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I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite. If you agree then why do you claim Jesus is God? Jesus (in his own words) is both begining and end... Yet God is has no begining or end. Jesus has no beginning or end, well the Word has no beginning and no end. And Jesus is the Word in the flesh, in the form of a servant. John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God has always been, there is no time before God. Thus he is the beginning and the end. Because there is no before and no after. That statement does not mean he has an origin point, just means there was nothing before God because there was no before God. You quoted " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." You read the words but understanding escapes you (the Circle of the Snake - the temporal loop blinds you)... For though the Word is God... God is NOT the Word. God is greater than all things man. Word is a form of Man. Image of... But Not God. Do what Adventure? You totally escaped me there. There was not even any mention of man. The Word is not "man". |
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I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. Jesus went to his father. From the wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel Immanuel (or Emmanuel or Imanu'el, Hebrew עִמָּנוּאֵל meaning "God is with us") is a symbolic name which appears in chapters 7 and 8 of the Book of Isaiah as part of a prophecy assuring king Ahaz of Judah of God's protection against enemy kings; it is quoted in the Gospel of Matthew as a sign verifying the divine status of Jesus. It is a theophoric (a name which contains the name of a god) made up of two Hebrew words, אֵל, ’El, meaning "God", and עִמָּנוּ, ʻImmānū, meaning "with us". God is with us is not Jesus. (rather it springs from the Advent of Jesus) Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Jesus is the Alpha of the Cycle of Glory and the Omega of the Cycle of Adam. God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) If you place Jesus in the portion of reality that is Gods alone you are blind to any truth outside the Circle of the Snake. You will know neither 'heaven' nor 'hell' both of which are also outside the Circle of the Snake. It is a temporal loop. Immanuel (as fortold by Isaiah) is not a man... It is a concept. For God is indeed with us. He walks with us each one. Evidence of this please? Because after that it speaks of "Jesus/Immanuel" as if he/it was a man. Please give some evidence that it's just a "concept". God is eternal and has neither Alpha nor Omega. Infinite has no begining or end... Begining signifies a non infinite start. End signifies a non infinite stop. God by the very nature of God is eternal (infinite) Absolutely true, God has no beginning nor end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God and there will be no after God. Alpha - The first one; the beginning There was no time before God, he is the beginning of everything. He has no starting point, he's eternal. Always has been and always will be. Omega - the ending or last of a series There is no after God. There will be nothing after God, for there is no after God. Thus he is the end. Infinate - niether begining nor end. God is. There is no begining to IS. "Alpha - The first one; the beginning" Indeed... Adam is the begining of the Cycle of Adam - Christ is the end of that cycle (yet God created it). "Omega - the ending or last of a series" Indeed. The Cycle of Adam ended at the Advent of Christ... Which brought also the Path to Glory for the Human race (yet Glory comes from God which is greater than all the Cycles of Man) Cycles are a thing that mankind is subject to. God is not subject to the word tools mankind uses to explain that which it can not understand. Step away from the Circle of the Snake. God move even beyond the Chaos (for God is Greater than the Abyss and Greater than the Chaos that exists beyond the Abyss) God is Absolute (which is greater than either begining or end - having neither in its makeup) Absolutely, infinite is no beginning nor an end. Just as God. God has no beginning nor any end. Thus he IS the beginning and the end. There is no before God, nor is there an after God. That's not saying God has a beginning or an end. Just that there is no before God, nor is there an after God, thus infinite. If you agree then why do you claim Jesus is God? Jesus (in his own words) is both begining and end... Yet God is has no begining or end. Jesus has no beginning or end, well the Word has no beginning and no end. And Jesus is the Word in the flesh, in the form of a servant. John 1:1 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. God has always been, there is no time before God. Thus he is the beginning and the end. Because there is no before and no after. That statement does not mean he has an origin point, just means there was nothing before God because there was no before God. You quoted " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." You read the words but understanding escapes you (the Circle of the Snake - the temporal loop blinds you)... For though the Word is God... God is NOT the Word. God is greater than all things man. Word is a form of Man. Image of... But Not God. Do what Adventure? You totally escaped me there. There was not even any mention of man. The Word is not "man". 'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). Jesus did not walk with Adam you claim? Hmm, lets have a look at this. ------------------------ Genesis 2:4 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens Hmm, this first verse posted has Jesus in reference to the creation of everything eg., "LORD God". -------------------------- Genesis 2:7 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This verse show Jesus eg., LORD God making man eg., Adam. -------------------------- Genesis 2:16 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: This specifically states Jesus eg., LORD God speaking directly to the man eg., Adam. |
