Topic: Prepping Americans for an Iran War
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Sun 12/04/11 06:44 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 06:48 AM


U.N. Agency Says Iran Data Points to A-Bomb Work
By DAVID E. SANGER and WILLIAM J. BROAD
Published: November 8, 2011

United Nations weapons inspectors have amassed a trove of new evidence that they say makes a “credible” case that “Iran has carried out activities relevant to the development of a nuclear device,” and that the project may still be under way.


Document: The I.A.E.A. Report on Iran (pdf)

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The long-awaited report, released by the International Atomic Energy Agency on Tuesday, represents the strongest judgment the agency has issued in its decade-long struggle to pierce the secrecy surrounding the Iranian program. The findings, drawn from evidence of far greater scope and depth than the agency has previously made public, have already rekindled a debate among the Western allies and Israel about whether increased diplomatic pressure, sanctions, sabotage or military action could stop Iran’s program.

Knowing that their findings would be compared with the flawed Iraq intelligence that preceded the 2003 invasion — and has complicated American moves on Iran — the inspectors devoted a section of the report to “credibility of information.” The information was from more than 10 countries and from independent sources, they said; some was backed up by interviews with foreigners who had helped Iran.

The report laid out the case that Iran had moved far beyond the blackboard to create computer models of nuclear explosions in 2008 and 2009 and conducted experiments on nuclear triggers. It said the simulations focused on how shock waves from conventional explosives could compress the spherical fuel at the core of a nuclear device, which starts the chain reaction that ends in nuclear explosion.

The report also said Iran went beyond such theoretical studies to build a large containment vessel at its Parchin military base, starting in 2000, for testing the feasibility of such explosive compression. It called such tests “strong indicators of possible weapon development.”

Read the full article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/world/un-details-case-that-iran-is-at-work-on-nuclear-device.html?_r=1&ref=global-home

Wasn't there 'credible' evidence that iraq had weapons of mass destruction?


Not "from more than 10 countries and from independent sources, they
said; some was backed up by interviews with foreigners who had
helped Iran." and backed up by the IAEA.

They were well aware that they would face such criticism so were
especially careful in vetting their information.

Here - read the full report. It's public!

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/2011/IAEA-Nov-2011-Report-Iran.pdf?ref=world


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Sun 12/04/11 06:47 AM

Wasn't there 'credible' evidence that iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

Nope,actually it was the Failure of Saddam to comply with the Conditions of the Ceasefire,among which was that he had to prove the WMD were indeed destroyed!
Which was one of the many other non-Compliance s !

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Sun 12/04/11 06:50 AM


Wasn't there 'credible' evidence that iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

Nope,actually it was the Failure of Saddam to comply with the Conditions of the Ceasefire,among which was that he had to prove the WMD were indeed destroyed!
Which was one of the many other non-Compliance s !


I specifically remember Bush telling
the nation that Iraq does have wmd.

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Sun 12/04/11 06:58 AM



Wasn't there 'credible' evidence that iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

Nope,actually it was the Failure of Saddam to comply with the Conditions of the Ceasefire,among which was that he had to prove the WMD were indeed destroyed!
Which was one of the many other non-Compliance s !


I specifically remember Bush telling
the nation that Iraq does have wmd.


That has nothing to do with the IAEA report on Iran. Read it first!

Iran is not Iraq.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/2011/IAEA-Nov-2011-Report-Iran.pdf?ref=world


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Sun 12/04/11 07:00 AM

Doesn't sound like an attack on American soil, and if they "do" get a bomb then how do they deliver it? They have no Air Force, No Navy, No long range missles....

Why should we get involved? Because Isreali and UK oil interests lobbyists say so?

F%#K ISREAL and the whole of the ME! If they want to kill each other , FINE, but don't get my money, my gov't, my kids or my grandkids involved in the BS banker oil enterprise!

It IS just like Iraq, no matter how they try to spin it! Let the UK deal with it until it becomes a threat to the US (which it is NOT)!

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Sun 12/04/11 07:01 AM



Wasn't there 'credible' evidence that iraq had weapons of mass destruction?

Nope,actually it was the Failure of Saddam to comply with the Conditions of the Ceasefire,among which was that he had to prove the WMD were indeed destroyed!
Which was one of the many other non-Compliance s !


I specifically remember Bush telling
the nation that Iraq does have wmd.
Post us a link!

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 12/04/11 07:04 AM


Doesn't sound like an attack on American soil, and if they "do" get a bomb then how do they deliver it? They have no Air Force, No Navy, No long range missles....

