How does a guy who lives with (OFF of) his parents and can not even pull together the minimum of his own transportation have the concept of planning, responsibility, independence, deferred gratification, and committment to make a relationship, even a dating relationship, work? Especially for someone who has such a distorted idea of what grown women want? And a clear distain for women in general? Is it possible it is your attitude that is shooting you down in flames?

Are you speaking for all women? Do you know them all?

I do prefer a guy has his own place and his own car. Does it have to be fancy? Of course not. But I'm not driving someone around everywhere, so his own transportation is a must. Why is that a problem?

100% correct, girls this days depend on no money no love game.

I dated a woman for about a month, she seemed to getting madder and madder at me. I didn't know why, until she said- "You know you make good money and you need to give me some of it, because I am a single mother and its hard!" I gave her some money for the cab to take her home. Cab ride=$40, the look on her face=Priceless

While it is a little obscene how some folks of means tend to ignore the realities of life for some that you reacted to what I would consider the absolute prostituion of her role as mother the way you did was appropriate.

I am not sure I would have even paid for a cab in that instance and dropped her off at a bus stop. The idea that she thought she was entitled to your resources above and beyond the gift of the date seems really lame.

As a single mother I well remember the sacrifices that are sometimes necessary but expecting a date to foot their bills would have been unthinkable for me.

All that said I do think that people who date people with fastly different financial means and ignore the fact that they might be making big sacrifices to meet their responsiblities or possibly the responsibilities of someone elses broken promises are really insensitive. Especially when those same people have probably just been lucky that all their choices have turned out as well as they have.

To me a person who thinks it is cool to pretend that all they are responsible for in a relationship are their own choices with no empathy for the person they date are more infatuated with the illusion than the reality. Real love is embraceing the whole person and not making them plead for help to carry their load in life.

Whether or not they will admit it, plenty of women want a man for the kind of lifestyle that he can afford. If a man can't give a woman her material desires, then she will reject him.

She just aint into him because he doesn't have what she wants.

I won't contest this opinion.

Being a mate/having a mate is a trade off.

Men generally want a partner that provides them basic contributions in a relationship; female companionship, sex, someone who will bear and raise children, often someone who will manage the household seeing to many of the chores, holding down social obligations in the community, even helping attend parents in their senior years to mention a few. Now days most even expect some kind of financial contribution above and beyond spending wisely household budgets too so a career of sorts outside the home to help make ends meet if not acquire wealth they could not do on their own.

So yes women generally want a man who has made enough out of himself to sustain employment, provide at least a lower middleclass lifestyle and fullfill the role of provider besides companion, lover, co-parent, and in some instances co-maintenance.

Do I find a woman who only sees a mate as a meal ticket not a partner offensive. Sure. No-one wants to be seen as only a wallet but most women don't want to feel like a spouse is nothing more than a third dependent that they have to clean up after, and care for like another child, and then support him also.

Statements like this make me glad I am not dating. I have always paid my own bills and not one man in my life has ever paid my bills or supported me. Hell will freeze over before that happens.
Incidentially, I have yet to meet a divorced man that had any money anyways so really the point is moot. This is why I always carried cash with me on a date so I could pay my own way.

Yep, I always make sure I can pay my own way. If guys keep finding the kind of women who refuse to do that ever, they need to look at the kind of women they're going for..

I agree. Funny thing is my ex-boyfriend just contacted me a few days ago saying he had gotten a big settlement at work and he would pay my mortgage. I told him to keep his money as I will pay my own mortgage. Men think if they wave money in front of me; I will just jump at it? Not likely.

Dat True miss

I didn't say that it had to be a fancy car? That's all you obviously care about is whether a man has a car,a house,a good job, and everything to make your life easy. You would rather be with a man that has all that and do not see any possiblity with a man who doesn't. It's only when I got sick and lost everything that I realized women were only with me because I had all that. Now that I have worked hard to get healthy again and I'm starting my own business I see how women are. No woman that can accept to be with me now deserves to be with when I'm a success again and make no mistake I will be a success again. I'll treat a woman right,be honest,respectful,trusting,loving,caring,but that just isn't enough for women.

Actually, I just expect him to be able to take care of himself. Sorry that bothers you.

How about the flip side of the coin when you meet men that only want to be with you because you have a house and they want to leech off you. They can't hold down a job because they are alcoholics or owe so much money to their ex that you end up supporting them. Then they say the same crap that they will be honest, respectful, trusting, blah, blah, blah. Of course they say that until you are in the relationship with them and then they are completely different. You damn right a man should be able to provide for himself and if he can't, I sure as hell wouldn't see any possibility with him. I can provide for myself and never had a man pay a dime to support me. Contrary to what you think; not every woman even needs a man to support her or take care of her. That is pure crap.