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paraphrased, God simply says "Listen to Me" and life will be sweet! Who will listen today? The problem is who is relaying God's voice? Ezekiel 22:28 King James Version (KJV) 28 And her prophets have daubed them with untempered morter, seeing vanity, and divining lies unto them, saying, Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken. If someone said to me: "Thus saith the Lord" I would give the benefit of the doubt to that person and listen to what he/she had to say unless I had reason to believe he/she was a false prophet The point is that verse is from the Bible. Does that make you skeptical of the Bible? What if I could show you how Moses lied regarding at least 2 laws? you're talking about false prophets I know....and I do say there is at least one in the bible, but I'm leaning on more...what laws did Moses lie about? Divorce and sacrifices. Either Moses lied or Yeshua and Isaiah did... |
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can you give the reference please
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can you give the reference please Sounds like "law." |
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can you give the reference please Matthew 19:3-9 New International Version (NIV) 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.” Sorry, it was Jeremiah , not Isaiah. Jeremiah 7:21-23 New King James Version (NKJV) 21 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat meat. 22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’ |
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can you give the reference please Sounds like "law." I disagree. It's "anti-law"... |
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can you give the reference please Sounds like "law." huh? |
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Seakolony
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The word “disciple” refers to a learner or follower. The word “apostle” means “one who is sent out.” While Jesus was on earth, His twelve followers were called disciples. The twelve disciples followed Jesus Christ, learned from Him, and were trained by Him. After His resurrection and ascension, Jesus sent the disciples out to be His witnesses (Matthew 28:18-20; Acts 1:8). They were then referred to as the twelve apostles. However, even when Jesus was still on earth, the terms “disciples” and “apostles” were used somewhat interchangeably.
The original twelve disciples/apostles are listed in Matthew 10:2-4; “These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon (who is called Peter) and his brother Andrew; James son of Zebedee, and his brother John; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Him.” The Bible also lists the twelve disciples/apostles in Mark 3:16-19 and Luke 6:13-16. A comparison of the three passages shows a couple of minor differences in the names. It seems that Thaddaeus was also known as “Judas, son of James” (Luke 6:16) and Lebbaeus (Matthew 10:3). Simon the Zealot was also known as Simon the Canaanite (Mark 3:18). Judas Iscariot, who betrayed Jesus, was replaced in the twelve apostles by Matthias (see Acts 1:20-26). Some Bible teachers view Matthias as an “invalid” apostle and believe that Paul was God's choice to replace Judas Iscariot as the twelfth apostle. The twelve disciples/apostles were ordinary men whom God used in an extraordinary manner. Among the twelve were fishermen, a tax collector, and a revolutionary. The Gospels record the constant failings, struggles, and doubts of these twelve men who followed Jesus Christ. After witnessing Jesus' resurrection and ascension into heaven, the Holy Spirit transformed the disciples/apostles into powerful men of God who turned the world upside down (Acts 17:6). What was the change? The twelve apostles/disciples had “been with Jesus” (Acts 4:13). May the same be said of us! http://www.gotquestions.org/twelve-apostles-disciples-12.html I guess it depends on who you ask. My church views Paul (orginally Saul a pharisee) to be the replacement disciple/apostle. |
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Acts 9: Conversion of Saul 1, And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest, 2, And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem. 3, And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: 4, And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? 5, And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. 6, And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do. 7, And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man. 8, And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. 9, And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink. 10, And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. 11, And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, 12, And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight. 13, Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem: 14, And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name. 15, But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: 16, For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake. 17, And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. 18, And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized. 19, And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus. 20, And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. 21, But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests? 22, But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ. 23, And after that many days were fulfilled, the Jews took counsel to kill him: 24, But their laying await was known of Saul. And they watched the gates day and night to kill him. 25, Then the disciples took him by night, and let him down by the wall in a basket. 26, And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple. 27, But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus. 28, And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem. 29, And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him. 30, Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus. 31, Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. /,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/, /,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/,/ Paul's Apostleship; His words: "For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: Romans 11:13 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity. 1Timothy 2:7 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles." 2Timothy 1:11 |
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