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Topic: If I Wanted America to Fail
Conrad_73's photo
Fri 04/27/12 04:57 AM






I think this fits in here...if not apologies Invi:thumbsup:

Observing that the gap between rich and poor
was getting wider, the BBC's Jeremy Paxman wondered whether someone could
become too rich. The capitalist system is destined to create a financial elite as
the big fish get bigger and bigger. The financial barons provide the money and
organization for all the utopian dreamers who believe in a command and control
society. But the Devil's greatest trick is to persuade man that he does not exist.
The ablility of the hidden hand to manipulate policy depends upon concealment.
It has been assisted by the widespread apathy towards public affairs, generated
largely by the relative tranquillity of life in the West over the last sixty years.
However, through the internet, it is becoming much easier to demonstrate
and communicate both the existence of the cartel and the cumulative toxicity of
its various activities. Support for the party line will dwindle as soon as its real
purpose and its beneficiaries are exposed.
actually it is Fascism,NOT Capitalism Paxie is so aptly describing!

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini


Was he describing top-down or bottom-up Corporatism:smile:
whatever!
But like everyone else,he's using Capitalism as the Strawman to hang all of Socialism's/Statism's Failures onto.


It wasn't Socialism that created the biggest financial mess the world has ever known.....That would be Capitalismbigsmile


That would actually be crony capitalism..

and that is the problem.

We need to end crony capitalism and that involves turning off the government money spigot and moving to an actual free market system.
Trying to scare him now?:laughing:

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 04/27/12 05:15 AM







I think this fits in here...if not apologies Invi:thumbsup:

Observing that the gap between rich and poor
was getting wider, the BBC's Jeremy Paxman wondered whether someone could
become too rich. The capitalist system is destined to create a financial elite as
the big fish get bigger and bigger. The financial barons provide the money and
organization for all the utopian dreamers who believe in a command and control
society. But the Devil's greatest trick is to persuade man that he does not exist.
The ablility of the hidden hand to manipulate policy depends upon concealment.
It has been assisted by the widespread apathy towards public affairs, generated
largely by the relative tranquillity of life in the West over the last sixty years.
However, through the internet, it is becoming much easier to demonstrate
and communicate both the existence of the cartel and the cumulative toxicity of
its various activities. Support for the party line will dwindle as soon as its real
purpose and its beneficiaries are exposed.
actually it is Fascism,NOT Capitalism Paxie is so aptly describing!

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini


Was he describing top-down or bottom-up Corporatism:smile:
whatever!
But like everyone else,he's using Capitalism as the Strawman to hang all of Socialism's/Statism's Failures onto.


It wasn't Socialism that created the biggest financial mess the world has ever known.....That would be Capitalismbigsmile


That would actually be crony capitalism..

and that is the problem.

We need to end crony capitalism and that involves turning off the government money spigot and moving to an actual free market system.
Trying to scare him now?:laughing:




Trying to cover over your cock-up more like.

The failure of Socialism.....You mean The Socialist Bailout.....

InvictusV's photo
Fri 04/27/12 05:24 AM








I think this fits in here...if not apologies Invi:thumbsup:

Observing that the gap between rich and poor
was getting wider, the BBC's Jeremy Paxman wondered whether someone could
become too rich. The capitalist system is destined to create a financial elite as
the big fish get bigger and bigger. The financial barons provide the money and
organization for all the utopian dreamers who believe in a command and control
society. But the Devil's greatest trick is to persuade man that he does not exist.
The ablility of the hidden hand to manipulate policy depends upon concealment.
It has been assisted by the widespread apathy towards public affairs, generated
largely by the relative tranquillity of life in the West over the last sixty years.
However, through the internet, it is becoming much easier to demonstrate
and communicate both the existence of the cartel and the cumulative toxicity of
its various activities. Support for the party line will dwindle as soon as its real
purpose and its beneficiaries are exposed.
actually it is Fascism,NOT Capitalism Paxie is so aptly describing!

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini


Was he describing top-down or bottom-up Corporatism:smile:
whatever!
But like everyone else,he's using Capitalism as the Strawman to hang all of Socialism's/Statism's Failures onto.


It wasn't Socialism that created the biggest financial mess the world has ever known.....That would be Capitalismbigsmile


That would actually be crony capitalism..

and that is the problem.

We need to end crony capitalism and that involves turning off the government money spigot and moving to an actual free market system.
Trying to scare him now?:laughing:




Trying to cover over your cock-up more like.

The failure of Socialism.....You mean The Socialist Bailout.....


I don't know what you are on about with this.

The government is just as greedy and manipulative as the banks.

That is the point that you government lovers just can't seem to comprehend.


Optomistic69's photo
Fri 04/27/12 07:55 AM
Just throwing this snippet out there....

Its not Governments who are in charge.

