Topic: Shocking Conspiracy Theories That Are True
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Sat 06/02/12 04:26 PM
Most people can't resist getting the details on the latest conspiracy theories, no matter how far-fetched they may seem. At the same time, many people quickly denounce any conspiracy theory as untrue ... and sometimes as unpatriotic or just plain ridiculous.

While intelligent cynicism certainly can be healthy, though, some of the greatest discoveries of all time were initially received (often with great vitriol) as blasphemous conspiracy theories -- think of the revelation that the earth was not the center of the universe, or that the world was not flat but actually round.






Have you heard? About five decades ago the CIA gave LSD and other drugs to people, without their consent, in an attempt to develop a truth serum.


What follows are some of these most shocking modern conspiracy theories that were apparently right all along.

(Of course, the counter-claims of conspiracy theory regarding some remain open ... and who knows?)
1.
The Dreyfus Affair: In the late 1800s in France, Jewish artillery officer Alfred Dreyfus was wrongfully convicted of treason based on false government documents, and sentenced to life in prison. The French government did attempt to cover this up, but Dreyfus was eventually pardoned after the affair was made public (an act that is credited to writer Émile Zola).

2.
The Mafia: This secret crime society was virtually unknown until the 1960s, when member Joe Valachi first revealed the society's secrets to law enforcement officials.

3.
MK-ULTRA: In the 1950s to the 1970s, the CIA ran a mind-control project aimed at finding a "truth serum" to use on communist spies. Test subjects were given LSD and other drugs, often without consent, and some were tortured. At least one man, civilian biochemist Frank Olson, who was working for the government, died as a result of the experiments. The project was finally exposed after investigations by the Rockefeller Commission.

4.
Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to '70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated "Animal Farm," by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.

5.
Watergate: Republican officials spied on the Democratic National Headquarters from the Watergate Hotel in 1972. While conspiracy theories suggested underhanded dealings were taking place, it wasn't until 1974 that White House tape recordings linked President Nixon to the break-in and forced him to resign.

6.
The Tuskegee Syphilis Study: The United States Public Health Service carried out this clinical study on 400 poor, African-American men with syphilis from 1932 to 1972. During the study the men were given false and sometimes dangerous treatments, and adequate treatment was intentionally withheld so the agency could learn more about the disease. While the study was initially supposed to last just six months, it continued for 40 years. Close to 200 of the men died from syphilis or related complications by the end of the study.







Operation Northwoods was a well-orchestrated plan by top U.S. military leaders to create public support for a war against Cuba -- by carrying out acts of terrorism on U.S. soil, hijacking planes, sinking Cuban refugee boats and more.

7.
Operation Northwoods: In the early 1960s, American military leaders drafted plans to create public support for a war against Cuba, to oust Fidel Castro from power. The plans included committing acts of terrorism in U.S. cities, killing innocent people and U.S. soldiers, blowing up a U.S. ship, assassinating Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees, and hijacking planes. The plans were all approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but were reportedly rejected by the civilian leadership, then kept secret for nearly 40 years.

8.
The Iran-Contra Affair: In 1985 and '86, the White House authorized government officials to secretly trade weapons with the Israeli government in exchange for the release of U.S. hostages in Iran. The plot was uncovered by Congress in 1987.

9.
1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named "Nayirah" testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but -- despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory -- it was later discovered that the testimony was false. It was actually the creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the purpose of promoting the Gulf War.


http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm

Bestinshow's photo
Sat 06/02/12 04:32 PM
9.
1990 Testimony of Nayirah: A 15-year-old girl named "Nayirah" testified before the U.S. Congress that she had seen Iraqi soldiers pulling Kuwaiti babies from incubators, causing them to die. The testimony helped gain major public support for the 1991 Gulf War, but -- despite protests that the dispute of this story was itself a conspiracy theory -- it was later discovered that the testimony was false. It was actually the creation of public relations firm Hill & Knowlton for the purpose of promoting the Gulf War.


http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/02/28/the-9-most-shocking-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.htm

My favorite since it is rescent and was effective out right propaganda.

s1owhand's photo
Sat 06/02/12 05:29 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Sat 06/02/12 05:33 PM

"Conspiracy thinking is rooted in a desire for control and understanding, triggered by a lack of control and information, or ambiguous and unsatisfying information about big events. The authors emphasize that the public often has a lack of access to adequate information to explain historical events (a situational factor). This can be coupled with what has been called a “crippled epistemology” – a tendency to utilize circular reasoning, confirmation bias, and poor logic coupled with this lack of information. The result is a popular conspiracy theory that makes sense (even if a perverse sense) of events."


http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/conspiracy-science/


Quoting HotRodDeluxe on the other thread....

laugh drinker

Now for the definition of Conspiracy Theory again...since
the above examples in this thread are not actually Conspiracy Theories..

laugh

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 06/03/12 08:21 AM


"Conspiracy thinking is rooted in a desire for control and understanding, triggered by a lack of control and information, or ambiguous and unsatisfying information about big events. The authors emphasize that the public often has a lack of access to adequate information to explain historical events (a situational factor). This can be coupled with what has been called a “crippled epistemology” – a tendency to utilize circular reasoning, confirmation bias, and poor logic coupled with this lack of information. The result is a popular conspiracy theory that makes sense (even if a perverse sense) of events."


http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/conspiracy-science/


Quoting HotRodDeluxe on the other thread....

laugh drinker

Now for the definition of Conspiracy Theory again...since
the above examples in this thread are not actually Conspiracy Theories..

laugh

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
So what are you saying none of t he above are true?

