Topic: How Fares the Dream?
Bestinshow's photo
Mon 01/16/12 08:42 AM
I have a dream,” declared Martin Luther King, in a speech that has lost none of its power to inspire. And some of that dream has come true. When King spoke in the summer of 1963, America was a nation that denied basic rights to millions of its citizens, simply because their skin was the wrong color. Today racism is no longer embedded in law. And while it has by no means been banished from the hearts of men, its grip is far weaker than once it was

To say the obvious: to look at a photo of President Obama with his cabinet is to see a degree of racial openness — and openness to women, too — that would have seemed almost inconceivable in 1963. When we observe Martin Luther King’s Birthday, we have something very real to celebrate: the civil rights movement was one of America’s finest hours, and it made us a nation truer to its own ideals.

Yet if King could see America now, I believe that he would be disappointed, and feel that his work was nowhere near done. He dreamed of a nation in which his children “will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” But what we actually became is a nation that judges people not by the color of their skin — or at least not as much as in the past — but by the size of their paychecks. And in America, more than in most other wealthy nations, the size of your paycheck is strongly correlated with the size of your father’s paycheck.

Goodbye Jim Crow, hello class system.

Economic inequality isn’t inherently a racial issue, and rising inequality would be disturbing even if there weren’t a racial dimension. But American society being what it is, there are racial implications to the way our incomes have been pulling apart. And in any case, King — who was campaigning for higher wages when he was assassinated — would surely have considered soaring inequality an evil to be opposed.

So, about that racial dimension: In the 1960s it was widely assumed that ending overt discrimination would improve the economic as well as legal status of minority groups. And at first this seemed to be happening. Over the course of the 1960s and 1970s substantial numbers of black families moved into the middle class, and even into the upper middle class; the percentage of black households in the top 20 percent of the income distribution nearly doubled.

But around 1980 the relative economic position of blacks in America stopped improving. Why? An important part of the answer, surely, is that circa 1980 income disparities in the United States began to widen dramatically, turning us into a society more unequal than at any time since the 1920s.

Think of the income distribution as a ladder, with different people on different rungs. Starting around 1980, the rungs began moving ever farther apart, adversely affecting black economic progress in two ways. First, because many blacks were still on the lower rungs, they were left behind as income at the top of the ladder soared while income near the bottom stagnated. Second, as the rungs moved farther apart, the ladder became harder to climb.

The Times recently reported on a well-established finding that still surprises many Americans when they hear about it: although we still see ourselves as the land of opportunity, we actually have less intergenerational economic mobility than other advanced nations. That is, the chances that someone born into a low-income family will end up with high income, or vice versa, are significantly lower here than in Canada or Europe.

And there’s every reason to believe that our low economic mobility has a lot to do with our high level of income inequality.

Last week Alan Krueger, chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, gave an important speech about income inequality, presenting a relationship he dubbed the “Great Gatsby Curve.” Highly unequal countries, he showed, have low mobility: the more unequal a society is, the greater the extent to which an individual’s economic status is determined by his or her parents’ status. And as Mr. Krueger pointed out, this relationship suggests that America in the year 2035 will have even less mobility than it has now, that it will be a place in which the economic prospects of children largely reflect the class into which they were born.

That is not a development we should meekly accept.

Mitt Romney says that we should discuss income inequality, if at all, only in “quiet rooms.” There was a time when people said the same thing about racial inequality. Luckily, however, there were people like Martin Luther King who refused to stay quiet. And we should follow their example today. For the fact is that rising inequality threatens to make America a different and worse place — and we need to reverse that trend to preserve both our values and our dreams.
by Paul Krugman
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/16-1

InvictusV's photo
Mon 01/16/12 08:55 AM
It starts with education.

Apparently, there needs to be an emphasis on spelling..

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 01/16/12 09:10 AM

It starts with education.

Apparently, there needs to be an emphasis on spelling..
Enlighten melaugh

no photo
Mon 01/16/12 09:16 AM
Edited by Spidercmb on Mon 01/16/12 09:20 AM
The Government runs the schools, where only 47% of black males graduate.

The Government sets a minimum wage of $7.25 / hour, which make anyone who cannot do $7.25 worth of work in an hour are unemployable.

The Government runs the school, where black males have a 53% failure rate and then they raised the minimum wage to $7.25 / hour to ensure that only the most competent high school students can get a job. This results in 40% unemployment of black males from 18-25 yo and a total unemployment rate of over 19%.