Why should we get involved? Because Isreali and UK oil interests lobbyists say so?

F%#K ISREAL and the whole of the ME! If they want to kill each other , FINE, but don't get my money, my gov't, my kids or my grandkids involved in the BS banker oil enterprise!

It IS just like Iraq, no matter how they try to spin it! Let the UK deal with it until it becomes a threat to the US (which it is NOT)!
Straits of Hormuz and shipping of Oil to the US?US has enough interest in the ME and elsewhere that could be hit by Iranian Missiles!
Besides,a Missile isn't really necessary to deliver a Nuke!

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Sun 12/04/11 07:07 AM



Doesn't sound like an attack on American soil, and if they "do" get a bomb then how do they deliver it? They have no Air Force, No Navy, No long range missles....

Why should we get involved? Because Isreali and UK oil interests lobbyists say so?

F%#K ISREAL and the whole of the ME! If they want to kill each other , FINE, but don't get my money, my gov't, my kids or my grandkids involved in the BS banker oil enterprise!

It IS just like Iraq, no matter how they try to spin it! Let the UK deal with it until it becomes a threat to the US (which it is NOT)!
Straits of Hormuz and shipping of Oil to the US?US has enough interest in the ME and elsewhere that could be hit by Iranian Missiles!
Besides,a Missile isn't really necessary to deliver a Nuke!


Introduction

The U.S. State Department considers Iran the world's "most active state sponsor of terrorism." U.S. officials say Iran provides funding, weapons, training, and sanctuary to numerous terrorist groups--most notably in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Lebanon--posing a security concern to the international community. Iran's declarations that it has successfully enriched uranium and developed new missile technology have heightened alarm in the United States and other countries that the Islamic Republic might transfer weapons of mass destruction (PDF) to militants or armed groups. Iran's leaders, who deny allegations they support terrorism (DerSpiegel), assert their rights under an international treaty to pursue nuclear power and insist their efforts are for peaceful purposes. But the international community remains unconvinced, imposing a growing list of sanctions against Tehran. Financial pressure has been applied by the UN Security Council, the European Union, international financial bodies, and a number of individual countries, including the United States.
Does Iran sponsor terrorism?

The United States has accused Iran of sponsoring terrorist organizations for decades, but in the post-9/11 era, the allegations have taken on added significance. Despite Iran's assistance following the U.S.-led campaign to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan, Iran was labeled part of an axis of evil--which also included Iraq and North Korea--by President George W. Bush in 2002. In March 2006, U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said, "Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions like Lebanon through Hezbollah in the Middle East, in the Palestinian Territories, and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." For these reasons, in October 2007 the United States added Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) to its list of foreign terrorist organizations, and has continued to link economic sanctions to alleged support for militants. In June 2010, the UN Security Council approved a fourth round of sanctions, expanding on its list of targeted Iranian entities--including members of the IRGC.

"Iran has been the country that has been in many ways a kind of central banker for terrorism in important regions . . . and we have deep concerns about what Iran is doing in the south of Iraq." -- Condoleezza Rice, former U.S. Secretary of State

http://www.cfr.org/iran/state-sponsors-iran/p9362

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Sun 12/04/11 07:08 AM
Europe Unable to Find Alternative for Iran's Oil
TEHRAN - A senior official at the Iranian oil ministry downplayed the western attempts to impose sanctions onIran's oil sales, saying that the European countries can find no alternative source toreplace Iranian oil supplies.
"If Europeans could find an alternative for Iran's oil, they would definitely go for imposing sanctions against Iranian oil," an informed official at the ministry told FNAon Saturday.
He stressed that Europeans have no alternative for Iran's crude supplies, and said only Saudi Arabia and Iraq have excessive productioncapacity, while exploitation and production at Iraq's oil fields will take some years and Saudi Arabia is not also able to produce an extra 500,000 barrels of oil to replace Iran's daily supplies to Europe for a long time.
Even under the best conditions (for Tehran's opponents), Saudi Arabia will lose a part of its Asian market to make up for Iran's oil suppliesto the European markets if the EU decides to replace Iran with Saudi Arabia for meeting its energy needs, theofficial added.
Meantime, analysts and observers have warned that any sanctions on Iran's oil and gas sector will drastically hike up the global oil prices.
Oil rose towards$110 a barrel on Friday as the US and its western allies only discussed sanctions on Iran although a hot debate over embargos on Iranianoil supplies at the European Union failed to produce any result on Thursday.
Despite long hues and cries about new sanctions against Iran, the EU and the US could only enlist some more Iranian officials in their sanctions list on Thursday. Several members of the European bloc voiced opposition to any sanction on Iranian oil, pushing France, the most hawkish EU member,back.
Crisis-hit Greece has said 'No' to an EU oil ban on Iran, causing relief among other member states. Britain and France, the most hawkish EUcountries, failed to convince other member states to impose oil embargoson Iran.
The developments took place at an EU foreign ministers' meeting in Brussels on Thursday.
French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe said that Greece, which relies on Iranian oil, had objected to a ban on buying it. "Greece has put forward a number of reservations," Juppe said. "We have to take that into account."
Iran is a major energy exporter and presides of the Organization of Petroleum ExportingCountries (OPEC).

