Topic: P.R.I.S.O.N INC.
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Tue 06/12/12 12:07 PM


I love the idea of private prisons. I just think that most people who currently go to prison, shouldn't. What good is it to send a man to prison for non-payment of child support? Now, not only does the child not get the child support, but a citizen loses his job and the child loses his father. How about the prostitute who is simply trying to feed her drug habit? Should she have her freedom taken away for charging a fee for something she can give away freely? Why are drugs still illegal in the most free country in the world? Why do we lock up people simply because they want to put poison into their bodies? Violent / sex crimes and repeat offenders deserve prison time, all other crimes should be punished with community service.

I favor private prisons, because they can be run more cheaply and humanely and most importantly, there is less chance of corruption. Inmates are abused by guards in public prisons and they rarely have any recourse. With a private prison, the inmates can complain to the controlling Government authority and expect a rapid response.


Having worked for a state run prison I can tell you do not know what you are talking about. Inmates have too many rights while being incarcerated as far as I'm concerned. Here is something to think about and it is an absolute truth, if an inmate runs out of his/her cell and punches you then runs back into his/her cell and sits or lays down you as an officer cannot lay a finger on them. It goes so far that other officers must come remove the inmate from the cell and move them. If you retaliate, the inmate will sue you, the warden, the prison and the state. Its happened and the courts sided with the inmates because they are imprisoned 24 hrs a day and have no escape from their reality.


I have a close friend who worked in a prison. She told me what the prisons are like and how the inmates are treated. "Snitches get stitches". Those who are in protective custody, because they reported on another inmate, are in turn mistreated by the guards. Their food will sometimes be dropped on the floor and they have to eat it or go hungry. Overall, prisoner healthcare is so bad, it's rare to see anyone who has been an inmate for a long time who has all their teeth. She said they will go six months or more with a toothache, because they just won't get treated.

You have your anecdotes and she has hers, you'll have to pardon me for accepting hers as the gospel truth.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:09 PM





I love the idea of private prisons. I just think that most people who currently go to prison, shouldn't. What good is it to send a man to prison for non-payment of child support? Now, not only does the child not get the child support, but a citizen loses his job and the child loses his father. How about the prostitute who is simply trying to feed her drug habit? Should she have her freedom taken away for charging a fee for something she can give away freely? Why are drugs still illegal in the most free country in the world? Why do we lock up people simply because they want to put poison into their bodies? Violent / sex crimes and repeat offenders deserve prison time, all other crimes should be punished with community service.

I favor private prisons, because they can be run more cheaply and humanely and most importantly, there is less chance of corruption. Inmates are abused by guards in public prisons and they rarely have any recourse. With a private prison, the inmates can complain to the controlling Government authority and expect a rapid response.


It's a system set up to profit off other humans...
that makes it inappropriate.


Should we close down private schools, hospitals and grocery stores?

As I see it, private prisons provide a public service. I don't see how a private prison is any different from a public prison, except for the possible cost savings, the better conditions and the legal recourses available to the inmates for abusive guards.


Actually yes...the education system is corrupt.
The medical establishment is corrupt.
The majority of our food is poison and
even that system is corrupt.
Yep, shut it all down, start over.


A fish rots from the head. Our Government, which tells us every day that we should eat a high carb / low fat diet is killing us. Our Government prevents us from having potentially life saving drugs, while driving up the cost of the drugs that are available. Our Government makes deals with Public School unions, which protects them from being fired and gives them huge pensions and enviable benefits, even when they commit horrible crimes and also keeps bad teachers on the job and doesn't reward good teachers. There are firemen who can retire at 50 with full benefits and 90% of their salary AND WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT!

But if we take away the hospitals, schools and grocery stores, do you worry about the millions who will suffer and die? What about the people who WANT private education or need medical attention or want to eat junk food? Do their rights count for nothing? Wouldn't it make more sense to cut back the Government to the constitutionally mandated powers and leave the rest for the people to decide?


I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!
Any system that profits off their fellow humans will fail
including the government.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:12 PM

Because the inmates have no protection from the government on how they are treated. Also because the more prisoners they have the more they get paid therefore, they have no problem arresting you and tossing you in prison because its just good business.

And the tax payers end up paying the government who pays the prisons.

Eventually the prisoners will be used for cheap labor. Rounding up and arresting people and convicting them and putting them in prison is just another way of collecting (legally) HUMAN SLAVES.

Then, because prisoners work for very little or nothing, there will be less or no jobs for people outside.

