM
I think my faith-based temporal lobe just exploded

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/07/12 08:11 PM







O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

Why is everything a title of a being to you?

How is the Word now a being? It can not be so for the Word was made Flesh.

Claiming it as a being returns one to Adam of the Begining when the word was in God and Mankind had not yet seen Grace.

A Temporal Loop.


Something being a "being" doesn't mean it has flesh. We're speaking of a spiritual essence here. The Word was never "in" God. The Word was "with" God and the Word "was" God. But we have no information of the Word being "in" God.

And how does that return us to Adam? The Word was before Adam. The Word was with God in the beginning. Mankind was not. Mankind was only with God after mankind was created, but was not in the beginning, only the beginning of mankind, which again was a creation.

Returns you to Adam because you cling to Jesus as God. Jesus was annoited and received the Throne in Heaven. He went 'forward' to prepare for us a place.

If you cling to him as God you run right into the Stone of Adam.

Without Adam Jesus would have not had a Mother. Without the Mother Jesus would have no body and so would not have walked the earth.

She Knit that garment.

God knit Adam from the Dust of the Earth. No man born of woman existed before Adam.

Jesus is not in the Past.

He makes echos in your book from the future how then could he be in the past?



Without Adam Jesus would have not had a Mother. Without the Mother Jesus would have no body and so would not have walked the earth.


And without Jesus, Adam never would have existed.

Genesis 2:7
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

CowboyGH's photo
Tue 08/07/12 08:18 PM







O'Cowboy of the Nazerene can you not see where thou hast gone?

For indeed thou didst discuss Jesus as the Word...

and thou hast missed again the Annointment of Grace and so returned into the past...

"Ah, Jesus did not speak the Word. The Word was in the beginning and the Word was God. The Word is not speaking vocal. If the Word was ment as in a vocal word, the Word could not be God. The Word is a name/title. Thus why it is capitalized in the scriptures. It is a proper noun."

The Word (in the form of Jesus) has ascended into the Celestial Realms, yea verily into the Heaven of Holiness...

Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.

By his rising did the Word rise also. By his Advent did the Word become Flesh in you.

Yet look O' Cowboy of the Nazerene... You have quoted yourself into the past. Is that not a temporal loop...

Christ is risen.

Mankind has not.

Be as Christ and lift them... Not from the Day of Adam but from this day to Glory. (their journey be not so long from this day).



Yet the Word (in the form of the Cowboy of the Nazerene has returned to the temporal place where Man was formed.


There is no Word in the form of the Cowboy... The Word is not referring to grammar, it is a proper noun, a title, a name. Jesus is the Word. There is no "Word of God", the Word IS God.

Jesus does not speak when opens your mouth. You do... When you do so you are the Word in the Flesh and speak the Word as Cowboy. (or do you claim to be Christ Jesus)?


The Word is not God.

The Word is IN God (as are all things).


Again "The Word" is a title of a being, it is not referring to vocal speaking, or even written speaking. It's not referring to vocabulary, it is a name of a being a title.

Why is everything a title of a being to you?

How is the Word now a being? It can not be so for the Word was made Flesh.

Claiming it as a being returns one to Adam of the Begining when the word was in God and Mankind had not yet seen Grace.

A Temporal Loop.


Something being a "being" doesn't mean it has flesh. We're speaking of a spiritual essence here. The Word was never "in" God. The Word was "with" God and the Word "was" God. But we have no information of the Word being "in" God.

And how does that return us to Adam? The Word was before Adam. The Word was with God in the beginning. Mankind was not. Mankind was only with God after mankind was created, but was not in the beginning, only the beginning of mankind, which again was a creation.

Returns you to Adam because you cling to Jesus as God. Jesus was annoited and received the Throne in Heaven. He went 'forward' to prepare for us a place.

If you cling to him as God you run right into the Stone of Adam.

Without Adam Jesus would have not had a Mother. Without the Mother Jesus would have no body and so would not have walked the earth.

She Knit that garment.

God knit Adam from the Dust of the Earth. No man born of woman existed before Adam.

Jesus is not in the Past.

He makes echos in your book from the future how then could he be in the past?



Jesus is not in the Past.


Jesus in the flesh is but a little while ago in the past. But Jesus himself, has always existed. I included the entire beginning part of this. Because in earlier discussions it was spoken the "Word" being something God spoke. So I included surrounding verses to keep in context. Now all these verses are referring the the Word, there is no other being mention except for the short reference of "was with God". Now notice in verse 3, all things made by him. This right there shows that the "Word" is a living being, not a spoken "word" that comes out of one's mouth.

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Then we have -

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Thus where the LORD God took on a form in the flesh eg., Jesus Christ.


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Tue 08/07/12 10:27 PM
Edited by AdventureBegins on Tue 08/07/12 10:30 PM
John was not at the begining and so looked back as did Lots woman.

This is why he was not the Rock of Christ.

For the Rock of Christ saw forward...

and Stands waiting for you at the Pearly Gates that open into the Inner Sanctum.

Jesus was born of a Woman.

That makes of him a man. Though he was the Son of God he was still also the Son of Woman...

Jesus would not exist but for the Reality of God.

Jesus would not exist but for the Reality of Adam and Eve.




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Wed 08/08/12 05:29 AM

John was not at the begining and so looked back as did Lots woman.

This is why he was not the Rock of Christ.

For the Rock of Christ saw forward...

and Stands waiting for you at the Pearly Gates that open into the Inner Sanctum.

Jesus was born of a Woman.

That makes of him a man. Though he was the Son of God he was still also the Son of Woman...

Jesus would not exist but for the Reality of God.

Jesus would not exist but for the Reality of Adam and Eve.






I never said John was in the beginning. These verses here are not reference to the "beginning". Only reference to when the Word took on the form of a servant eg., Jesus.



Jesus would not exist but for the Reality of God.

Jesus would not exist but for the Reality of Adam and Eve.


Please elaborate on this. Because Jesus is God and Jesus created Adam and Eve.