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Sun 12/04/11 07:11 AM
News number: 9007276179
17:30 | 2011-12-04 Nuclear
Iran Produces N. Fuel Needed for Tehran Research Reactor
TEHRAN - Iranian experts managed to producefuel supplies for the Tehran research reactor after enriching uranium to the purity level of 20%, sources announced on Sunday, adding that the home-produced fuel plates will soon be loaded into the reactor which is used for producing radioisotopes for medical use.
A report released by"The Nuclear Iran" website said the country has"finalized production of the 20-percent-enriched fuel for the Tehran research reactor" thanks to the effortsmade by a number of Iranian nuclear scientists and through relying on home grown know-how and technology.
The achievement came while the western states refrained from supplying nuclear fuel to Iran in a violation of their NPT (Non-Proliferation Treaty) undertakings.
On Thursday, Vice-Speaker of the Iranian Parliament Mohammad Reza Bahonar had said that the 20-percent-enriched fuel would be ready for injection into the Tehran research reactor in two months.
Late in October, Iranian Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Salehi said "around 70 kilograms of (20-percent-enriched) uranium had been produced in Iran" by then, according to the latest inventory report he had seen, dating from September.
In June, Iran's permanent representative to theInternational AtomicEnergy Agency (IAEA)Ali Asghar Soltaniyehsaid that Iran had produced over 50 kg of 20-percent-enriched uranium till then.
Soltaniyeh said that"we need 120 kg of enrichment up to 20 percent ... for Tehranreactor".
After western suppliers shrugged off Iran's request forthe supply of nuclear fuel for the Tehran research reactor, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ordered the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran (AEOI) to provide and install the necessary equipments to start enriching uranium to the purity level of 20% to feed the research reactor which produces radioisotopes for medicinal use.
The country on February 2, 2010, started injecting gas into a cascade of centrifuges to enrichuranium to the purity level of 20% to supply fuel for its research reactor, all under the supervision of the IAEA inspectors.
After Iran announced to the IAEA that it had run out of nuclear fuel for its research reactor in Tehran, the Agency proposeda deal according to which Iran would send 3.5%-enriched uranium and receive20-percent-enriched uranium from potential suppliers in return, all through the UN nuclear watchdog agency.
The proposal was first introduced on October 1, 2010, when Iranian representatives and diplomats from the Group 5+1 held high-level talks in Geneva.
But France and the United States, as potential suppliers, stalled the talks soon after the start. They offered a deal which would keep Tehran waiting for months before it could obtain the fuel, a luxury of timethat Iran could afford as it was about to run out of 20-percent-enriched uranium.
Iranian lawmakers rejected the deal after technical studies showed that it would only take two to three monthsfor any country to further enrich the nuclear stockpile and turn it into metal nuclear plates for the Tehran Research Reactor, while suppliers had announced that theywould not return fuel to Iran any less than seven months.
Iran then put forward its own proposal that envisaged a two-staged exchange. Accordingto Tehran's offer, theIAEA safeguards nearly one third of Iran's uranium stockpile inside the Iranian territory for the time that it takesto find a supplier. The western countries opposed Tehran's proposal.
After West's opposition to Iran's proposal, Iranian, Brazilian and Turkish officials on May 17, 2010, signedan agreement named the 'Tehran Declaration' which presented a solutionto a longstanding standoff between Iran and potential suppliers of nuclear fuel. According to the agreement, Iran would send some 1200 kg of its 3.5% enriched uranium toTurkey in exchange for a total 120 kg of 20% enriched fuel.
But again the western countries showed a negative and surprising reaction to the Tehran Declaration and sponsored a sanctions resolution against Iran at the UN Security Council instead of taking theopportunity presented by the agreement.
Russia, France, and the US, in three separate letters, instead of giving a definite response to the Tehran Declaration, raised some questions about the deal, and the US took a draft sanctions resolution against Iran to the UN Security Council, which was later approved by the Council.
Iran in a letter responded to the questions raised by the Vienna Group onthe Tehran Declaration and voiced its preparedness to hold talks.
In a later move, IAEA Director-General Yukiya Amano proposed a plan to resume talks between the two sides, and Iran's former Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottakiannounced Tehran's agreement with Amano's proposal.
"Iran is ready to takepart in the meeting brokered by Amano,"the then Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottakisaid.
Yet, the western suppliers postponed the meeting, makingit unclear if they would ever start considering Iran's request seriously.
Accordingly, Iran announced that it would continue domestic enrichment plans to supply fuel for its reactor as it would never allow the western powers to play games or trample upon its rights in exchange for nuclear fuel.
http://english.farsnews.net/newstext.php?nn=9007276179
what