This isn't the fault of business owners or the "big corporations" or the rank and file of white America, it's the fault of do-good politicians who have hurt the African American community with their poorly thought out policies. The fact that black males have such a hard time getting job skills in their teens and early twenties, they often struggle throughout their lives.

When I go to a fast food place, I see teenage whites and adult blacks working there, rarely do I see a teenage black or an adult white. This is a tragedy engineered with good intentions by our well meaning politicians.

InvictusV's photo
Mon 01/16/12 09:19 AM


It starts with education.

Apparently, there needs to be an emphasis on spelling..
Enlighten melaugh


I'm impressed..

Conrad_73's photo
Mon 01/16/12 09:55 AM

I have a dream,” declared Martin Luther King, in a speech that has lost none of its power to inspire. And some of that dream has come true. When King spoke in the summer of 1963, America was a nation that denied basic rights to millions of its citizens, simply because their skin was the wrong color. Today racism is no longer embedded in law. And while it has by no means been banished from the hearts of men, its grip is far weaker than once it was

To say the obvious: to look at a photo of President Obama with his cabinet is to see a degree of racial openness — and openness to women, too — that would have seemed almost inconceivable in 1963. When we observe Martin Luther King’s Birthday, we have something very real to celebrate: the civil rights movement was one of America’s finest hours, and it made us a nation truer to its own ideals.

Yet if King could see America now, I believe that he would be disappointed, and feel that his work was nowhere near done. He dreamed of a nation in which his children “will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” But what we actually became is a nation that judges people not by the color of their skin — or at least not as much as in the past — but by the size of their paychecks. And in America, more than in most other wealthy nations, the size of your paycheck is strongly correlated with the size of your father’s paycheck.

Goodbye Jim Crow, hello class system.

Economic inequality isn’t inherently a racial issue, and rising inequality would be disturbing even if there weren’t a racial dimension. But American society being what it is, there are racial implications to the way our incomes have been pulling apart. And in any case, King — who was campaigning for higher wages when he was assassinated — would surely have considered soaring inequality an evil to be opposed.

So, about that racial dimension: In the 1960s it was widely assumed that ending overt discrimination would improve the economic as well as legal status of minority groups. And at first this seemed to be happening. Over the course of the 1960s and 1970s substantial numbers of black families moved into the middle class, and even into the upper middle class; the percentage of black households in the top 20 percent of the income distribution nearly doubled.

But around 1980 the relative economic position of blacks in America stopped improving. Why? An important part of the answer, surely, is that circa 1980 income disparities in the United States began to widen dramatically, turning us into a society more unequal than at any time since the 1920s.

Think of the income distribution as a ladder, with different people on different rungs. Starting around 1980, the rungs began moving ever farther apart, adversely affecting black economic progress in two ways. First, because many blacks were still on the lower rungs, they were left behind as income at the top of the ladder soared while income near the bottom stagnated. Second, as the rungs moved farther apart, the ladder became harder to climb.

The Times recently reported on a well-established finding that still surprises many Americans when they hear about it: although we still see ourselves as the land of opportunity, we actually have less intergenerational economic mobility than other advanced nations. That is, the chances that someone born into a low-income family will end up with high income, or vice versa, are significantly lower here than in Canada or Europe.

And there’s every reason to believe that our low economic mobility has a lot to do with our high level of income inequality.

Last week Alan Krueger, chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, gave an important speech about income inequality, presenting a relationship he dubbed the “Great Gatsby Curve.” Highly unequal countries, he showed, have low mobility: the more unequal a society is, the greater the extent to which an individual’s economic status is determined by his or her parents’ status. And as Mr. Krueger pointed out, this relationship suggests that America in the year 2035 will have even less mobility than it has now, that it will be a place in which the economic prospects of children largely reflect the class into which they were born.

That is not a development we should meekly accept.

Mitt Romney says that we should discuss income inequality, if at all, only in “quiet rooms.” There was a time when people said the same thing about racial inequality. Luckily, however, there were people like Martin Luther King who refused to stay quiet. And we should follow their example today. For the fact is that rising inequality threatens to make America a different and worse place — and we need to reverse that trend to preserve both our values and our dreams.
by Paul Krugman
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/16-1
Paul Krugman!!!!!!!!!!!!!rofl


The Disciple of Keynes!


The Apostle Of Handouts!

One of the Architects of the Failed Stimulus!

Bestinshow's photo
Mon 01/16/12 10:29 AM


I have a dream,” declared Martin Luther King, in a speech that has lost none of its power to inspire. And some of that dream has come true. When King spoke in the summer of 1963, America was a nation that denied basic rights to millions of its citizens, simply because their skin was the wrong color. Today racism is no longer embedded in law. And while it has by no means been banished from the hearts of men, its grip is far weaker than once it was

To say the obvious: to look at a photo of President Obama with his cabinet is to see a degree of racial openness — and openness to women, too — that would have seemed almost inconceivable in 1963. When we observe Martin Luther King’s Birthday, we have something very real to celebrate: the civil rights movement was one of America’s finest hours, and it made us a nation truer to its own ideals.

Yet if King could see America now, I believe that he would be disappointed, and feel that his work was nowhere near done. He dreamed of a nation in which his children “will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” But what we actually became is a nation that judges people not by the color of their skin — or at least not as much as in the past — but by the size of their paychecks. And in America, more than in most other wealthy nations, the size of your paycheck is strongly correlated with the size of your father’s paycheck.

Goodbye Jim Crow, hello class system.

Economic inequality isn’t inherently a racial issue, and rising inequality would be disturbing even if there weren’t a racial dimension. But American society being what it is, there are racial implications to the way our incomes have been pulling apart. And in any case, King — who was campaigning for higher wages when he was assassinated — would surely have considered soaring inequality an evil to be opposed.

So, about that racial dimension: In the 1960s it was widely assumed that ending overt discrimination would improve the economic as well as legal status of minority groups. And at first this seemed to be happening. Over the course of the 1960s and 1970s substantial numbers of black families moved into the middle class, and even into the upper middle class; the percentage of black households in the top 20 percent of the income distribution nearly doubled.

But around 1980 the relative economic position of blacks in America stopped improving. Why? An important part of the answer, surely, is that circa 1980 income disparities in the United States began to widen dramatically, turning us into a society more unequal than at any time since the 1920s.

Think of the income distribution as a ladder, with different people on different rungs. Starting around 1980, the rungs began moving ever farther apart, adversely affecting black economic progress in two ways. First, because many blacks were still on the lower rungs, they were left behind as income at the top of the ladder soared while income near the bottom stagnated. Second, as the rungs moved farther apart, the ladder became harder to climb.

The Times recently reported on a well-established finding that still surprises many Americans when they hear about it: although we still see ourselves as the land of opportunity, we actually have less intergenerational economic mobility than other advanced nations. That is, the chances that someone born into a low-income family will end up with high income, or vice versa, are significantly lower here than in Canada or Europe.

And there’s every reason to believe that our low economic mobility has a lot to do with our high level of income inequality.

Last week Alan Krueger, chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, gave an important speech about income inequality, presenting a relationship he dubbed the “Great Gatsby Curve.” Highly unequal countries, he showed, have low mobility: the more unequal a society is, the greater the extent to which an individual’s economic status is determined by his or her parents’ status. And as Mr. Krueger pointed out, this relationship suggests that America in the year 2035 will have even less mobility than it has now, that it will be a place in which the economic prospects of children largely reflect the class into which they were born.

That is not a development we should meekly accept.

Mitt Romney says that we should discuss income inequality, if at all, only in “quiet rooms.” There was a time when people said the same thing about racial inequality. Luckily, however, there were people like Martin Luther King who refused to stay quiet. And we should follow their example today. For the fact is that rising inequality threatens to make America a different and worse place — and we need to reverse that trend to preserve both our values and our dreams.
by Paul Krugman
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/16-1
Paul Krugman!!!!!!!!!!!!!rofl


The Disciple of Keynes!


The Apostle Of Handouts!

One of the Architects of the Failed Stimulus!

Paul Krugman is professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University and a regular columnist for The New York Times. Krugman was the 2008 recipient of the Nobel Prize in Economics. He is the author of numerous books, including The Conscience of A Liberal, and his most recent, The Return of Depression Economics.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/16-1

InvictusV's photo
Mon 01/16/12 10:34 AM



I have a dream,” declared Martin Luther King, in a speech that has lost none of its power to inspire. And some of that dream has come true. When King spoke in the summer of 1963, America was a nation that denied basic rights to millions of its citizens, simply because their skin was the wrong color. Today racism is no longer embedded in law. And while it has by no means been banished from the hearts of men, its grip is far weaker than once it was

To say the obvious: to look at a photo of President Obama with his cabinet is to see a degree of racial openness — and openness to women, too — that would have seemed almost inconceivable in 1963. When we observe Martin Luther King’s Birthday, we have something very real to celebrate: the civil rights movement was one of America’s finest hours, and it made us a nation truer to its own ideals.

Yet if King could see America now, I believe that he would be disappointed, and feel that his work was nowhere near done. He dreamed of a nation in which his children “will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” But what we actually became is a nation that judges people not by the color of their skin — or at least not as much as in the past — but by the size of their paychecks. And in America, more than in most other wealthy nations, the size of your paycheck is strongly correlated with the size of your father’s paycheck.

Goodbye Jim Crow, hello class system.

Economic inequality isn’t inherently a racial issue, and rising inequality would be disturbing even if there weren’t a racial dimension. But American society being what it is, there are racial implications to the way our incomes have been pulling apart. And in any case, King — who was campaigning for higher wages when he was assassinated — would surely have considered soaring inequality an evil to be opposed.

So, about that racial dimension: In the 1960s it was widely assumed that ending overt discrimination would improve the economic as well as legal status of minority groups. And at first this seemed to be happening. Over the course of the 1960s and 1970s substantial numbers of black families moved into the middle class, and even into the upper middle class; the percentage of black households in the top 20 percent of the income distribution nearly doubled.

But around 1980 the relative economic position of blacks in America stopped improving. Why? An important part of the answer, surely, is that circa 1980 income disparities in the United States began to widen dramatically, turning us into a society more unequal than at any time since the 1920s.

Think of the income distribution as a ladder, with different people on different rungs. Starting around 1980, the rungs began moving ever farther apart, adversely affecting black economic progress in two ways. First, because many blacks were still on the lower rungs, they were left behind as income at the top of the ladder soared while income near the bottom stagnated. Second, as the rungs moved farther apart, the ladder became harder to climb.

The Times recently reported on a well-established finding that still surprises many Americans when they hear about it: although we still see ourselves as the land of opportunity, we actually have less intergenerational economic mobility than other advanced nations. That is, the chances that someone born into a low-income family will end up with high income, or vice versa, are significantly lower here than in Canada or Europe.

And there’s every reason to believe that our low economic mobility has a lot to do with our high level of income inequality.

Last week Alan Krueger, chairman of the president’s Council of Economic Advisers, gave an important speech about income inequality, presenting a relationship he dubbed the “Great Gatsby Curve.” Highly unequal countries, he showed, have low mobility: the more unequal a society is, the greater the extent to which an individual’s economic status is determined by his or her parents’ status. And as Mr. Krueger pointed out, this relationship suggests that America in the year 2035 will have even less mobility than it has now, that it will be a place in which the economic prospects of children largely reflect the class into which they were born.

That is not a development we should meekly accept.

Mitt Romney says that we should discuss income inequality, if at all, only in “quiet rooms.” There was a time when people said the same thing about racial inequality. Luckily, however, there were people like Martin Luther King who refused to stay quiet. And we should follow their example today. For the fact is that rising inequality threatens to make America a different and worse place — and we need to reverse that trend to preserve both our values and our dreams.
by Paul Krugman
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/16-1
Paul Krugman!!!!!!!!!!!!!rofl


The Disciple of Keynes!


The Apostle Of Handouts!

One of the Architects of the Failed Stimulus!

Paul Krugman is professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University and a regular columnist for The New York Times. Krugman was the 2008 recipient of the Nobel Prize in Economics. He is the author of numerous books, including The Conscience of A Liberal, and his most recent, The Return of Depression Economics.

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/16-1


Yeah.. Uh.. Obama won the peace prize..

Haven't seen much on the old proverbial peace front..


Bestinshow's photo
Mon 01/16/12 04:10 PM

The Government runs the schools, where only 47% of black males graduate.

The Government sets a minimum wage of $7.25 / hour, which make anyone who cannot do $7.25 worth of work in an hour are unemployable.