$300 trillion of wealth is secretly controlled by an unspecified cabal of the world's richest families.
The power of Rothschild family was evidenced on 24th September 2002 when a helicopter touched down on the lawn of Waddedson Manor, their ancestral home in Buckinghamshire, England. Out of the helicopter strode Warren Buffet, - touted as the second richest man in the world - and Arnold Schwarzenegger, candidate for the Governorship of California. They'd come to rub shoulders with James Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank and Nicky Oppenheimer, Chairman of De Beers at a two day conference hosted by Jacob Rothschild. Arnold went on to secure the governorship of one of the biggest economies on the planet a year later. The fact that he was initiated into the ruling class in the Rothschilds' English country manor is more evidence of the international nature of the cartel and the location of its centre of gravity. (20)

http://www.policestateplanning.com/




Optomistic69's photo
Fri 04/27/12 08:20 AM
Nothing Has Changed in over 88 Years
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Didn't want to open another thread ...is that OK Invictus
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THE MONEY MAGICIANS

I am afraid that the ordinary citizen will not like to be told that the banks can and do create money... And they who control the credit of the nation direct the policy of Governments and hold in the hollow of their hands the destiny of the people
- Reginald McKenna speaking to stockholders as Chairman of the Board of Midland Bank in January 1924

InvictusV's photo
Fri 04/27/12 09:06 AM

Just throwing this snippet out there....

Its not Governments who are in charge.

$300 trillion of wealth is secretly controlled by an unspecified cabal of the world's richest families.
The power of Rothschild family was evidenced on 24th September 2002 when a helicopter touched down on the lawn of Waddedson Manor, their ancestral home in Buckinghamshire, England. Out of the helicopter strode Warren Buffet, - touted as the second richest man in the world - and Arnold Schwarzenegger, candidate for the Governorship of California. They'd come to rub shoulders with James Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank and Nicky Oppenheimer, Chairman of De Beers at a two day conference hosted by Jacob Rothschild. Arnold went on to secure the governorship of one of the biggest economies on the planet a year later. The fact that he was initiated into the ruling class in the Rothschilds' English country manor is more evidence of the international nature of the cartel and the location of its centre of gravity. (20)

http://www.policestateplanning.com/






Oh.. My favorite.. More wizard of OZ conspiracies..

The Arnold thing really worked well.. California is in such awesome shape financially..

If the center of the cabal is in England maybe you all living in the UK need to get off your a$$es and do something about it..

Or are you waiting for us to come over there and do it for you?

AGAIN..

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 04/27/12 09:10 AM








I think this fits in here...if not apologies Invi:thumbsup:

Observing that the gap between rich and poor
was getting wider, the BBC's Jeremy Paxman wondered whether someone could
become too rich. The capitalist system is destined to create a financial elite as
the big fish get bigger and bigger. The financial barons provide the money and
organization for all the utopian dreamers who believe in a command and control
society. But the Devil's greatest trick is to persuade man that he does not exist.
The ablility of the hidden hand to manipulate policy depends upon concealment.
It has been assisted by the widespread apathy towards public affairs, generated
largely by the relative tranquillity of life in the West over the last sixty years.
However, through the internet, it is becoming much easier to demonstrate
and communicate both the existence of the cartel and the cumulative toxicity of
its various activities. Support for the party line will dwindle as soon as its real
purpose and its beneficiaries are exposed.
actually it is Fascism,NOT Capitalism Paxie is so aptly describing!

Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power." Benito Mussolini


Was he describing top-down or bottom-up Corporatism:smile:
whatever!
But like everyone else,he's using Capitalism as the Strawman to hang all of Socialism's/Statism's Failures onto.


It wasn't Socialism that created the biggest financial mess the world has ever known.....That would be Capitalismbigsmile


That would actually be crony capitalism..

and that is the problem.

We need to end crony capitalism and that involves turning off the government money spigot and moving to an actual free market system.
Trying to scare him now?:laughing:




Trying to cover over your cock-up more like.

The failure of Socialism.....You mean The Socialist Bailout.....
That's one of the Failures we are talking about!
A BIG FAT FAIL!:laughing: rofl rofl

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 04/27/12 09:12 AM
Edited by Conrad_73 on Fri 04/27/12 09:14 AM

Just throwing this snippet out there....

Its not Governments who are in charge.

$300 trillion of wealth is secretly controlled by an unspecified cabal of the world's richest families.
The power of Rothschild family was evidenced on 24th September 2002 when a helicopter touched down on the lawn of Waddedson Manor, their ancestral home in Buckinghamshire, England. Out of the helicopter strode Warren Buffet, - touted as the second richest man in the world - and Arnold Schwarzenegger, candidate for the Governorship of California. They'd come to rub shoulders with James Wolfensohn, President of the World Bank and Nicky Oppenheimer, Chairman of De Beers at a two day conference hosted by Jacob Rothschild. Arnold went on to secure the governorship of one of the biggest economies on the planet a year later. The fact that he was initiated into the ruling class in the Rothschilds' English country manor is more evidence of the international nature of the cartel and the location of its centre of gravity. (20)

http://www.policestateplanning.com/




wondered how long until you arrived at the Rothschilds again!:laughing: rofl
Another Unholy Conspiracy uncovered!
My,ain't those Conspirators incompetent!
Can't even hide one little Conspiracy!:laughing: biggrin

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 04/27/12 01:54 PM
Edited by Optomistic69 on Fri 04/27/12 01:55 PM
The bankers have invested their vast fortunes in every branch of commerce,
cementing monopolies with interlocking shareholdings and directorships.
In John D. Rockefeller's immortal phrase "competition is a sin."