Conrad_73's photo
Sun 12/04/11 07:28 AM
well,we're sitting here jawing,but in the Final Analasys whatever happens,happens!

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Sun 12/04/11 08:10 AM
Edited by s1owhand on Sun 12/04/11 08:14 AM
A couple of choice Ahmadinejad videos calling for genocide
just like the guy from Germany with the little moustache
and also annihilation of the U.S.

People at one time didn't take the Third Reich seriously either.

http://youtu.be/5hLDjGdJC0Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FckLO8HcNyo

The documentary about radical Islam's war with the West.
For further reference. Yes, the threat is very genuine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gMLJJEDDDGc


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Sun 12/04/11 08:27 AM


What an outright lie...

"The Military Industrial Complex is profiting (just as Eisenhower predicted). It's almost surprising that the misinformation about Iranians wanting to destroy other countries is still going around the webbernets. I guess propaganda is more fun to believe in that the truth."...

I have watched the man who claims to be the President of Iran speak.

He spoke at the United Nations.

I read news from all over the world.(some ligt some 'other' sources)

Not a single interpration of his speach agrees with what you posted.

His stated goal was to use a nuclear weapon to wipe out Israel.

Perhaps you should try other than conspericy nets. (there is a wealth of REAL information out there)


Mate stop.calling iran a terrorist country, anyone can say america is just as big a terrorist country with all they have done and caused like going into iraq with no evidence etc infact did u knw one of the british offical hu went out there go check for nukes was killed by its own.government becoz he was against the attack and wanted to give evidence that there was nothing there, internet is part of media and most ppl big fish networks can use it to fly properganda on to all and any sites the media hides the truth most times n israel well what they do s really bad to the pallestinians but no one calls that an act of terror lol god help this world




:thumbsup:

Just because the military industrial complex is profiting that
does not mean that the threat from terrorist countries like Iran
is not real.

The threat of Iran is real.

It is important to take it seriously when religious fanatics who
have said they want to destroy the United States are going crazy
trying to stockpile weapons grade uranium and are concealing their
vigorous nuclear bomb research.

There is genuinely cause for concern since Iran also supplies arms
to Islamic radicals attacking US troops in Afghanistan and Iraq,
calls for genocide against Jews and Israel, oppresses their own
citizens with public violence, hosts conferences denying the
Holocaust, takes our citizens hostage, and ignores signed peace
agreements while lying to the IAEA about their nuclear activities
while promoting "Holy War".

Not a good idea for Iranian religious fanatics who say that Allah
is with them and against all others who have differing views
to have a nuclear weapons stockpile. "Allahu Akbar" - y'know?



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Sun 12/04/11 08:55 AM
Iran cleric wants 'special weapons' to deter enemy

TEHRAN, Iran (AP) - The hardline spiritual mentor of Iran's president has made a rare public call for producing the "special weapons" that are a monopoly of a few nations—a veiled reference to nuclear arms.

The Associated Press on Monday obtained a copy of a book written by Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah Yazdi in which he wrote Iran should not deprive itself of the right to produce these "special weapons."

Iran's government, as well as its clerical hierarchy, have repeatedly denied the country is seeking nuclear weapons, as alleged by the U.S. and its allies.

The Security Council last week imposed a fourth round of sanctions in response to Tehran's refusal to halt uranium enrichment, which Iran maintains is only for its nuclear energy program, but could conceivably be used to produce material for weapons.

The new U.N. sanctions call for an asset freeze of another 40 additional companies and organizations, including 22 involved in nuclear or ballistic missile activities.