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I can't believe this thread flipped from argument power over out of context OP. Yeah, the words were as written, but you had the read the whole chapter to get an inkling of the context. Much like Salmon Rushdie book on Islam, "Satanic verses." The Bible has them too if you don't understand what you are reading. My 2 cents worth. Absolutely true. This is where all the supposedly contradicitons come from as well. They read one verse, then go with it and not pay attention to the surrounding verses. Cowboy the contradictions come from the snake. Some people follow the allure of the snake that eats its own tail and so miss the Majestic Wonder that is the Reality that is God. I give you example from your own words. "True, God has no ending. That is why he is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. There is no before God and will be no after God. " This is the reasoning warned of by the symbol of the Snake that Eats its Own Tail. Following such reasoning leads to a Temporal Loop of endless duration (it has no exit point, nor does it reach to the world beyond the circle contained by the body of the snake. Jesus is the Alpha and Omega within the cycle of man. Alpha of the Cycle of Glory, Omega of the Cycle of Adam. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. God is outside the cycle. God Is. There is no begining or end to God. God just IS. If you can not understand that concept then you will be trapped forever in the Circle of the Snake. Allways seeking the Forgivness of Christ for the wispering of the Snake in the Garden. Yet all you need do is accept the Grace Given by God through Christ... and step out of the circle. If you place Jesus in the position of God you envoke the Snake. I placed Jesus in no position. He was God before I was even thought of. Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. Isaiah 9:6 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. John 20:28 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Emmanuel means LIGHT is with us. If you believe that Jesus was as is God then you indeed listen to the wispering of the Snake. but I have spoken to you many times of the Temporal Loop that you are trapped within... Jesus went unto God. In the Glory of God you will find him. If you look for him where was the snake you will find naught but the snake. According to St Augustine and the other church fathers (orthodox and Catholic), what Cowboy said is correct. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). Jesus did not walk with Adam you claim? Hmm, lets have a look at this. ------------------------ Genesis 2:4 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens Hmm, this first verse posted has Jesus in reference to the creation of everything eg., "LORD God". -------------------------- Genesis 2:7 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This verse show Jesus eg., LORD God making man eg., Adam. -------------------------- Genesis 2:16 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: This specifically states Jesus eg., LORD God speaking directly to the man eg., Adam. As long as you follow the 'loop' of this reasoning... The Snake will attempt to eat its tail in vain... It is a temporal loop. Jesus was not until born of Woman. Adam was not until breathed into being by God. Without Eve the line that led to Mary, Mother of Jesus would be not. Jesus did not walk the earth in the Time of the Advent of Adam. (for Jesus is the Omega of Adam). If you attempt to place Jesus at Adam you create a Temporal Loop from which there is no escaping... Pergatory. Neither Heaven nor Hell exists within that loop. There is no Grace when you continue to return to Adam looking for it. Rather than sup the Last Supper you again Sup the First Feast (and it fills you not but leaves hunger). |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). Jesus did not walk with Adam you claim? Hmm, lets have a look at this. ------------------------ Genesis 2:4 4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens Hmm, this first verse posted has Jesus in reference to the creation of everything eg., "LORD God". -------------------------- Genesis 2:7 7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. This verse show Jesus eg., LORD God making man eg., Adam. -------------------------- Genesis 2:16 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: This specifically states Jesus eg., LORD God speaking directly to the man eg., Adam. As long as you follow the 'loop' of this reasoning... The Snake will attempt to eat its tail in vain... It is a temporal loop. Jesus was not until born of Woman. Adam was not until breathed into being by God. Without Eve the line that led to Mary, Mother of Jesus would be not. Jesus did not walk the earth in the Time of the Advent of Adam. (for Jesus is the Omega of Adam). If you attempt to place Jesus at Adam you create a Temporal Loop from which there is no escaping... Pergatory. Neither Heaven nor Hell exists within that loop. There is no Grace when you continue to return to Adam looking for it. Rather than sup the Last Supper you again Sup the First Feast (and it fills you not but leaves hunger). Jesus was not until born of Woman Correct and incorrect. The exact physical being of "Jesus" was not until born of woman, yes. But we are not of this flesh, this flesh is merely temporary. Jesus is God, the Word in the flesh. The Word was not created, has no starting point. Thus "Jesus" has no starting point and is eternal. Adam was not until breathed into being by God. Yes Adam was not until breathed into being by LORD God, Jesus Christ. Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Jesus did not walk the earth in the Time of the Advent of Adam. (for Jesus is the Omega of Adam). Ah, but he did. Again LORD God is in reference to the only LORD there is, Jesus Christ. He created Adam. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. The Word is not man. First off, just wanted to say no the Word is not man. The word eg., the LORD God took on the FORM of a man, humbling himself not making anything of himself taking on the form of a servant. Secondly, please keep in mind the context of how these verses of what Jesus said. He says the LORD Thy God, or in how we speak now the LORD "your" God. And when he speaks of his father, he NEVER speaks of his father as "our" God. Only refers to him as HIS God. And as I've showed previously a while ago the word "God" means figure of authority. Thus his father has authority over him and is why Jesus always did the will of the father, willingly of course out of love. But nevertheless it is because his father had/has authority over him. And Jesus has authority over US thus why he is referred to as "thy/your" God. "God" is not denoted to a being in specifics, it's not a type of being with super powers. It's a person in authority. Again, thus we have "thy" Gods. And is why we are referred to as "Gods", for we have been given dominion over the bests of this world. Thus we are their gods and is why Jesus is our God and is his father is his God. But yet there is only one God. Because bottom line God the father has authority over EVERYTHING, thus there is one God. And is why Jesus is the God amongst Gods. Psalm 82:1 82 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Each thing you quote is a thing from the old testement. Jesus came so that the covenant be fulfilled and the Word made flesh. Jesus was not in the old testement. His mother had not yet been born. You are still following the Temporal Loop. Jesus is not God. God has no end. Jesus rests in Glory. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Each thing you quote is a thing from the old testement. Jesus came so that the covenant be fulfilled and the Word made flesh. Jesus was not in the old testement. His mother had not yet been born. You are still following the Temporal Loop. Jesus is not God. God has no end. Jesus rests in Glory. There is no "and" the word made flesh. Jesus IS the Word made flesh. Jesus is the Word/LORD God, in the flesh, when he came and dwelt among us. He came and dwelt among us to fulfill the old covenant and give us the new in it's place. John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And again to show who is in reference here of being "the only begotten of the father" The following verse is in reference to Jesus when he was baptized. Matthew 3:17 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Each thing you quote is a thing from the old testement. Jesus came so that the covenant be fulfilled and the Word made flesh. Jesus was not in the old testement. His mother had not yet been born. You are still following the Temporal Loop. Jesus is not God. God has no end. Jesus rests in Glory. Jesus has no end, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. Howso you say he rests in glory? He rose from the grave the third day as prophesied and returned to Heaven to sit at the right hand of his father. Jesus doesn't rest, he works everyday, miracles for each and everyone of us everyday. All the glory goes to God eg., Jesus. |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Each thing you quote is a thing from the old testement. Jesus came so that the covenant be fulfilled and the Word made flesh. Jesus was not in the old testement. His mother had not yet been born. You are still following the Temporal Loop. Jesus is not God. God has no end. Jesus rests in Glory. Jesus has no end, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. Howso you say he rests in glory? He rose from the grave the third day as prophesied and returned to Heaven to sit at the right hand of his father. Jesus doesn't rest, he works everyday, miracles for each and everyone of us everyday. All the glory goes to God eg., Jesus. The specific term "Word" in the scriptures here of what we're talking about comes from the word "logos". Here is a statement from the wikipedia explaining why the term "word" was used when translating from "logos". Things are not always meaning their technical terms such as the term "word". That is not in reference to a thing as this message is made of. Philo of Alexandria Philo (20 BC – 50 AD), a Hellenized Jew, used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[6] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect idea, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[27] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo "the first-born of God."[27] Philo also wrote that "the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated."[28] The Platonic Ideas were located within the Logos, but the Logos also acted on behalf of God in the physical world.[27] In particular, the Angel of the Lord in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) was identified with the Logos by Philo, who also said that the Logos was God's instrument in the creation of the universe.[27] |
