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Topic: "Without Jerusalem, we won't agree to anything,"
Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/30/12 12:41 PM
It is very simple

1967 Borders and East Jerusalem as Palestinian Capitol




Last month, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas demanded that Israel freeze all settlement construction, and accept the ceasefire lines which existed before the 1967 Middle East war as the basis for the borders of a future Palestine, with mutually agreed modifications, before he would return to direct peace talks.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has so far refused to freeze settlement construction in East Jerusalem. Palestinians want the area for their future capital, but Israel insists the city cannot be divided.

s1owhand's photo
Wed 05/30/12 02:38 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Wed 05/30/12 02:39 PM
laugh

Oh yes...Demand demand demand on the part of the Palestinians.
What did they compromise on? Nothing. What did they give up in
return for sovereignty and self rule in the West Bank? Nada.
What did they give up in return for Gaza? Zilch. They don't care
about living side by side in peace. They wish to attack civilians
and take no responsibility for their reprehensible terrorism.

Arafat was already offered an extremely generous deal and turned
it down. The "Palestinians" who don't exist as a culture or
ethnicity are not interested in peace with a Jewish state and will
not even state publicly that they will accept Israel as a
Jewish state.

They simply want to make unrealistic ridiculous unilateral demands
and then bomb civilians. So what else is new?

Israel will protect and preserve their own cultural heritage in the
city which was always the capital of Israel since antiquity.

When the Palestinians have learned to govern themselves peacefully
and have proven themselves to be trustworthy and have made
difficult and meaningful concessions in their own right....then and
only then will real lasting peace be possible.


Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/30/12 02:42 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Wed 05/30/12 02:42 PM
Like I said it is very simple




1967 Borders and East Jerusalem as Palestinian Capitol


Forgot the right of returndrinker

HotRodDeluxe's photo
Wed 05/30/12 02:53 PM

laugh

Oh yes...Demand demand demand on the part of the Palestinians.
What did they compromise on? Nothing. What did they give up in
return for sovereignty and self rule in the West Bank? Nada.
What did they give up in return for Gaza? Zilch. They don't care
about living side by side in peace. They wish to attack civilians
and take no responsibility for their reprehensible terrorism.

Arafat was already offered an extremely generous deal and turned
it down. The "Palestinians" who don't exist as a culture or
ethnicity are not interested in peace with a Jewish state and will
not even state publicly that they will accept Israel as a
Jewish state.

They simply want to make unrealistic ridiculous unilateral demands
and then bomb civilians. So what else is new?

Israel will protect and preserve their own cultural heritage in the
city which was always the capital of Israel since antiquity.

When the Palestinians have learned to govern themselves peacefully
and have proven themselves to be trustworthy and have made
difficult and meaningful concessions in their own right....then and
only then will real lasting peace be possible.




An excellent assessment of the situation. waving

s1owhand's photo
Wed 05/30/12 02:57 PM


laugh

Oh yes...Demand demand demand on the part of the Palestinians.
What did they compromise on? Nothing. What did they give up in
return for sovereignty and self rule in the West Bank? Nada.
What did they give up in return for Gaza? Zilch. They don't care
about living side by side in peace. They wish to attack civilians
and take no responsibility for their reprehensible terrorism.

Arafat was already offered an extremely generous deal and turned
it down. The "Palestinians" who don't exist as a culture or
ethnicity are not interested in peace with a Jewish state and will
not even state publicly that they will accept Israel as a
Jewish state.

They simply want to make unrealistic ridiculous unilateral demands
and then bomb civilians. So what else is new?

Israel will protect and preserve their own cultural heritage in the
city which was always the capital of Israel since antiquity.

When the Palestinians have learned to govern themselves peacefully
and have proven themselves to be trustworthy and have made
difficult and meaningful concessions in their own right....then and
only then will real lasting peace be possible.




An excellent assessment of the situation. waving


drinker

Title of the thread should be shortened to:

"We won't agree to anything"

laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/30/12 03:03 PM
And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon England’s mountains green?
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On England’s pleasant pastures seen?
And did the countenance divine
Shine forth upon our clouded hills?
And was Jerusalem builded here
Among these dark satanic mills?


Bring me my bow of burning gold!
Bring me my arrows of desire!
Bring me my spear! O clouds, unfold!
Bring me my chariot of fire!
I will not cease from mental fight,
Nor shall my sword sleep in my hand,
Till we have built Jerusalem
In England’s green and pleasant land.

Conrad_73's photo
Wed 05/30/12 03:08 PM

Like I said it is very simple




1967 Borders and East Jerusalem as Palestinian Capitol


Forgot the right of returndrinker
you mean that same East-Jerusalem that was annexed by Jordan in '49?
Never was anything to the Arabs!
Never belonged to them!
Jordan made a Pigsty of the Jewish Sites!


actually,in '67 East-Jerusalem was still occupied by Jordan!:laughing:
Palestinian Arabs definitely weren't there!:laughing:
Don't know where you get your INFO from!


Furthermore!

Netanyahu: Jerusalem is Ours, Not Up for Debate
PM Netanyahu has flatly rejected an American demand to stop Jewish construction in parts of the capital city.
By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 7/19/2009, 12:33 PM



Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu issued a sharp response Sunday to United States pressure to stop Jews from building in parts of Jerusalem claimed by the Palestinian Authority. Israel's sovereignty in Jerusalem is “not up for debate,” Netanyahu said, and Jews are permitted to build in any part of the capital city, as are Arabs.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132464

as to the "Right Of Return" rofl


Optomistic69's photo
Wed 05/30/12 03:15 PM
Binyamin Netanyahu

We can get America to do anything we wantrofl

Chazster's photo
Wed 05/30/12 04:15 PM
How about go back to before 635 when Muslims attacked them and took control of Jerusalem?

