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Edited by
WholesomeWoman
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Fri 04/06/12 10:51 PM
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no they are not the same,destiny is by design and circumstanes are whatever happens ..happens..so i don't agree..  Not necessarily for there are two definitions for the meaning of destiny that fits both views of looking at destiny and both involve circumstances as influence in a person's destiny. Pre-planned or designed destiny is not cut in stone unless the person of faith is a puppet for each person is given to choice or decision and influenced by circumstances as is circumstances a player in both. As in destiny of one who makes their own decisions or choices which will be influenced by others' decisions and choices in life shaping or re-shaping pathways by others. Or, are you taking destiny from doctrinal thinking of another, that which is written by people, and if so each doctrine of many groups of people are differing among each religion or non-religion. If all doctrines or interpretations of scripture were the same then there would be credibility to the idea of controlled or a designed destined life but not only for peoples of all things too in this universe. There are other forces involved of those who believe that serves to battle and yet the claim is the battle has been won already. I cannot believe in living a life that has been played out, designed and blueprinted for all time, for it seems useless for any purpose even to the designer. For the designer's creation of existence would be non other for the sake of twindling the thumbs, watching a movie so to speak of all time of people living out a live "drama". Maybe it is that you believe everything is destined in this universe and would have to be, planets, galaxies ... life is pre-destined. It seems like you are speaking from a theory of pre-destination when you speak of a desginer being involved and if so that is from a doctrine or belief. It is okay to disagree and I do disagree with you for I cannot not go in the direction that everything in the universe is planned out by a designer only for the purpose of a live theatre production. |
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..but destiny is cut in stone or else it wouldn't be destiny and if certain circumstances was in the design of that destiny than they too become destiny because they were meant to happen..whereby circumstances outcome is never known and the result is not by design like destiny ..they are different.. |
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,i stated i was a victim of circumstance. so why would i even begin to think everything is designed in the universe,you are saying that circumstances and destiny are one and the same ..i cannot agree with that |
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Edited by
WholesomeWoman
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Fri 04/06/12 10:57 PM
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,i stated i was a victim of circumstance. so why would i even begin to think everything is designed in the universe,you are saying that circumstances and destiny are one and the same ..i cannot agree with that I should of not used the word synomous, but see how circumstances a player in both schools of thought or two definitions of, what is destiny. |
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Yes,We have controlled the death partially with technological & scientific advancement but we don't have control over ourself's birth.I mean AT THIS POINT OF TIME you would have been something else if you were born to some other else/ some where /some how else. So,do you still think you aren't bound by destiny? Hi, I do think I am bound by destiny by the choices I make in life, whether good or bad, the consequences of a choice will have a cause and affect in my life will determine my destiny or things I will experience in the future because of my decisions or choices in life. However I see some people see it otherwise and believe there is two schools of thought on what is destiny. 1) The things that someone or something will experience the future. So, I think I am bound by my own destiny by what I do, say etc by my choices, actions, in life. However, thinking on this further, not only my decisions and choices in life but other people's too for, we are all in the world together affecting each others' lives. Going further even the universe is involved for tomorrow a meteorite the size of Russia could hit the earth and life's up for all! The universe is a living entity constantly being born and dying (stars, planets..). 2) THe second way I see people see destiny as a power that is believed to control what happens in the future (i.e. their belief system i.e. God, a higher power, thus it is their fate or they are bound to a destiny by the higher power i.e. their God) as to what will happen in their lives. Hello,Thanks for sharing your views. The second way is probably for the people who instead of working blames to destiny. I think everyone is bound by destiny somehow.Many times we plan,we do & we succeed,sometimes we don't succeed despite of hard & smart work,our task remains unaccomplished due to some factors which are not at all in our control,then we often realize power of destiny. It is also true that if we make ourselves more efficient & more influencing then comparatively less things remain out of our control,but before all the fact comes into picture how & where were you born which is never in your control. You are welcome. True what you say, "before all the fact comes into picture how & where were you born which is never in your control". However and then, the question becomes does destiny start from birth onwards or, is pre-destination a notion you assume. And if so, then it would come down to, there are two definitions of destiny that would apply. If it is so, there many topics that fit what comes first, the chicken or the egg discussion. Are you referring to pre-destination when you posed your topic in relation to where and when a person is born? Or, mainly stating a fact that our births are not in our control or do not pertain to destiny? I'm mainly stating that we all are bound by destiny somehow & the ultimate example is "at least our birth is decided only by destiny" On the same track as you on destiny and I see it now, interesting point, thanks! Thanks & welcome. 
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There is no "Destiny" You either sit on your @$$ and let life dictate it's self to you... or you stand the hell up and decide for yourself what your life will be. None of us were born with a silver spoon in thier mouth. The ones who were sure as hell ain't here. Life is about making choices and actually following them through....we do the wrong things...we do the right things...Destiny, Fate, Karma....It is all crap. All we can do is to be a good person today and a better person tommorrow. That should be good enough. Hmmmm,I suspect the meaning of this phrase for the way you used it,krupa. None of us were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. We use this phrase for those who are born in rich family.So I got to say that few people born with a silver spoon in their mouth & on the other hand few are thrown out as unwanted on streets in garbage.Poor fellows who gets the life in this way,even don't remain live for thinking about fate & destiny. It's purely destiny which gives them life & ends their life before they can do anything. |
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Nothing determines what my life will be....
but.... ME!!!! Choices, decisions....good and bad.... make me who I am....and what I will be. I never cared in my youth..... Now, I am careful what paths I proceed down. As for my Birth.....I have no Idea what power deciced I would be born to my parents.... But I am very thankful it was them. They were and are.... Awesome!!!!!! |
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That power is called as destiny of course.
I see my mother & father as god; not just for the reason that they gifted me this life but also for the relentless work they did for educating & bringing me & my siblings up. I always see this as my good luck that I get the parents like them,these ways my destiny has always favored me. I know there are enormous ways to get more & more & more,but I'm satisfied with what I got / getting / will get. To be satisfied my faith in destiny helps me. |
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Edited by
krupa
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Sat 04/07/12 11:15 AM
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Hmmmm,I suspect the meaning of this phrase for the way you used it,krupa. None of us were born with a silver spoon in their mouth. We use this phrase for those who are born in rich family.So I got to say that few people born with a silver spoon in their mouth & on the other hand few are thrown out as unwanted on streets in garbage.Poor fellows who gets the life in this way,even don't remain live for thinking about fate & destiny. It's purely destiny which gives them life & ends their life before they can do anything. I was born poor. I was raised poor. I am not a wealthy man. But, I was raised with love and respect...and that is something that money cannot buy. I give zero respect to the rich..exactly the same as I give zero respect to the poor. I consider everyone equals until they prove that they are less. Destiny had no hand in the man who I am. My father taught me to be a good man. It is strictly my decision to do the right thing or to do the wrong thing. I am my own fate as is everyone else beholden to the things that they choose to do or not do. Fate Karma and Destiny are the easy way to not accept responsibility for successes or failures. (In America, we make up excuses and have doctors give us drugs to rationalize our failures) If I had my way....I would call it Karma. Cause I am pretty good at making good Karma. I ain't saying that like a judgemental prick...I can only speak for the truths that I apply to myself. |
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I was born poor. Purely destined I was raised poor. Purely destined I am not a wealthy man. Little to do with destiny. But, I was raised with love and respect...and that is something that money cannot buy. That is what destiny gifted you. I give zero respect to the rich..exactly the same as I give zero respect to the poor. I consider everyone equals until they prove that they are less. Destiny had no hand in the man who I am. In my opinion destiny has played above mentioned roles in your life. My father taught me to be a good man. That wise man was purely destined for you It is strictly my decision to do the right thing or to do the wrong thing. The discrimination between right or wrong is made by you based on what your father taught & raised you.Destiny has provided you the base there. I am my own fate as is everyone else beholden to the things that they choose to do or not do. Fate Karma and Destiny are the easy way to not accept responsibility for successes or failures.(In America, we make up excuses and have doctors give us drugs to rationalize our failures) Somehow ,someways destiny is always playing role in each of our action.It is always good to be responsible for what we do but in my opinion it is thanklessness or slightly egoistic to deny role of destiny. If I had my way....I would call it Karma. Cause I am pretty good at making good Karma. I ain't saying that like a judgemental prick...I can only speak for the truths that I apply to myself. That's really good,in my opinion it will be more attractive if you accept the role of destiny in making you able today at making good karma. |
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