The Government runs the school, where black males have a 53% failure rate and then they raised the minimum wage to $7.25 / hour to ensure that only the most competent high school students can get a job. This results in 40% unemployment of black males from 18-25 yo and a total unemployment rate of over 19%.

This isn't the fault of business owners or the "big corporations" or the rank and file of white America, it's the fault of do-good politicians who have hurt the African American community with their poorly thought out policies. The fact that black males have such a hard time getting job skills in their teens and early twenties, they often struggle throughout their lives.

When I go to a fast food place, I see teenage whites and adult blacks working there, rarely do I see a teenage black or an adult white. This is a tragedy engineered with good intentions by our well meaning politicians.
What a load of BS granted there are many people who are unemployable but I wonder how well you would do if you were handicapped by poverty.

I think I better back off this rotten comment till I cool down.

no photo
Mon 01/16/12 04:13 PM
I was raised dirt poor in a backwater town in Arkansas. I put myself through school. What little I have, I worked for.

Poverty isn't holding anyone back, what holds people back is lack of opportunity. And the ONLY institution in the USA that can deny people opportunities is the Government.

no photo
Mon 01/16/12 04:26 PM

think I better back off this rotten comment till I cool down.


What I posted is the absolute truth. If you are angry about it, I would imagine it's because you are more concerned about the public appearance of these destructive policies than you are about the actual results of the policies.

Bestinshow's photo
Tue 01/17/12 12:55 AM
Edited by Bestinshow on Tue 01/17/12 12:56 AM
So many rags to riches stories involve people of all races. Your certainly not unique.
your certainly not verry cosmopolitian either.

I trained a black dude at my work to be a cnc lathe operator and he came from one of the worst gettos in cleveland and you would never ever know it. He took courses on lathes prior to working at my company but they were not CNC old technology so way differant.


I was trained by black people in my 2o years at my company learning about every job their was and I have found little differance in blacks or whites at my place of employment you sink or swim on merrit.

Your figures are rather twisted in the fact that in many poor areas people do not have the introductory jobs that are offered in the suburbs like Mcdonalds or mall workers.

In raisieing my son I had to threaten to take away his pickup to get a job so he at least could get some work experience while attending high school. If those introductory jobs do not exist as in the case of an inner city of course those folks will be handicaped in future employment.


InvictusV's photo
Tue 01/17/12 04:56 AM

So many rags to riches stories involve people of all races. Your certainly not unique.
your certainly not verry cosmopolitian either.

I trained a black dude at my work to be a cnc lathe operator and he came from one of the worst gettos in cleveland and you would never ever know it. He took courses on lathes prior to working at my company but they were not CNC old technology so way differant.


I was trained by black people in my 2o years at my company learning about every job their was and I have found little differance in blacks or whites at my place of employment you sink or swim on merrit.

Your figures are rather twisted in the fact that in many poor areas people do not have the introductory jobs that are offered in the suburbs like Mcdonalds or mall workers.

In raisieing my son I had to threaten to take away his pickup to get a job so he at least could get some work experience while attending high school. If those introductory jobs do not exist as in the case of an inner city of course those folks will be handicaped in future employment.




Your theory is that a lack of Mc Donalds and malls is the reason people from poor areas are poor and not lack of education?

Wow..


Bestinshow's photo
Tue 01/17/12 01:04 PM


So many rags to riches stories involve people of all races. Your certainly not unique.
your certainly not verry cosmopolitian either.

I trained a black dude at my work to be a cnc lathe operator and he came from one of the worst gettos in cleveland and you would never ever know it. He took courses on lathes prior to working at my company but they were not CNC old technology so way differant.


I was trained by black people in my 2o years at my company learning about every job their was and I have found little differance in blacks or whites at my place of employment you sink or swim on merrit.

Your figures are rather twisted in the fact that in many poor areas people do not have the introductory jobs that are offered in the suburbs like Mcdonalds or mall workers.

In raisieing my son I had to threaten to take away his pickup to get a job so he at least could get some work experience while attending high school. If those introductory jobs do not exist as in the case of an inner city of course those folks will be handicaped in future employment.




Your theory is that a lack of Mc Donalds and malls is the reason people from poor areas are poor and not lack of education?

Wow..


Realy How did you interpret that? People who have never worked do not develope work habbits. Who would your hire? someone with a proven track record of being at work on time with a work history or someone who has never had the opertunity to work? DUH

I have no idea how you twisted around what I said.