Please provide some proof of this.

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Sun 06/03/12 09:01 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Sun 06/03/12 09:52 AM



"Conspiracy thinking is rooted in a desire for control and understanding, triggered by a lack of control and information, or ambiguous and unsatisfying information about big events. The authors emphasize that the public often has a lack of access to adequate information to explain historical events (a situational factor). This can be coupled with what has been called a “crippled epistemology” – a tendency to utilize circular reasoning, confirmation bias, and poor logic coupled with this lack of information. The result is a popular conspiracy theory that makes sense (even if a perverse sense) of events."


http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/conspiracy-science/


Quoting HotRodDeluxe on the other thread....

laugh drinker

Now for the definition of Conspiracy Theory again...since
the above examples in this thread are not actually Conspiracy Theories..

laugh

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
So what are you saying none of t he above are true?

Please provide some proof of this.
But they ate NOT Conspiracy-Theories!
The Crap around 9/11 are!laugh

And if they are true,they wouldn't be Conspiracy-Theories!

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 06/03/12 12:43 PM




"Conspiracy thinking is rooted in a desire for control and understanding, triggered by a lack of control and information, or ambiguous and unsatisfying information about big events. The authors emphasize that the public often has a lack of access to adequate information to explain historical events (a situational factor). This can be coupled with what has been called a “crippled epistemology” – a tendency to utilize circular reasoning, confirmation bias, and poor logic coupled with this lack of information. The result is a popular conspiracy theory that makes sense (even if a perverse sense) of events."


http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/conspiracy-science/


Quoting HotRodDeluxe on the other thread....

laugh drinker

Now for the definition of Conspiracy Theory again...since
the above examples in this thread are not actually Conspiracy Theories..

laugh

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
So what are you saying none of t he above are true?

Please provide some proof of this.
But they ate NOT Conspiracy-Theories!
The Crap around 9/11 are!laugh

And if they are true,they wouldn't be Conspiracy-Theories!
THe point being Mr conrad that untill these events ere proven to be true they were just "conspiracy theories".

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 06/03/12 12:49 PM





"Conspiracy thinking is rooted in a desire for control and understanding, triggered by a lack of control and information, or ambiguous and unsatisfying information about big events. The authors emphasize that the public often has a lack of access to adequate information to explain historical events (a situational factor). This can be coupled with what has been called a “crippled epistemology” – a tendency to utilize circular reasoning, confirmation bias, and poor logic coupled with this lack of information. The result is a popular conspiracy theory that makes sense (even if a perverse sense) of events."


http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/conspiracy-science/


Quoting HotRodDeluxe on the other thread....

laugh drinker

Now for the definition of Conspiracy Theory again...since
the above examples in this thread are not actually Conspiracy Theories..

laugh

A conspiracy theory explains an event as being the result of an alleged plot by a covert group or organization or, more broadly, the idea that important political, social or economic events are the products of secret plots that are largely unknown to the general public.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conspiracy_theories
So what are you saying none of t he above are true?

Please provide some proof of this.
But they ate NOT Conspiracy-Theories!
The Crap around 9/11 are!laugh

And if they are true,they wouldn't be Conspiracy-Theories!
THe point being Mr conrad that untill these events ere proven to be true they were just "conspiracy theories".
Nope,they weren't,because they happened!
Different from all those 9/11 socalled Theories!
I am sure that's where you're headed!laugh
But you are trying to add Plums and Pineapples together again!bigsmile

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Sun 06/03/12 01:53 PM
Logic:

"Because the above events may have been labelled 'Conspiracy Theories' in their day, and they later proved to be true, therefore the CT's around 9/11 must be true."

what

Troubled's photo
Sun 06/03/12 02:13 PM

Logic:

"Because the above events may have been labelled 'Conspiracy Theories' in their day, and they later proved to be true, therefore the CT's around 9/11 must be true."

what





A theory is just a theory until it has been studied and accepted. At that time it is no longer a conspiracy theory but a conspiracy.

Bestinshow's photo
Sun 06/03/12 02:29 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sun 06/03/12 02:29 PM
4.
Operation Mockingbird: Also in the 1950s to '70s, the CIA paid a number of well-known domestic and foreign journalists (from big-name media outlets like Time, The Washington Post, The New York Times, CBS and others) to publish CIA propaganda. The CIA also reportedly funded at least one movie, the animated "Animal Farm," by George Orwell. The Church Committee finally exposed the activities in 1975.
Another one of my favorites.

Just a heads up the original title of this thread at its origin is.

the-9-most-shocking-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true.