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Topic: CIA Chief endorses Ron Paul
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/17/12 12:16 PM


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnH0dxdiRzc&feature=related

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 12:34 PM
The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

andrewzooms's photo
Tue 01/17/12 12:37 PM
Edited by andrewzooms on Tue 01/17/12 12:38 PM

The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh



Oh the same Bin Laden who was treated at a United States Hospital in Dubai?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/17/12 12:45 PM

The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh


Yeah, anyone can be a CIA chief (until you bring into question their drug smuggling and weapons dealing..... )

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 12:55 PM


The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh


Yeah, anyone can be a CIA chief (until you bring into question their drug smuggling and weapons dealing..... )


The guy was a UNIT Chief then DEMOTED to a consultant because he was not a good one. laugh

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/17/12 01:01 PM



The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh


Yeah, anyone can be a CIA chief (until you bring into question their drug smuggling and weapons dealing..... )


The guy was a UNIT Chief then DEMOTED to a consultant because he was not a good one. laugh


Yep, they don't like it when you call them drug smugglers and arms dealers!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 01/17/12 01:15 PM


When viewing this article, notice to black bar across the top......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer

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Tue 01/17/12 01:20 PM



When viewing this article, notice to black bar across the top......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer


The FCC is trying to shut down Wikipedia for good. sad

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 01:25 PM




The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh


Yeah, anyone can be a CIA chief (until you bring into question their drug smuggling and weapons dealing..... )


The guy was a UNIT Chief then DEMOTED to a consultant because he was not a good one. laugh


Yep, they don't like it when you call them drug smugglers and arms dealers!


No, he couldn't do his job.

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Tue 01/17/12 01:50 PM


The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh



Oh the same Bin Laden who was treated at a United States Hospital in Dubai?
Like to elaborate on that,and maybe provide a Timeline?spock

Conrad_73's photo
Tue 01/17/12 01:53 PM




When viewing this article, notice to black bar across the top......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Scheuer


The FCC is trying to shut down Wikipedia for good. sad
BULL!
They are shutting down to protest the pending Internet-Laws in Senate and House!slaphead

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 02:29 PM



The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh



Oh the same Bin Laden who was treated at a United States Hospital in Dubai?
Like to elaborate on that,and maybe provide a Timeline?spock


:thumbsup:

Seakolony's photo
Tue 01/17/12 02:38 PM
Edited by Seakolony on Tue 01/17/12 02:39 PM




The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh



Oh the same Bin Laden who was treated at a United States Hospital in Dubai?
Like to elaborate on that,and maybe provide a Timeline?spock


:thumbsup:

So where is the timeline on his stay in a US hospital in Dubai? I guess Andrwzooms wont provide the necessary information?

heavenlyboy34's photo
Tue 01/17/12 02:44 PM

The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

Kind of hard to be a threat to America when you're dead. (http://news.intelwire.com/2010/07/wikileaks-document-says-bin-laden-died.html)

Plus, if you had even bothered to read OBL's FBI sheet, you'd know he's never been tied to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden He was, however, a CIA asset when he was fighting the Soviets.

But, you're soooo busy calling people "Paultards", you can't be bothered with learning about actual facts, I suppose.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 02:54 PM


The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

Kind of hard to be a threat to America when you're dead. (http://news.intelwire.com/2010/07/wikileaks-document-says-bin-laden-died.html)

Plus, if you had even bothered to read OBL's FBI sheet, you'd know he's never been tied to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden He was, however, a CIA asset when he was fighting the Soviets.

But, you're soooo busy calling people "Paultards", you can't be bothered with learning about actual facts, I suppose.


U.S. government officials and a number of other parties maintain that the U.S. supported only the indigenous Afghan mujahideen. They deny that the CIA or other American officials had contact with the Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) or Bin Laden, let alone armed, trained, coached or indoctrinated them. Scholars and reporters have called the idea of CIA-backed Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) "nonsense", "sheer fantasy", and "simply a folk myth."

They argue that:

with a quarter of a million local Afghans willing to fight there was no need to recruit foreigners unfamiliar with the local language, customs or lay of the land
that with several hundred million dollars a year in funding from non-American, Muslim sources, Arab Afghans themselves would have no need for American funds
that Americans could not train mujahideen because Pakistani officials would not allow more than a handful of them to operate in Pakistan and none in Afghanistan;
that the Afghan Arabs were militant Islamists, reflexively hostile to Westerners, and prone to threaten or attack Westerners even though they knew the Westerners were helping the mujahideen.
Al-Qaeda leader Ayman al-Zawahiri says much the same thing in his book Knights Under the Prophet's Banner.

Bin Laden himself has said "the collapse of the Soviet Union ... goes to God and the mujahideen in Afghanistan ... the US had no mentionable role," but "collapse made the US more haughty and arrogant."

According to CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997,

The story about bin Laden and the CIA — that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden — is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. The real story here is the CIA did not understand who Osama was until 1996, when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.

Bergen quotes Pakistani Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, who ran the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Afghan operation between 1983 and 1987:

It was always galling to the Americans, and I can understand their point of view, that although they paid the piper they could not call the tune. The CIA supported the mujahideen by spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment. It was their secret arms procurement branch that was kept busy. It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen, and no American official ever went inside Afghanistan.

Marc Sageman, a Foreign Service Officer who was based in Islamabad from 1987–1989, and worked closely with Afghanistan's Mujahideen, argues that no American money went to the foreign volunteers.

Sageman also says:

Contemporaneous accounts of the war do not even mention [the Afghan Arabs]. Many were not serious about the war. ... Very few were involved in actual fighting. For most of the war, they were scattered among the Afghan groups associated with the four Afghan fundamentalist parties.

No U.S. official ever came in contact with the foreign volunteers. They simply traveled in different circles and never crossed U.S. radar screens. They had their own sources of money and their own contacts with the Pakistanis, official Saudis, and other Muslim supporters, and they made their own deals with the various Afghan resistance leaders."

Vincent Cannistraro, who led the Reagan administration's Afghan Working Group from 1985 to 1987, puts it,

The CIA was very reluctant to be involved at all. They thought it would end up with them being blamed, like in Guatemala." So the Agency tried to avoid direct involvement in the war, ... the skittish CIA, Cannistraro estimates, had less than ten operatives acting as America's eyes and ears in the region. Milton Bearden, the Agency's chief field operative in the war effort, has insisted that "[T]he CIA had nothing to do with" bin Laden. Cannistraro says that when he coordinated Afghan policy from Washington, he never once heard bin Laden's name.

Fox News reporter Richard Miniter wrote that in interviews with the two men who "oversaw the disbursement for all American funds to the anti-Soviet resistance, Bill Peikney - CIA station chief in Islamabad from 1984 to 1986 - and Milt Bearden - CIA station chief from 1986 to 1989 - he found,

Both flatly denied that any CIA funds ever went to bin Laden. They felt so strongly about this point that they agreed to go on the record, an unusual move by normally reticent intelligence officers. Mr. Peikney added in an e-mail to me: “I don’t even recall UBL [bin Laden] coming across my screen when I was there.

Other reasons advanced for a lack of a CIA-Afghan Arab connection of "pivotal importance," (or even any connection at all), was that the Afghan Arabs themselves were not important in the war but were a "curious sideshow to the real fighting."

One estimate of the number of combatants in the war is that 250,000 Afghans fought 125,000 Soviet troops, but only 2000 Arab Afghans fought "at any one time".

According to Milton Bearden the CIA did not recruit Arabs because there were hundreds of thousands of Afghans all too willing to fight. The Arab Afghans were not only superfluous but "disruptive," angering local Afghans with their more-Muslim-than-thou attitude, according to Peter Jouvenal. Veteran Afghan cameraman Peter Jouvenal quotes an Afghan mujahideen as saying "whenever we had a problem with one of them [foreign mujahideen], we just shot them. They thought they were kings."

