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I was of the mind that they were related but it seems not.
Libertarianism It’s the politics of pure selfishness, even more than Thatcherism. It’s an economic theory based in the main on the objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand, a Russian émigré to the US in the early 20th Century, who bought wholesale into the American Dream, and whose ideas were basically an attempt to legitimise her overwhelming sense of superiority. Simply put, objectivism states that creators, innovators and other ‘great men’ owe nothing to the human heard whom they supposedly support, and that they are justified in exploiting them. http://ind.pn/wfswA7 |
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I was of the mind that they were related but it seems not. Libertarianism It’s the politics of pure selfishness, even more than Thatcherism. It’s an economic theory based in the main on the objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand, a Russian émigré to the US in the early 20th Century, who bought wholesale into the American Dream, and whose ideas were basically an attempt to legitimise her overwhelming sense of superiority. Simply put, objectivism states that creators, innovators and other ‘great men’ owe nothing to the human heard whom they supposedly support, and that they are justified in exploiting them. http://ind.pn/wfswA7 It isn't Rand's Theory,and she didn't give it the Time of the Day! 
Libertarianism hasn't got Crap to do with Objectivism,regardless how much you'd like to link the two! 
and whoever wrote that little piece of yours hasn't got a Clue! 
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/libertarians.html |
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What a stupid description of Libertarianism.
Libertarianism = Liberal Leftist (called Liberals in the USA) = Authoritarians Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property-rights that people have naturally, before governments are created. In the libertarian view, all human relationships should be voluntary; the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against those who have not themselves used force-actions like murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, and fraud. |
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What a stupid description of Libertarianism. Libertarianism = Liberal Leftist (called Liberals in the USA) = Authoritarians Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property-rights that people have naturally, before governments are created. In the libertarian view, all human relationships should be voluntary; the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against those who have not themselves used force-actions like murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, and fraud. |
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What a stupid description of Libertarianism. Definitely. Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property-rights that people have naturally, before governments are created. In the libertarian view, all human relationships should be voluntary; the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against those who have not themselves used force-actions like murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, and fraud.  Those value ought to be a part of any decent political ideology.
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What a stupid description of Libertarianism. Definitely. Libertarianism is the view that each person has the right to live his life in any way he chooses so long as he respects the equal rights of others. Libertarians defend each person's right to life, liberty, and property-rights that people have naturally, before governments are created. In the libertarian view, all human relationships should be voluntary; the only actions that should be forbidden by law are those that involve the initiation of force against those who have not themselves used force-actions like murder, rape, robbery, kidnapping, and fraud. Those value ought to be a part of any decent political ideology.
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Libertarianism is properly called "Classical Liberalism". The word "liberal" originally applied to the beliefs that are adhered to by libertarians. Modern Liberalism is the authoritarian belief that the Government should be injected into nearly every aspect of life to ensure "equality", "public safety", "public good" and "social justice".
You won't find any libertarians who support smoking bans, but many "liberals" and "conservatives" see nothing wrong with telling a bar owner he can't smoke in his own bar. |
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Libertarianism is to conservatism what communism is to social democracy; both exist on the left-right continuum in a certain way, but they’re both so extreme they’ve fallen off the edge. Libertarianism is the rightist id pushed to its logical conclusion, the politics of pure selfishness.
Now we Know.....
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Thu 01/12/12 07:54 AM
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Libertarianism is to conservatism what communism is to social democracy; both exist on the left-right continuum in a certain way, but they’re both so extreme they’ve fallen off the edge. Libertarianism is the rightist id pushed to its logical conclusion, the politics of pure selfishness. Now we Know.....
Only a european would claim espousing liberty and freedom to be on the fringe.. Good God Man... |
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Libertarianism is to conservatism what communism is to social democracy; both exist on the left-right continuum in a certain way, but they’re both so extreme they’ve fallen off the edge. Libertarianism is the rightist id pushed to its logical conclusion, the politics of pure selfishness. Now we Know.....
Only a european would claim espousing liberty and freedom to be on the fringe.. Good God Man... Libertarianism is a curiously American affliction, which never really took hold on the British political psyche. |
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Libertarianism is to conservatism what communism is to social democracy; both exist on the left-right continuum in a certain way, but they’re both so extreme they’ve fallen off the edge. Libertarianism is the rightist id pushed to its logical conclusion, the politics of pure selfishness. Now we Know.....
