Topic: EVILS OF THE PRESENT SYSTEM
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Thu 07/19/12 10:41 AM
The present money system has three basic evils:

a)
It permits money to be issued privately, only by a limited number of persons and corporations who have bank credit, and makes such credit subject to fee. Thus it establishes credit as a privilege rather than a right, and makes it an object of profit rather than a utility to further the production and distribution of wealth. It denies to producers generally the right to issue money, thus making it impossible to expand buying power to potential producing power. This results in defeating the mass production system.

b)
It permits the government to issue unbacked money. The only way the government could back its money issues would be to go into the production of goods and services; and this would compete with private business. Thus the problem offers the two horns of a dilemma, both of which lead to socialization.

If it backs its money issues with goods and services (and there is no other way it can be backed), it executes a frontal attack on private enterprise. If it issues money without backing it (as it is doing), it executes a flank attack on private business through inflation——since to issue money without creating equivalent values is to inflate.

c)
It permits ambitious or designing or fanatical men who are in control of government to light the fires of war, threatening the lives and fortunes of untold millions. This terrible power lies solely in the political money system since armaments spring from money and money springs from government fiat, whereas it should spring only from the fiat of the people who would thus hold the veto power.

Download and read: Free ebook:
PRIVATE ENTERPRISE MONEY
A Non-Political Money System
by E. C. Riegel


http://www.reinventingmoney.com/documents/Enterprise.pdf

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Thu 07/19/12 10:46 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 10:47 AM
I am not Chattel.

I am "the people."

Should we not have the right to issue our own money?

If I trade a pig for six chickens or work in exchange for room and board why should I ever have pay tax to the corporation of the United States of America?

If I don't use their Federal reserve notes for exchange do you think they will come and insist that I do?

Or will they want one or two of my chickens for tax?




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Thu 07/19/12 10:50 AM
Good luck using chickens to pay for your electric bill.

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Thu 07/19/12 10:55 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 10:56 AM

Good luck using chickens to pay for your electric bill.


Not the point Chaster.

oops....Chazster

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Thu 07/19/12 10:57 AM
Imagine a world without paper money.

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Thu 07/19/12 11:02 AM

Imagine a world without paper money.

Yea it wouldn't work.

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Thu 07/19/12 11:15 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 11:16 AM


Imagine a world without paper money.

Yea it wouldn't work.


It will not only work, we are headed in that direction.

It will soon all be credit. Numbers in a computer.

I buy, sell, and spend every day all over the world and I never have to touch any paper money.


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Thu 07/19/12 11:24 AM



Imagine a world without paper money.

Yea it wouldn't work.


It will not only work, we are headed in that direction.

It will soon all be credit. Numbers in a computer.

I buy, sell, and spend every day all over the world and I never have to touch any paper money.



I thought you meant barter. Yes abstract electronic money is fine.

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Thu 07/19/12 11:29 AM
http://mises.org/daily/6088/Why-Gold


http://mises.org/daily/6065/The-Fiasco-of-Fiat-Money

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Thu 07/19/12 11:52 AM
What about the chickens? what


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Thu 07/19/12 12:19 PM
There was a group about 20 years ago that tried a barter system.
Wound up failing.

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Thu 07/19/12 01:05 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 01:07 PM

There was a group about 20 years ago that tried a barter system.
Wound up failing.


There are still many barter systems in operation via the Internet.

The liberty dollar failed because it was raided by the Cabal's henchmen.


(Wiki)

The Liberty Dollar (ALD) was a private currency produced in the United States. The currency was issued in minted metal rounds (i.e. coins), gold and silver certificates and electronic currency (eLD).

ALD certificates are "warehouse receipts" for real gold and silver owned by the bearer. According to court documents there were about 250,000 holders of Liberty Dollar certificates.[1] The metal was warehoused at Sunshine Minting in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, prior to a November 2007 raid by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Secret Service.[2] Until July 2009, the Liberty Dollar was distributed by Liberty Services (formerly known as "National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Code" (NORFED), based in Evansville, Indiana.