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'Word' is a tool of man. The Word is not man. Yet God is not the Word (being greater than any tool of man). The 'Word' is mans imperfect intrepretation of the unknowable essence of God. Claiming the 'Word' is God is indeed a truth... By the understanding of Men it is so. Claiming that God is the Word is not so. God is greater than any small understanding of men (even if that man be John-that-walked-with-Jesus). You assert that God is the same as the Word... John did not so claim. Jesus did not walk with Adam. Claiming such a falseness opens the door for your soul to wander forever between Adam and Jesus in a circle (allways eating your tail, never knowing fullness from the meal)... Never knowing God, never finding closness with him (yet ever chasing in the shadow of his word upon the earth). "Words" are a tool of man. But you're taking this specific "word" out of context here. It is a proper noun. It is a name/title. It is not a common noun such as the term for referring to what this message is made of eg., "words". Perhaps I am. Or perhaps you have taken that word out of context. John-that-walked-with-Jesus did not claim that God was the Word... Only that the Word is God... Which is true of all things. He did make the claim of Jesus being the Word. John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. And you may say this does not reference Jesus, only references the ONLY begotten of the father. Well if he is the ONLY begotten of the father, the following verse explains who the John verse is in reference to. Matthew 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. For the poster that claims cowboy to be right. St. Augustine is a man and subject to the same folly as any other man. The Council of Nicea was a council of men (and subject to the folly of an Emperor and the pain of the sword). Jesus was not at the time of Adam. Jesus is not God. John did claim that Jesus was the Word (indeed he was the Word made flesh). John-that-walked-with-Jesus also claimed that the Word was God (indeed this is so)... However John-that-walked-with-Jesus NEVER claimed that God was the Word (to have done so would have limited God). Cowboy you use words written three hundred years after the Advent of Christ to attempt to prove that words written CENTURIES before the Advent of Christ reference Christ. Words are a tool of man. 'The Word' is merely a tool with more 'emphasis', yet still a tool of man. Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Jesus did not breath Jesus into being. God did (by the Well of Life and the Person of Mary). Jesus did not speak from on high and claim that he was his only son. God did. Yet you (and indeed many others) can not see this for the Circle of the Snake (and the accumulated Dust of Many that have walked upon the Word and left behind their inturpretation to confuse the unwary). Enjoy your pergatory. I have seen beyond the thin viel (indeed so also have many others). Thou shalt place NO God before me... (is this not said plainly)... Why then would you place Jesus before God. In that day where the Advent of Jesus graced the Earth the Cycle of Adam ended and the Word became Flesh. In this day after the Advent of Jesus the Cycle of Glory began. and the Word ascended unto the Heavens. And the Glory of God became flesh and walked the Earth (as the Word did in the Time of Jesus). Follow the path. You will find a truth beyond that which you have absorbed from men (with their limited understanding). Jesus did not breath Adam into being. God did. Ah, your comment is a contradiction in it's own. Jesus is God. LORD God breathed Adam into being, Jesus is our LORD God. All the following verses is "Jesus" speaking, our "LORD God". Weather you wish to put merit to the words is a different story. Exodus 20:2 2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Leviticus 26:13 13 I am the Lord your God, which brought you forth out of the land of Egypt, that ye should not be their bondmen; and I have broken the bands of your yoke, and made you go upright. Psalm 81:10 10 I am the Lord thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it Hosea 13:4 4 Yet I am the Lord thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me. Each thing you quote is a thing from the old testement. Jesus came so that the covenant be fulfilled and the Word made flesh. Jesus was not in the old testement. His mother had not yet been born. You are still following the Temporal Loop. Jesus is not God. God has no end. Jesus rests in Glory. Jesus has no end, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. Howso you say he rests in glory? He rose from the grave the third day as prophesied and returned to Heaven to sit at the right hand of his father. Jesus doesn't rest, he works everyday, miracles for each and everyone of us everyday. All the glory goes to God eg., Jesus. The specific term "Word" in the scriptures here of what we're talking about comes from the word "logos". Here is a statement from the wikipedia explaining why the term "word" was used when translating from "logos". Things are not always meaning their technical terms such as the term "word". That is not in reference to a thing as this message is made of. Philo of Alexandria Philo (20 BC – 50 AD), a Hellenized Jew, used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[6] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect idea, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[27] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo "the first-born of God."[27] Philo also wrote that "the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated."[28] The Platonic Ideas were located within the Logos, but the Logos also acted on behalf of God in the physical world.[27] In particular, the Angel of the Lord in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) was identified with the Logos by Philo, who also said that the Logos was God's instrument in the creation of the universe.[27] The translation of "divine being" makes much more sense of the verses John 1:1-1:3. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God. In the original language it would read Logos was God and Logos was with God. Or we would have the divine being was with God and the divine being was God. |