If you can't see the problem with this you need to think on it a little more.


That is incredibly irrational.

The Government would have NO incentive to put innocent people into prison. So why would they get rounded up? Do you imagine that the Government would allow the prison to send out teams of man-catchers who illegally arrest and enslave people? While that might make a workable B-movie plot, it's just not possible in a democracy. Also, states can write the prison labor laws, not the private prisons. So if the state says that prisoners can't be used for for-profit labor, they can't be. Your whole scenario reeks of desperation to find a reason to oppose private prisons, but there is no rational intellectual basis on which to base your objections.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:15 PM
Edited by Spidercmb on Tue 06/12/12 12:19 PM

I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!
Any system that profits off their fellow humans will fail
including the government.


You know that, because you know me so well. We've had so many long deep discussions of politics, economics and religion, right?

whoa

I see a lot of the same problems as you, just because my solutions aren't your solution doesn't make me a bad or insensitive or unknowledgeable person. You need to open your mind and stop judging people.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:18 PM


I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!
Any system that profits off their fellow humans will fail
including the government.


You know that, because you know me so well. We've had so many long deep discussions of politics, economics and religion, right?

whoa

I see a lot of the same problems as you, just because my solutions aren't your solution doesn't make me a bad or insensitive or knowledgeable person. You need to open your mind and stop judging people.


laugh open my mind and stop judging...

I think you took that VERY personal.

You asked if "i care about the millions"

ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:22 PM


Because the inmates have no protection from the government on how they are treated. Also because the more prisoners they have the more they get paid therefore, they have no problem arresting you and tossing you in prison because its just good business.

And the tax payers end up paying the government who pays the prisons.

Eventually the prisoners will be used for cheap labor. Rounding up and arresting people and convicting them and putting them in prison is just another way of collecting (legally) HUMAN SLAVES.

Then, because prisoners work for very little or nothing, there will be less or no jobs for people outside.

If you can't see the problem with this you need to think on it a little more.


That is incredibly irrational.

The Government would have NO incentive to put innocent people into prison. So why would they get rounded up? Do you imagine that the Government would allow the prison to send out teams of man-catchers who illegally arrest and enslave people? While that might make a workable B-movie plot, it's just not possible in a democracy. Also, states can write the prison labor laws, not the private prisons. So if the state says that prisoners can't be used for for-profit labor, they can't be. Your whole scenario reeks of desperation to find a reason to oppose private prisons, but there is no rational intellectual basis on which to base your objections.


The only way to help pay for the private prisons, other than sucking the money from taxpayers, is to run them as "for profit" work camps.

Because there are more and more laws passed every day to rob people of ordinary freedom, there will be more and more law breakers. Hence they by law will not be arresting "innocent people." They will be arresting law breakers.

When people begin to protest an oppressive corrupt government who can and will arrest anyone they want if they call them a "terrorist" or if they own a gun, or if they are thought of as a "threat to national security" or any other paranoid reason, any who are even peaceful protesters will be rounded up and thrown in prisons.

When the people of America decide that their government is corrupt it is their duty to over throw it, so says the Constitution. When the government decides that state militias are "terrorists" there will be civil war and people with guns will be rounded up.

When it becomes normal routine for your doctor to ask you if you have any guns in the house, you will know that big brother is making a list.




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Tue 06/12/12 12:26 PM

I think you took that VERY personal.


Can you explain to me how "I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!" isn't a comment on my person?

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Tue 06/12/12 12:27 PM

The only way to help pay for the private prisons, other than sucking the money from taxpayers, is to run them as "for profit" work camps.


Private prisons are run through taxpayer dollars. They are contracted by the Government. The prisoners aren't slaves, they aren't forced into labor, they are still protected by the law and private prisons are held to a higher standard of treatment of the inmates than public prisons.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:29 PM


I think you took that VERY personal.


Can you explain to me how "I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!" isn't a comment on my person?


"do you care about the millions"

Seems you wondered if i cared..

I won't leave flowers this time.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:31 PM



I think you took that VERY personal.


Can you explain to me how "I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!" isn't a comment on my person?


"do you care about the millions"

Seems you wondered if i cared..

I won't leave flowers this time.


I get it, I asked a question and you get the right to smear my character. whoa

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Tue 06/12/12 12:34 PM




I think you took that VERY personal.


Can you explain to me how "I worry about humanity in ways you could never understand!" isn't a comment on my person?


"do you care about the millions"

Seems you wondered if i cared..