It was created by Bernard von NotHaus, the co-founder of the Royal Hawaiian Mint Company.[3] In May 2009, von NotHaus and others were charged with federal crimes in connection with the Liberty Dollar and, on July 31, 2009, von NotHaus announced that he had closed the Liberty Dollar operation, pending resolution of the criminal charges.[4] On March 18, 2011, von NotHaus was pronounced guilty on various counts, including the making of counterfeit coins.

Exchange service
From 1998 to July 2009, Liberty Services exchanged Federal Reserve Notes (US dollars) for silver Liberty Dollars (and later gold and copper).

Currency reform
Liberty Services' original name was "National Organization for the Repeal of the Federal Reserve and the Internal Revenue Code" (NORFED). Since its founding, the organization asserted that the Federal Reserve was unconstitutional and harmful. The company is now in a series of legal battles both defending their exchange service and challenging exclusivity assertions made by the US Mint (see Legal issues).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_Dollar

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Thu 07/19/12 01:15 PM
The promoter of the Liberty Dollar asserts that Claudia Dickens, spokeswoman for the U.S. Treasury Department's Bureau of Engraving and Printing, had previously said American Liberty Currency is legitimate. Dickens was quoted as having said "There's nothing illegal about this", after the Treasury Department's legal team reviewed the currency. "As long as it doesn't say 'legal tender' there's nothing wrong with it."[13]

In 2006 the U.S. Mint issued a press release stating that prosecutors at the Justice Department had determined that using Liberty Dollars as circulating money is a federal crime. The press release also stated that the "Liberty Dollars" are meant to compete with the circulating coinage (currency) of the United States and such competition consequently is a criminal act.[14] The Justice Department also stated that the Liberty Dollar was confusingly similar to actual U.S. currency, and the language used on NORFED's website was deceptive.[15]

The Liberty Dollar organization responded to the Mint's press release by stating that "[t]he Liberty Dollar never has claimed to be, does not claim to be, is not, and does not purport to be, legal tender."[16] The promoters of the Liberty Dollar have asserted that the Liberty Dollar is not legal tender, and that legal tender and barter are mutually exclusive concepts. The promoter asserts that the Liberty Dollar is a numismatic piece or medallion which may be used voluntarily as barter.

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Thu 07/19/12 01:19 PM
laugh Typical reaction of the government......................

FBI / Secret Service raid
The Liberty Dollar offices were raided by agents of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the United States Secret Service on November 14, 2007. Bernard von NotHaus, the owner of Liberty Services, sent an email to customers and supporters saying that the FBI took all the gold, silver, and platinum, and almost two tons of Ron Paul Dollars. The FBI also seized computers and files and froze the Liberty Dollar bank accounts.[19] Von NotHaus's email linked to a signup page for a class action lawsuit so that the victims might recover their assets. At the same time, all forms on his website relating to purchases of Liberty Dollars became nonfunctional.

Copies of the email and the warrant documents have been posted to the website.[20] The seizure warrant was issued for money laundering, mail fraud, wire fraud, counterfeiting, and conspiracy.[21][22]

The local Evansville Courier & Press reported the email, stating that "FBI Agent Wendy Osborne, a spokeswoman for the FBI's Indianapolis office, directed all questions on the raid to the Western District of North Carolina U.S. Attorney's Office. A spokeswoman there said she had no information on the investigation. Bernard von NotHaus, the group's monetary architect and the author of the email, did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment."[23]

The Associated Press quoted von NotHaus on November 16, 2007, as saying that the federal government was "running scared right now and they had to do something .... I'm volunteering to meet the agents and get arrested so we can thrash this out in court."[24]

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Thu 07/19/12 01:27 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 01:27 PM
AND SO THE CORRUPT GOVERNMENT BANKSTERS STEAL THE GOLD AND SILVER OWNED BY SOMEONE ELSE.

What right do they have to do that?

The Liberty dollar was real money with real gold and silver backing it up. It is private Enterprise money.