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Jesus has no end, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. Howso you say he rests in glory? He rose from the grave the third day as prophesied and returned to Heaven to sit at the right hand of his father. Jesus doesn't rest, he works everyday, miracles for each and everyone of us everyday. All the glory goes to God eg., Jesus. The specific term "Word" in the scriptures here of what we're talking about comes from the word "logos". Here is a statement from the wikipedia explaining why the term "word" was used when translating from "logos". Things are not always meaning their technical terms such as the term "word". That is not in reference to a thing as this message is made of. Philo of Alexandria Philo (20 BC – 50 AD), a Hellenized Jew, used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[6] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect idea, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[27] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo "the first-born of God."[27] Philo also wrote that "the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated."[28] The Platonic Ideas were located within the Logos, but the Logos also acted on behalf of God in the physical world.[27] In particular, the Angel of the Lord in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) was identified with the Logos by Philo, who also said that the Logos was God's instrument in the creation of the universe.[27] The translation of "divine being" makes much more sense of the verses John 1:1-1:3. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God. In the original language it would read Logos was God and Logos was with God. Or we would have the divine being was with God and the divine being was God. Which would make sense and explain it all and how Jesus is our God and he refers to his father as his God. The bible throughout refers to three different "persons" the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost eg., three persons as one "god". Thus we have the Divine being was with God, Jesus was with God. The divine being was God, Jesus was God. |
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Jesus has no end, he is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. Howso you say he rests in glory? He rose from the grave the third day as prophesied and returned to Heaven to sit at the right hand of his father. Jesus doesn't rest, he works everyday, miracles for each and everyone of us everyday. All the glory goes to God eg., Jesus. The specific term "Word" in the scriptures here of what we're talking about comes from the word "logos". Here is a statement from the wikipedia explaining why the term "word" was used when translating from "logos". Things are not always meaning their technical terms such as the term "word". That is not in reference to a thing as this message is made of. Philo of Alexandria Philo (20 BC – 50 AD), a Hellenized Jew, used the term Logos to mean an intermediary divine being, or demiurge.[6] Philo followed the Platonic distinction between imperfect matter and perfect idea, and therefore intermediary beings were necessary to bridge the enormous gap between God and the material world.[27] The Logos was the highest of these intermediary beings, and was called by Philo "the first-born of God."[27] Philo also wrote that "the Logos of the living God is the bond of everything, holding all things together and binding all the parts, and prevents them from being dissolved and separated."[28] The Platonic Ideas were located within the Logos, but the Logos also acted on behalf of God in the physical world.[27] In particular, the Angel of the Lord in the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) was identified with the Logos by Philo, who also said that the Logos was God's instrument in the creation of the universe.[27] The translation of "divine being" makes much more sense of the verses John 1:1-1:3. In the beginning was the Word and the Word was God and the Word was with God. In the original language it would read Logos was God and Logos was with God. Or we would have the divine being was with God and the divine being was God. Which would make sense and explain it all and how Jesus is our God and he refers to his father as his God. The bible throughout refers to three different "persons" the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost eg., three persons as one "god". Thus we have the Divine being was with God, Jesus was with God. The divine being was God, Jesus was God. One last post on this revelation lol. So by definition, it's saying "The divine being was authority and the divine being was with authority." eg., "Jesus was authority and Jesus was with authority, thus Jesus's father is Jesus' authority, thus Jesus' father is his God. And Jesus is our authority, Jesus is our God. lol ok, I'm done for now >.< |
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