I won't leave flowers this time.


I get it, I asked a question and you get the right to smear my character. whoa


How does me saying YOU couldn't understand ME smearing you.
Get over yourself, jesus!

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Tue 06/12/12 12:35 PM


The only way to help pay for the private prisons, other than sucking the money from taxpayers, is to run them as "for profit" work camps.


Private prisons are run through taxpayer dollars. They are contracted by the Government. The prisoners aren't slaves, they aren't forced into labor, they are still protected by the law and private prisons are held to a higher standard of treatment of the inmates than public prisons.


That may be what appears to be going on currently, but we are talking about the future.

With more private prisons coming, who demand a quota of prisoners, there will be more people getting sentenced to serve time in the future.

With more people in prison, and less people out side working and paying taxes, there will not be enough taxes to support the prisons and to support the elderly and also the people disabled and on welfare.

So the money for the prisons will have to be made by making them into working prisons. I'm sure a lot of that money will have to be funneled back into the government to make up for the loss of the working class who are paying taxes.

There are a lot of private prisons that have already been built that are sitting empty.


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Tue 06/12/12 12:40 PM
The money for supporting the government has to come from somewhere. If they have more prisons, and they require inmate quotas, then more people will be sent to prison. And if those prisons are supported by tax payers on the outside, there will soon not be enough money to go around, so the government will demand taxes from the prison's who are making money from working their inmate slaves.

The prisons take on the roll of the large corporations. Cheap labor, big profits. But they will have to kick some of that money back to the government who is providing them with workers (inmates.)


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Tue 06/12/12 12:54 PM

How does me saying YOU couldn't understand ME smearing you.


Okay, so I'm not intelligent or emotionally mature to understand you. Got it.


Get over yourself, jesus!


Oh sweet irony, thy name is Lori.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:58 PM


How does me saying YOU couldn't understand ME smearing you.


Okay, so I'm not intelligent or emotionally mature to understand you. Got it.


Get over yourself, jesus!


Oh sweet irony, thy name is Lori.


I'm going to go shopping with my son and enjoy my day.

I hope you can get over yourself and ME and have a nice day too.

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Tue 06/12/12 12:59 PM



How does me saying YOU couldn't understand ME smearing you.


Okay, so I'm not intelligent or emotionally mature to understand you. Got it.


Get over yourself, jesus!


Oh sweet irony, thy name is Lori.


I'm going to go shopping with my son and enjoy my day.

I hope you can get over yourself and ME and have a nice day too.


Don't flatter yourself, I'm having a fantastic day and you have nothing to do with it.

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Tue 06/12/12 02:39 PM

Privitization is one thing...not bad in principal, but H3LL if crony elements seek to capitalize on the backs of corrupt judges and politicians!

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Tue 06/12/12 02:56 PM




How does me saying YOU couldn't understand ME smearing you.


Okay, so I'm not intelligent or emotionally mature to understand you. Got it.


Get over yourself, jesus!


Oh sweet irony, thy name is Lori.


I'm going to go shopping with my son and enjoy my day.

I hope you can get over yourself and ME and have a nice day too.


Don't flatter yourself, I'm having a fantastic day and you have nothing to do with it.


Is it just me or does that seem a little egotistical to others as well I wonder. After all, the influence of each individual affects the society as a whole.?

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Tue 06/12/12 05:11 PM


Bored. Nice idea, those with arms band together.
However, the UN outguns us, big time and, I fear, progressives would stab us in the back to save their own hides.


I don't want to own a gun.
I'm a pacifist....

Could i still be on "your side" because we both believe in freedom..
or would you stab me in the back to save your hide because I believe differently?

On "my side", no. We are from different worlds.

I am, by nature, a protector and a Class A personality.

If, I took you under wing, you could bet your life I would protect and attempt to preserve your life. Even if, it meant losing mine in the process.

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Tue 06/12/12 06:56 PM



Bored. Nice idea, those with arms band together.
However, the UN outguns us, big time and, I fear, progressives would stab us in the back to save their own hides.


I don't want to own a gun.
I'm a pacifist....

Could i still be on "your side" because we both believe in freedom..
or would you stab me in the back to save your hide because I believe differently?

On "my side", no. We are from different worlds.

I am, by nature, a protector and a Class A personality.

If, I took you under wing, you could bet your life I would protect and attempt to preserve your life. Even if, it meant losing mine in the process.


What you would do "if"...doesn't matter.

You already said we can't be on the same side.
Even though we want the same freedom, to bad.