Many who traveled in Afghanistan, including Olivier Roy and Peter Jouvenal, reported of the Arab Afghans' visceral hostility to Westerners in Afghanistan to aid Afghans or report on their plight. BBC reporter John Simpson tells the story of running into Osama bin Laden in 1989, and with neither knowing who the other was, bin Laden attempting to bribe Simpson's Afghan driver $500 — a large sum in a poor country — to kill the infidel Simpson. When the driver declined, Bin Laden retired to his "camp bed" and wept "in frustration."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA-Osama_bin_Laden_controversy#Opposing_view

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 02:55 PM


The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

Kind of hard to be a threat to America when you're dead. (http://news.intelwire.com/2010/07/wikileaks-document-says-bin-laden-died.html)

Plus, if you had even bothered to read OBL's FBI sheet, you'd know he's never been tied to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden He was, however, a CIA asset when he was fighting the Soviets.

But, you're soooo busy calling people "Paultards", you can't be bothered with learning about actual facts, I suppose.


I learn the facts, not the conspiracies.

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Tue 01/17/12 03:35 PM



The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

Kind of hard to be a threat to America when you're dead. (http://news.intelwire.com/2010/07/wikileaks-document-says-bin-laden-died.html)

Plus, if you had even bothered to read OBL's FBI sheet, you'd know he's never been tied to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden He was, however, a CIA asset when he was fighting the Soviets.

But, you're soooo busy calling people "Paultards", you can't be bothered with learning about actual facts, I suppose.


I learn the facts, not the conspiracies.
The facts just like the MSM says they are.....constantly quoting FAUX news and trying to shovel it off as undeniable factual information.

Lpdon's photo
Tue 01/17/12 04:47 PM




The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

Kind of hard to be a threat to America when you're dead. (http://news.intelwire.com/2010/07/wikileaks-document-says-bin-laden-died.html)

Plus, if you had even bothered to read OBL's FBI sheet, you'd know he's never been tied to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden He was, however, a CIA asset when he was fighting the Soviets.

But, you're soooo busy calling people "Paultards", you can't be bothered with learning about actual facts, I suppose.


I learn the facts, not the conspiracies.
The facts just like the MSM says they are.....constantly quoting FAUX news and trying to shovel it off as undeniable factual information.


Better then the facts the Paultards make up. laugh

no photo
Tue 01/17/12 06:16 PM
"Bin Laden isn't a threat to America."

Thank you CIA guy who finally had the courage to speak the truth.

Al Qaeda is a fictional entity and Bin Laden is a fictional "boogie man."

This is the truth.

It is so obvious it is ridiculous. I can't imagine, in my wildest dreams, any terrorist act NOT being tagged by the press as possible
"Al Qaeda" if it involves Arabs or Islamic people. Unless the terrorist is caught red handed and happens to be a blond haired blue eyed Nazi, he will be called a "suspected Al Qaeda operative."




no photo
Tue 01/17/12 06:18 PM



The guy was a horrible CIA officer who wasn't liked or respected by fellow officers and who said Bin Laden isn't a threat to America. laugh

Sounds like the typical Paultard. laugh

Kind of hard to be a threat to America when you're dead. (http://news.intelwire.com/2010/07/wikileaks-document-says-bin-laden-died.html)

Plus, if you had even bothered to read OBL's FBI sheet, you'd know he's never been tied to 9/11. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden He was, however, a CIA asset when he was fighting the Soviets.

But, you're soooo busy calling people "Paultards", you can't be bothered with learning about actual facts, I suppose.


I learn the facts, not the conspiracies.


No you swallow the obvious propaganda written by professional spin doctors and Wikipedia trash, which according to how that site is run, you could have written yourself.


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