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Edited by
MorningSong
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"In the past God spoke to our
forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven" (Hebrews 1:1-3). ........... "....SUSTAINING ALL THINGS BY HIS POWERFUL WORD..." WOW. iF scientists ever grabbed hold of the meaning of just this one scripture alone, they would discover the "missing key" to what they are looking for........  <<< celestial tea...
 
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Edited by
MorningSong
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Why are you on here representing Christianity then ? Why...... If it makes you feel any better MorningSong, I doubt that too many people actually view Cowboy as a representative of Christianity. I never have. Also for whatever it's worth, your explanations for questions I have concerning the Bible make far more sense than anything Cowboy has ever offered. I can actually see how Christianity can indeed make sense from your perspective. 
Not to imply that I think it makes any sense. But your solutions to the contradictions and problems have always made far more sense than anything that Cowboy as ever offered. 
Thank You for Your Kind Words, Abra......
but can't give up on Cowboy ......
gotta have Faith,ya know
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The Bible tells us that Jesus is God incarnate; He is God the Son, eternally one with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. He alone can forgive our sins and give salvation. The writer of Hebrews explains how "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven" (Hebrews 1:1-3). Many people believe that Jesus lived, was a good teacher and a very spiritual man, but they deny that he is God. A diluted Jesus is not the real Jesus. We must be careful to believe in the Jesus that he himself declared he was, "not be[ing] led astray from [our] sincere and pure devotion to Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3). Here are seven declarations and actions of Jesus that show us who he believed he was and is: 1. Jesus said He was God Matthew 26:63-65 "But Jesus remained silent. The high priest said to him, 'I charge you under oath by the living God: Tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.' 'Yes, it is as you say,' Jesus replied. 'But I say to all of you: In the future you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.' Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, 'He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy.'" John 8:58-59 " 'I tell you the truth,' Jesus answered, 'before Abraham was born, I am!' At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds." John 10:30-33 " 'I and the Father are one.' Again the Jews picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus said to them, 'I have shown you many great miracles from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?' 'We are not stoning you for any of these,' replied the Jews, 'but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.' " John 14:8-9 "Philip said, 'Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.' Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?' " 2. Jesus said He came from heaven, God's eternal dwelling place John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me." John 16:28 "I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father." 3. Jesus said He was sinless, as God alone is without sin John 8:46 "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?" 4. Jesus forgave sin Mark 2:5 "When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, 'Son, your sins are forgiven.'" Luke 7:48, 49 "Then Jesus said to her, 'Your sins are forgiven.' The other guests began to say among themselves, 'Who is this who even forgives sins?' " 5. Jesus said He was the only way to heaven John 14:6 "Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.'" John 11:25 "Jesus said to her, 'I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies.'" 6. Jesus accepted worship as God Matthew 14:33 "Then those who were in the boat worshiped him [Jesus], saying, "Truly you are the Son of God." John 9:38 "Then the man said, 'Lord Jesus, I believe,' and he worshiped him." 7. Jesus performed miracles including raising others and himself from the dead Matthew 4:23 "Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom, and healing every disease and sickness among the people." Matthew 17:18 Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed from that moment. Luke 8:49-50, 52-55 "While Jesus was still speaking, someone came from the house of Jairus, the synagogue ruler. 'Your daughter is dead,' he said. 'Don't bother the teacher anymore.' Hearing this, Jesus said to Jairus, 'Don't be afraid; just believe, and she will be healed.' ...Meanwhile, all the people were wailing and mourning for her. 'Stop wailing,' Jesus said. 'She is not dead but asleep.' They laughed at him, knowing that she was dead. But he took her by the hand and said, 'My child, get up!' Her spirit returned, and at once she stood up. Then Jesus told them to give her something to eat." Luke 7:12-15 "As he approached the town gate, a dead person was being carried out-the only son of his mother, and she was a widow. And a large crowd from the town was with her. When the Lord saw her, his heart went out to her and he said, 'Don't cry.' Then he went up and touched the coffin, and those carrying it stood still. He said, 'Young man, I say to you, get up!' The dead man sat up and began to talk, and Jesus gave him back to his mother." John 11:43, 44 "When he had said this, Jesus called in a loud voice, 'Lazarus, come out!' The dead man came out, his hands and feet wrapped with strips of linen, and a cloth around his face. Jesus said to them, 'Take off the grave clothes and let him go.' " Luke 24:5-8 "In their fright the women bowed down with their faces to the ground, but the men said to them, 'Why do you look for the living among the dead? He [Jesus] is not here; he has risen! Remember how he told you, while he was still with you in Galilee: 'The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, be crucified and on the third day be raised again.' Then they remembered his words."