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 04/27/12 02:06 PM



That would actually be crony capitalism..

and that is the problem.

We need to end crony capitalism and that involves turning off the government money spigot and moving to an actual free market system.


Far from the money powers fighting for free-markets and against government regulation, the exact opposite is true. Giant cartels use government regulation and anti-trust laws to break up smaller cartels or to prevent competitors entering into the market. The ultimate objective is a feudal 'comand and control' society in which the corporations use government to diminish our freedoms.

no photo
Fri 04/27/12 02:46 PM
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/policestate_roadmap/policestate_roadmap02.htm


THE GREAT TRUST
2.1 The Military-Industrial Complex
2.2 Five Monopolies
2.3 Who Owns the Stock?
2.4 Who Owns the Media?
In 1888, Edward Bellamy wrote a book entitled Looking Backward: 2000-1887 in which he predicted the future exactly as it happened:
The nation... organized as the one great business corporation in which all other corporations were absorbed; it became the one capitalist in the place of all other capitalists... the final monopoly in which all previous and lesser monopolies were swallowed up... The epoch of trusts had ended in The Great Trust.(1)


2.1 THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX

The bankers have invested their vast fortunes in every branch of commerce, cementing monopolies with interlocking shareholdings and directorships. In John D. Rockefeller's immortal phrase "competition is a sin."

The establishment of the European-American petrochemical cartel was achieved in 1929 with the marriage of I.G. Farben of Germany to I.C.I. and Shell Oil of Great Britain, and to Standard Oil and DuPont of America.(2) The cartel was formed after I.G. Farben discovered how to make petroleum out of coal. I.G. agreed not to enter the petroleum market so long as Standard Oil did not enter the chemical industry unless as a partner with Farben.

By the beginning of WWII, Farben had become the largest industrial enterprise in Europe, the largest chemical company in the world, and part of the most powerful cartel in history. Besides the afore-mentioned companies, it had cartel agreements with 2000 companies around the world including Ford Motor Co, Alcoa, General Motors, Texaco, Proctor and Gamble, and virtually every enterprise that involved chemicals.

Hermann Schmitz, president of Bayer A.G and I.G. Farben during WWII, who also largely directed the Deutsche Bank, held a substantial amount of stock in Standard Oil of New Jersey.(3) G. Edward Griffin's investigation into the cancer industry found that the cartel agreement signed between Standard Oil and Farben on 9 November 1929 involved the exchange of some of Farben's patent rights over the coal-hydrogenation process for $30,000,000 of Standard's stock.

The Rockefeller group concealed its Farben holdings in false fronts and dummy accounts and when Farben's vast holdings were finally sold in 1962, the Rockefellers were the dominant force in carrying out the transaction.(4) Paul Warburg, another founding member of the Wall St. banking cartel, was also a director of several Farben subsidiaries.(5)

A cartel is a grouping of companies that are bound together by contracts or agreements designed to promote inter-company cooperation and thereby reduce competition between them. Some of these agreements may deal with harmless subjects such as industry standards and nomenclature. But most of them involve the exchange of patent rights, the dividing of regional markets, the setting of prices, and agreements not to enter into product competition within specific categories.(6)

In 1937, Fortune magazine editorialized:
By and large, the chemical industry has regulated itself in a manner that would please even a Soviet Commissar... The industry...is... the practitioner of one definite sort of planned economy.
In 1973, the United States Tariff Commission observed:
In the largest and most sophisticated multinational corporations, planning and subsequent monitoring of plan fulfillment have reached a scope and level of detail that, ironically, resemble more than superficially the national planning procedures of Communist countries.
Far from the money powers fighting for free-markets and against government regulation, the exact opposite is true. Giant cartels use government regulation and anti-trust laws to break up smaller cartels or to prevent competitors entering into the market. The ultimate objective is a feudal 'command and control' society in which the corporations use government to diminish our freedoms.

Optomistic69's photo
Fri 04/27/12 03:02 PM
The control of the US, and of global politics, by the wealthiest families of the planet is exercised in a powerful, profound and clandestine manner. This control began in Europe and has a continuity that can be traced back to the time when the bankers discovered it was more profitable to give loans to governments than to needy individuals.

These banking families and their subservient beneficiaries have come to own most major businesses over the two centuries during which they have secretly and increasingly organised themselves as controllers of governments worldwide and as arbiters of war and peace.

Unless we understand this we will be unable to understand the real reasons for the two world wars and the impending Third World War, a war that is almost certain to begin as a consequence of the US attempt to seize and control Central Asia. The only way out is for the US to back off – something the people of the US and the world want, but the elite does not.

The US is a country controlled through the privately owned Federal Reserve, which in turn is controlled by the handful of banking families that established it by deception in the first place.



http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25160

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