They stole it from private citizens.

And still, we pay our income taxes which go to pay interest on Federal Reserve notes that have no value that were loaned to America by the Federal Reserve Bank who has no gold or silver to back them up.

They, the corporation so-called "government" are the criminals and the thieves.




Conviction

On March 18, 2011, Von NotHaus was convicted of "making, possessing and selling his own coins", after a jury in Statesville, North Carolina deliberated for less than two hours.[27] The jury found him guilty of one count under 18 U.S.C. § 485 and 18 U.S.C. § 2, one count of violating 18 U.S.C. § 486 and 18 U.S.C. § 2, and one count of conspiracy, under 18 U.S.C. § 371, to violate sections 485 and 486.[28] He faces up to 15 years in jail, a $250,000 fine, and may be forced to give $7 million worth of minted coins and precious metals to the government, weighing 16,000 pounds.[27] Attorney for the Western District of North Carolina, Anne M. Tompkins, described the Liberty Dollar as "a unique form of domestic terrorism" that is trying "to undermine the legitimate currency of this country".[29] The Justice Department press release quotes her as saying: "While these forms of anti-government activities do not involve violence, they are every bit as insidious and represent a clear and present danger to the economic stability of this country."[29]

According to the Associated Press, "Federal prosecutors successfully argued that von NotHaus was, in fact, trying to pass off the silver coins as U.S. currency. Coming in denominations of 5, 10, 20, and 50, the Liberty Dollars also featured a dollar sign, the word "dollar" and the motto "Trust in God," similar to the "In God We Trust" that appears on U.S. coins".[30] VonNotHaus's attorney is appealing the decision and the arguments made by the prosecution in the case. Dollar, for example, is a term used by many nations for their currency and has a Czech, not American, origin.

Forfeiture trial

The forfeiture trial was scheduled to resume Monday April 4, 2011. Federal prosecutors were seeking to take roughly $7 million worth or five tons in Liberty Dollars minted in gold and silver seized in 2007 from a warehouse by the FBI.

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Thu 07/19/12 01:41 PM
kinda along the lines of 1950s war bonds lol yessss fascisim you can vote for woooopitchfork

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Thu 07/19/12 01:52 PM
So why should any living person respect the so-called "laws" of a political system when it is broken and corrupt and has been for a long time?

We are living within a corporate system that is dedicated to making a profit off of our backs.

In Colorado, Doug succeeded in passing a law that any new taxes have to be voted on by the citizens and our governor then imposes (triples) taxes on car licences by calling them "fees."

And what are "fees" if not a tax?

Then they also impose fines. What are fines if not a tax?

Every where we turn there is a fee, a fine, or a tax that takes money from our pockets and puts it into theirs.

People who protest, or attempt to create real money for commerce that they don't have to borrow from the FED and pay interest on, are arrested, charged and robbed!

I as a single person, not wealthy at all, can't do much. But I can make a website. I can do little things to protest these injustices and I can borrow less, spend less and barter more.

chip chip chip... in little ways I can fight against tyranny.

We outnumber them, remember that.






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Thu 07/19/12 02:03 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 07/19/12 02:03 PM


Thursday, June 18, 2009

Effective July 1, 2009, a new State law will begin increasing Colorado's motor vehicle registration fees over a three-year period. The new fees will be based on a vehicle’s weight and are in addition to all other registration fees.

Vehicle registration fees will increase each year by the following amounts: (not include in this post)
http://www.bouldercounty.org/apps/newsroom/templates/bc12.aspx?articleid=1714&zoneid=1


The new law already requires Colorado residents to pay an additional $25 each month they are late to register their vehicle. Late fees may not exceed $100. Permits are also subject to late fees.

The registration fees and late fee increases are mandated by the FASTER bill (Senate Bill 09-108), which Colorado Governor Bill Ritter signed into law on Monday, March 2.

For complete details on the bill, visit Senate Bill 09-108. All funds generated from the fees will be used to maintain Colorado roads and bridges.