Yazdi's book, "The Islamic Revolution, a Surge in Political Changes in History," was written in 2005 and then reprinted last year, but would have only had a very limited circulation among senior clerics and would not have been widely known.

"The most advanced weapons must be produced inside our country even if our enemies don't like it. There is no reason that they have the right to produce a special type of weapons, while other countries are deprived of it," Yazdi said.

Yazdi is a member of the Assembly of Experts, a conservative body of 86 senior clerics that monitors Iran's supreme leader and chooses his successor. He also heads the Imam Khomeini Educational and Research Institute, an Islamic think tank, in the holy city of Qom, 80 miles (130 kilometers) south of the capital.

The radical cleric doesn't speak for the Iranian government but his remarks are regarded as reflecting the mentality of at least part of Iran's clerical elite, which influences the country's decision makers.

In his book, Yazdi said Iran must acquire the necessary deterrent weapons in order to be able to stand up to its enemies.

"Under Islamic teachings, all common tools and materialistic instruments must be employed against the enemy and prevent enemy's military superiority," he said.

He also said Muslims must not allow a few powers to monopolize certain weapons in their arsenal.

"From Islam's point of view, Muslims must make efforts to benefit from the most sophisticated military equipment and get specific weapons out of the monopoly of powerful countries," he said.

The last time a high ranking official made such remarks was in 2005 when Mohammad Javad Larijani, now a senior judiciary official, said Islam has not tied Iran's hands in producing nuclear weapons.

But Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say on all state matters, has repeatedly denied that Tehran was seeking nuclear weapons because Islam forbids weapons of mass destruction.

Khamenei has reportedly issued a fatwa, or religious decree, saying the production, stockpiling and use of nuclear weapons was forbidden under Islam.

In May, a senior reformist cleric warned about the increasing power of Yazdi and his loyalists within the ruling system, calling them "a very dangerous and harsh current who won't show mercy to anybody."

Earlier this month, a hardline website called Yazdi an "Imam", a title given only to Shiite Islam's saints and the founder of the Islamic Republic, the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini. Such a title has not been awarded to Khamenei, Iran's current leader.

Copyright 2010 The Associated Press.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9GB6GBO0&show_article=1

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Sun 12/04/11 09:13 AM

A couple of choice Ahmadinejad videos calling for genocide
just like the guy from Germany with the little moustache
and also annihilation of the U.S.

People at one time didn't take the Third Reich seriously either.




laugh laugh laugh

An ant once attacked my foot for being too close to its home too.

Brave little fellow as long as he lasted. laugh laugh

He was trying to annihilate me. rofl rofl

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Sun 12/04/11 09:15 AM
Once I turned over a bail of hay and found a mouse's nest with little baby mice. A brave little mouse came out of somewhere and attacked my rake.

I wonder what she was thinking?laugh laugh

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Sun 12/04/11 09:15 AM


A couple of choice Ahmadinejad videos calling for genocide
just like the guy from Germany with the little moustache
and also annihilation of the U.S.

People at one time didn't take the Third Reich seriously either.




laugh laugh laugh

An ant once attacked my foot for being too close to its home too.

Brave little fellow as long as he lasted. laugh laugh

He was trying to annihilate me. rofl rofl


So we should let the Iranians try to kill the Jews, because you don't think they can succeed? Tell me again about how you don't hate the Jews.

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Sun 12/04/11 09:18 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sun 12/04/11 09:20 AM



A couple of choice Ahmadinejad videos calling for genocide
just like the guy from Germany with the little moustache
and also annihilation of the U.S.

People at one time didn't take the Third Reich seriously either.




laugh laugh laugh

An ant once attacked my foot for being too close to its home too.

Brave little fellow as long as he lasted. laugh laugh

He was trying to annihilate me. rofl rofl


So we should let the Iranians try to kill the Jews, because you don't think they can succeed? Tell me again about how you don't hate the Jews.


I love Jews! (they aren't half as annoying as the 700 club Christians.) I think if Israel and America attack a small defenseless country people might start hating Jews and Americans.

I say Israel and America because America is always totally behind that aggression. The weapons are made here. We cooperate and work with Mossad all the time.

Don't you watch NCIS??laugh laugh laugh


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Sun 12/04/11 09:25 AM
Who Will Pay for the War? Taxpayers? Are You Ready ?

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Sun 12/04/11 09:29 AM

Who Will Pay for the War? Taxpayers? Are You Ready ?


They are not getting any of my cash. laugh

Black OPs are sometimes financed by illegal arms and drugs deals. Just ask the CIA. :wink: