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I was reading that in 2006 some parts of the act have been squashed and there is a bill going to Obama to scrap a lot more of this act.
Personally I think the whole act is garbage and unnecessary. We have the United Stated Coast Guard and anyone ranked Seaman and up are considered Federal Law Enforcement Agents and are also considered a military unit. They have been doing A LOT of law enforcement work for us over the years, some we know about and some we dont but it's all been good work. Also since 9/11 Coast Guardsmen have acted as Federal Marshals on air plane flights. Again, no problems there. Just think, with the threat we now face Hijacking, WMD attack, Sniper Spree ect. Who would you rather have handle it? Some hick cop who has about 3-6 trainning in classes or people like Delta Force, Seals, Force Recon, Coast Guard D.O.G or the Air Force special forces who train every hour of every day for theses situations and are very successful at doing their job. |
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I was reading that in 2006 some parts of the act have been squashed and there is a bill going to Obama to scrap a lot more of this act. Personally I think the whole act is garbage and unnecessary. We have the United Stated Coast Guard and anyone ranked Seaman and up are considered Federal Law Enforcement Agents and are also considered a military unit. They have been doing A LOT of law enforcement work for us over the years, some we know about and some we dont but it's all been good work. Also since 9/11 Coast Guardsmen have acted as Federal Marshals on air plane flights. Again, no problems there. Just think, with the threat we now face Hijacking, WMD attack, Sniper Spree ect. Who would you rather have handle it? Some hick cop who has about 3-6 trainning in classes or people like Delta Force, Seals, Force Recon, Coast Guard D.O.G or the Air Force special forces who train every hour of every day for theses situations and are very successful at doing their job. It seems the Act as it is,has holes in it big enough for Obama,or any other POTUS to drive Battleships through! |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress.
The statute only addresses the US Army and the US Air Force. It does not refer to, and thus does not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States. The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive, (self-regulation,) not by the Act itself.[1][2] Although it is a military force,[3] the U.S. Coast Guard, which now operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. As of December 3, 2011, the Posse Comitatus Act is under threat of repeal from the National Defense Authorization Act.[4]WIKI http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012 The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012 has been passed by the United States Senate.[1] Debate over, and a vote rejecting, an amendment to the Act drafted by U.S. Senator Mark Udall has left open the possibility of indefinite detention of terrorism suspects as defined in Title X, Subtitle D, SEC 1031(b) of the bill.[2] Opponents of the bill have made accusations that it allows for the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens, and as such has received attention by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and media sources.[3][4][5] As currently written, the NDAA text affirms the authority to detain "a person who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces" under "the law of war without trial until the end of hostilities," and authorizes "transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity."[6] The Udall Amendment[7] forbidding the indefinite detention of U.S. citizens was rejected by a vote of 38-60.[8] A later amendment to preserve current law concerning U.S. citizens, lawful resident aliens, and others captured within the United States, sponsored by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, was accepted 99 to 1;[9] Senators Carl Levin, Lindsey Graham and others have argued that current law authorizes indefinite detention of American citizens detained in the United States; Dianne Feinstein is among those who have argued that it does not. The White House has threatened to veto the Act,[10] arguing that "the authorities granted by the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists, including the detention authority, are essential to our ability to protect the American people... Because the authorities codified in this section already exist, the Administration does not believe codification is necessary and poses some risk."WIKI |
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![]() I should have "quoted" that comment... wasn't directed @ you Conrad. I agree with your statement! |
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Edited by
Conrad_73
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Fri 12/09/11 04:21 AM
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![]() I should have "quoted" that comment... wasn't directed @ you Conrad. I agree with your statement! ![]() ![]() |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. If that were the case you would most likely be dead anyway.... BUT..... The big question would be..... If they are SOOOOOOO good at protecting us in the first place.... HOW WOULD THE HIJACKER GET THERE? |
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BESIDES..... The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress. The statute only addresses the US Army and the US Air Force. It does not refer to, and thus does not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States. The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive, (self-regulation,) not by the Act itself.[1][2] Although it is a military force,[3] the U.S. Coast Guard, which now operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. Has nothing to do with your definition! |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. If that were the case you would most likely be dead anyway.... BUT..... The big question would be..... If they are SOOOOOOO good at protecting us in the first place.... HOW WOULD THE HIJACKER GET THERE? You might be dead anyways, but you would atleast have a fighting chance having someone who trains every day of their life for a situation like that and has probably been in a few simular situations over the years being deployed. The TSA isn't perfect, they slip up a lot AND terrorists are creative. I guarantee that if there were a member from one of the units I listed above on each of the planes on 9/11 the worst terrorist attack on US Soil would have been avioded or not as bad. Hell, one of the plains didn't hit the capitol or another crowded area because a group of UNTRAINED passengers fought the terrorists to take the plane back, imagine if a Special Forces operator was on it with the knowledge and experience they have, not to mention they would be armed and equipped. |
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BESIDES..... The Posse Comitatus Act is the United States federal law (18 U.S.C. § 1385) that was passed on June 18, 1878, after the end of Reconstruction. Its intent (in concert with the Insurrection Act of 1807) was to limit the powers of local governments and law enforcement agencies from using federal military personnel to enforce the laws of the land. Contrary to popular belief, the Act does not prohibit members of the Army from exercising state law enforcement, police, or peace officer powers that maintain "law and order"; it simply requires that any orders to do so must originate with the United States Constitution or Act of Congress. The statute only addresses the US Army and the US Air Force. It does not refer to, and thus does not implicitly apply to nor restrict units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States. The Navy and Marine Corps are prohibited by a Department of Defense directive, (self-regulation,) not by the Act itself.[1][2] Although it is a military force,[3] the U.S. Coast Guard, which now operates under the Department of Homeland Security, is also not covered by the Posse Comitatus Act. Has nothing to do with your definition! The hell it does. What I am talking about is having members of the military acting as a law enforcement agent in a variety of high risk areas like plaines, trains, borders, ships major landmarks etc. ALl of which would be a violation of the act. |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. If that were the case you would most likely be dead anyway.... BUT..... The big question would be..... If they are SOOOOOOO good at protecting us in the first place.... HOW WOULD THE HIJACKER GET THERE? You might be dead anyways, but you would atleast have a fighting chance having someone who trains every day of their life for a situation like that and has probably been in a few simular situations over the years being deployed. The TSA isn't perfect, they slip up a lot AND terrorists are creative. I guarantee that if there were a member from one of the units I listed above on each of the planes on 9/11 the worst terrorist attack on US Soil would have been avioded or not as bad. Hell, one of the plains didn't hit the capitol or another crowded area because a group of UNTRAINED passengers fought the terrorists to take the plane back, imagine if a Special Forces operator was on it with the knowledge and experience they have, not to mention they would be armed and equipped. WOW! You were there and know all your info based on fact? ![]() You have to believe the "official" story to believe the premise.... I'm smarter than that! I won't believe a theory without some fact to base it on. Theirs has TOO MANY holes! |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. If that were the case you would most likely be dead anyway.... BUT..... The big question would be..... If they are SOOOOOOO good at protecting us in the first place.... HOW WOULD THE HIJACKER GET THERE? You might be dead anyways, but you would atleast have a fighting chance having someone who trains every day of their life for a situation like that and has probably been in a few simular situations over the years being deployed. The TSA isn't perfect, they slip up a lot AND terrorists are creative. I guarantee that if there were a member from one of the units I listed above on each of the planes on 9/11 the worst terrorist attack on US Soil would have been avioded or not as bad. Hell, one of the plains didn't hit the capitol or another crowded area because a group of UNTRAINED passengers fought the terrorists to take the plane back, imagine if a Special Forces operator was on it with the knowledge and experience they have, not to mention they would be armed and equipped. WOW! You were there and know all your info based on fact? ![]() You have to believe the "official" story to believe the premise.... I'm smarter than that! I won't believe a theory without some fact to base it on. Theirs has TOO MANY holes! Oh $h%^. Your a truther also? Figures.................. |
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I'm proud to be a "truther" as you put it. It means I don't believe every BS lie that comes down the pike from Faux News and the war machine.... unlike some people, I use my gray matter for something other than drooling and following... it's called independent thinking. I don't need anyone to give me an opinion, give me facts and I'll believe, come at me with BS and it smells enough to merit disbelief. |
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Fri 12/09/11 11:52 AM
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I'm proud to be a "truther" as you put it. It means I don't believe every BS lie that comes down the pike from Faux News and the war machine.... unlike some people, I use my gray matter for something other than drooling and following... it's called independent thinking. I don't need anyone to give me an opinion, give me facts and I'll believe, come at me with BS and it smells enough to merit disbelief. So the videos of the three planes hitting the buildings and the wreckage of the aircraft, the families of the lost, the thousnands of eye witnesses and the admissions of the guilty arn't enough for you? |
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. Personally I think the regular United States citizns did a fantastic job on downing that plane in PA....no military forces necessary. When the United States comes to the point where you can take a person right off the streets no on knowing, no attorney to fight for you rights, and no speedy trial it's a travesty, illegal, and against the Bill of Rights and Constitution. |
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Edited by
Lpdon
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Sat 12/10/11 01:35 AM
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Please take your anti-American citizen - Pro-police state act somewhere else! America is the land of the FREE not the home of the SLAVE! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() If you were on a Hijacked Airplae with nutbags screaming "Allauh Ackbar!" Would you want some rookie Federal Agent who may have 6 months of training and no hands on experience or a battle hardened Navy Seal, Delta Force or Marine Force Recon on the plane? I know who I would choose and it wouldn't be the Federal Agent. Personally I think the regular United States citizns did a fantastic job on downing that plane in PA....no military forces necessary. When the United States comes to the point where you can take a person right off the streets no on knowing, no attorney to fight for you rights, and no speedy trial it's a travesty, illegal, and against the Bill of Rights and Constitution. I never said the heroic citizens did a bad job, I simply stated it would have been a lot better outcome if there were a member or two on board. I bet every passenger would have landed safely and there wouldn't be a massive loss of life that there was that day. |
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