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 05/31/12 01:47 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Thu 05/31/12 01:50 PM
As Ilan Pappe has said,
most Israeli Jews have no idea of what they did to the Palestinians in 1948.
(He also said that those who do know don’t think that what was done was wrong).

But that’s only the tip of an iceberg of ignorance.


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Ilan Pappe: I'm not a traitor

Controversial historian Ilan Pappe left Israel last year after his endorsement of an academic boycott of Israel exposed him and his family to death threats.

Now a professor in England, Pappe maintains that a cultural boycott on his homeland is the only way to end the occupation
==============================================================

For those not in the know , Ilan Pappe is a Jew

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:08 PM


Like I said it is very simple




1967 Borders and East Jerusalem as Palestinian Capitol


Forgot the right of returndrinker
you mean that same East-Jerusalem that was annexed by Jordan in '49?
Never was anything to the Arabs!
Never belonged to them!
Jordan made a Pigsty of the Jewish Sites!


actually,in '67 East-Jerusalem was still occupied by Jordan!:laughing:
Palestinian Arabs definitely weren't there!:laughing:
Don't know where you get your INFO from!


Furthermore!

Netanyahu: Jerusalem is Ours, Not Up for Debate
PM Netanyahu has flatly rejected an American demand to stop Jewish construction in parts of the capital city.
By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 7/19/2009, 12:33 PM



Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu issued a sharp response Sunday to United States pressure to stop Jews from building in parts of Jerusalem claimed by the Palestinian Authority. Israel's sovereignty in Jerusalem is “not up for debate,” Netanyahu said, and Jews are permitted to build in any part of the capital city, as are Arabs.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132464

as to the "Right Of Return" rofl



Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:09 PM

As Ilan Pappe has said,
most Israeli Jews have no idea of what they did to the Palestinians in 1948.
(He also said that those who do know don’t think that what was done was wrong).

But that’s only the tip of an iceberg of ignorance.


========================================================
Ilan Pappe: I'm not a traitor

Controversial historian Ilan Pappe left Israel last year after his endorsement of an academic boycott of Israel exposed him and his family to death threats.

Now a professor in England, Pappe maintains that a cultural boycott on his homeland is the only way to end the occupation
==============================================================

For those not in the know , Ilan Pappe is a Jew
yep,we know,a selfhating traitorous Jew!

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:13 PM
Hope you're not holding your Breath about Jerusalem!laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:19 PM
The mounting public criticism of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin

Netanyahu by past and present members of the Zionist state’s defense

and intelligence establishments triggered the recall of a comment made

to me by one of its former Directors of Military Intelligence.



The comment was: “If we had a government consisting of only former DMI’s, we’d have had peace with the Palestinians long ago.”

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:27 PM

Hope you're not holding your Breath about Jerusalem!laugh
Blue in yer Face yet?laugh

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:28 PM
Because of the mainstream media’s complicity in Zionism’s suppression of the truth of history as it relates to the making and sustaining of the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel, most Americans and Europeans of all faiths and none have no idea of the enormity of Zionism’s crime.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:32 PM

Because of the mainstream media’s complicity in Zionism’s suppression of the truth of history as it relates to the making and sustaining of the conflict in and over Palestine that became Israel, most Americans and Europeans of all faiths and none have no idea of the enormity of Zionism’s crime.
you really haven't got a Clue,and neither does Ilan POOppe!laugh
Maybe it really is time you two really picked up a Book on History,instead of perusing those Sites!bigsmile

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:36 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Thu 05/31/12 02:37 PM
“The bottom line to the tragedy of the Palestinians

is that the Catastrophe of 1948 is still going on, as Jewish

colonization of the West Bank continues to expand. The objectives of

the Jews have not changed since the early part of the twentieth

century. Their motto continues to be ‘dunum after dunum of land’ for the exclusive use of Jews.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:37 PM

It is very simple

1967 Borders and East Jerusalem as Palestinian Capitol




Last month, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas demanded that Israel freeze all settlement construction, and accept the ceasefire lines which existed before the 1967 Middle East war as the basis for the borders of a future Palestine, with mutually agreed modifications, before he would return to direct peace talks.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has so far refused to freeze settlement construction in East Jerusalem. Palestinians want the area for their future capital, but Israel insists the city cannot be divided.
you mean that same East-Jerusalem that was annexed by Jordan in '49?
Never was anything to the Arabs!
Never belonged to them!
Jordan made a Pigsty of the Jewish Sites!


actually,in '67 East-Jerusalem was still occupied by Jordan!:laughing:
Palestinian Arabs definitely weren't there!:laughing:
Don't know where you get your INFO from!


Furthermore!

Netanyahu: Jerusalem is Ours, Not Up for Debate
PM Netanyahu has flatly rejected an American demand to stop Jewish construction in parts of the capital city.
By Maayana Miskin
First Publish: 7/19/2009, 12:33 PM



Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu issued a sharp response Sunday to United States pressure to stop Jews from building in parts of Jerusalem claimed by the Palestinian Authority. Israel's sovereignty in Jerusalem is “not up for debate,” Netanyahu said, and Jews are permitted to build in any part of the capital city, as are Arabs.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/132464

as to the "Right Of Return" rofl

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 05/31/12 02:39 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Thu 05/31/12 02:40 PM
Question: Is completion of the liquidation of the Palestinian presence

in historical Palestine really Zionism’s mission?

I believe the answer is “Yes”, and that unless the major powers led by

America summon up the will to call and hold Zionism’s monster child to

account for its crimes, there will be a final ethnic cleansing of

Palestine at some point in a foreseeable future.

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