Only a european would claim espousing liberty and freedom to be on the fringe.. Good God Man... Libertarianism is a curiously American affliction, which never really took hold on the British political psyche. Well.. The Monarchist run empire state wasn't too popular here either.. In case you didn't know.. |
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Edited by
Optomistic69
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Thu 01/12/12 08:05 AM
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Well.. The Monarchist run empire state wasn't too popular here either.. In case you didn't know.. They are still pulling strings...
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Libertarianism is a curiously American affliction, which never really took hold on the British political psyche. Libertarianism (classical liberalism) was the dominating philosophy in British Politics until the first world war. Some of the most important early writers about classical liberalism were John Locke and Adam Smith, maybe you've heard of them. |
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Libertarianism is a curiously American affliction, which never really took hold on the British political psyche. Libertarianism (classical liberalism) was the dominating philosophy in British Politics until the first world war. Some of the most important early writers about classical liberalism were John Locke and Adam Smith, maybe you've heard of them. Locke Briefly...Adam Smith yes....
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The libertarians (I am among them) have split into numerous factions over the years. The Objectivist movement is very new in relation to the libertarian movement. Rand herself thoroughly disliked libertarians. Regardless, many libertarians embrace Objectivism (such as the folks at Reason Magazine). It's not a bad philosophy per se, and much can be learned from it. I myself pick and choose which elements of it that I like.
There are a lot of libertarian resources out there, but the biggest and best, IMO, is the Mises Institute. Their website is mises.org. You can read voluminous libertarian and classical liberal literature 100% free in pdf form and you can order print versions of most of their stuff via Amazon. They also have a discussion forum in which you can ask questions about all things libertarian and participate in discussions. hth, HB34
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Libertarianism is a curiously American affliction, which never really took hold on the British political psyche. Libertarianism (classical liberalism) was the dominating philosophy in British Politics until the first world war. Some of the most important early writers about classical liberalism were John Locke and Adam Smith, maybe you've heard of them. I like Locke myself. If you ever pick up J.S. Mill's stuff, focus on "On Liberty". "Utilitarianism" is pretty weak and not that useful, IMO. |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Thu 01/12/12 11:21 AM
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The libertarians (I am among them) have split into numerous factions over the years. The Objectivist movement is very new in relation to the libertarian movement. Rand herself thoroughly disliked libertarians. Regardless, many libertarians embrace Objectivism (such as the folks at Reason Magazine). It's not a bad philosophy per se, and much can be learned from it. I myself pick and choose which elements of it that I like. There are a lot of libertarian resources out there, but the biggest and best, IMO, is the Mises Institute. Their website is mises.org. You can read voluminous libertarian and classical liberal literature 100% free in pdf form and you can order print versions of most of their stuff via Amazon. They also have a discussion forum in which you can ask questions about all things libertarian and participate in discussions. hth, HB34
http://mises.org/daily Causes Keynesians to make the Sign of the Cross! 
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The libertarians (I am among them) have split into numerous factions over the years. The Objectivist movement is very new in relation to the libertarian movement. Rand herself thoroughly disliked libertarians. Regardless, many libertarians embrace Objectivism (such as the folks at Reason Magazine). It's not a bad philosophy per se, and much can be learned from it. I myself pick and choose which elements of it that I like. There are a lot of libertarian resources out there, but the biggest and best, IMO, is the Mises Institute. Their website is mises.org. You can read voluminous libertarian and classical liberal literature 100% free in pdf form and you can order print versions of most of their stuff via Amazon. They also have a discussion forum in which you can ask questions about all things libertarian and participate in discussions. hth, HB34
http://mises.org/daily Causes Keynesians to make the Sign of the Cross!
And Krugman to blow his mind!
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Libertarianism and liberalism are pretty dissimilar. Libertarians, in my view, just want to be left alone and ideally would prefer no government (but I may be oversimplifying). Liberals believe in using governmental power to improve individuals' lives. I often think that libertarians have a strong anarchist tendency, but without the destructive attitude of the true 19th-century anarchists.
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