http://www.bccdallas.com/next-steps/jesus/ 2. Jesus said He came from heaven, God's eternal dwelling place John 6:38 "For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. Yes, Jesus and the father are both God. They are both in charge, they both have authority over us. But they are still two separate "persons" as shown in this verse also eg., "to do the will of him who sent me". But they aren't necessarily equally God. As Jesus does the will of the father and not his own. Because God the father is his God, his authority. Jesus never made himself equal with the father. John 5:30 30I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. |
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No one has authority over us. We have free will.
We can chose to be or not to be. We can chose to be "evil" or "good" or a bit of both. |
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No one has authority over us. We have free will. We can chose to be or not to be. We can chose to be "evil" or "good" or a bit of both. One has authority over us if one allows it to be eg., through Lordship. Heck not even your hunger has authority over you, you will eat when you want to regardless if your hungry or not. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 12/04/11 09:47 AM
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No one has authority over us. We have free will. We can chose to be or not to be. We can chose to be "evil" or "good" or a bit of both. One has authority over us if one allows it to be eg., through Lordship. Heck not even your hunger has authority over you, you will eat when you want to regardless if your hungry or not. I do not have authority over the ants just because I allow them to be. Sure, I can step on them, but they don't do as I tell them, nor do they accept me as an authority. So, you are wrong. God has no "authority" over me unless I allow it. I have free will. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God.
But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. |
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No one has authority over us. We have free will. We can chose to be or not to be. We can chose to be "evil" or "good" or a bit of both. One has authority over us if one allows it to be eg., through Lordship. Heck not even your hunger has authority over you, you will eat when you want to regardless if your hungry or not. I do not have authority over the ants just because I allow them to be. Sure, I can step on them, but they don't do as I tell them, nor do they accept me as an authority. So, you are wrong. God has no "authority" over me unless I allow it. I have free will. Not wrong. You do have lord-ship over the ants. You can put them where you want, you can kill them if they are in a place you do not wish for them to be. Yes, you can't "tell" them what to do or not to do, language barrier there so to speak. But in the end they must listen to you/us or they might possibly be destroyed. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God.
But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. If his will is LOVE and the law of vibration then we are on the same page. My will is God's will. |
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No one has authority over us. We have free will. We can chose to be or not to be. We can chose to be "evil" or "good" or a bit of both. One has authority over us if one allows it to be eg., through Lordship. Heck not even your hunger has authority over you, you will eat when you want to regardless if your hungry or not. I do not have authority over the ants just because I allow them to be. Sure, I can step on them, but they don't do as I tell them, nor do they accept me as an authority. So, you are wrong. God has no "authority" over me unless I allow it. I have free will. Not wrong. You do have lord-ship over the ants. You can put them where you want, you can kill them if they are in a place you do not wish for them to be. Yes, you can't "tell" them what to do or not to do, language barrier there so to speak. But in the end they must listen to you/us or they might possibly be destroyed. I guess you don't live in the South. The fire ants are everywhere. 
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. Yes true, sorta. For example, the laws of the land. They don't even have authority over you unless you allow it. Say you're not allowing the law of the land to have authority over you and you rob a house or any possible example. You will be punished for this crime if caught, REGARDLESS if you have allowed the law to have authority over you or not. |
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No one has authority over us. We have free will. We can chose to be or not to be. We can chose to be "evil" or "good" or a bit of both. One has authority over us if one allows it to be eg., through Lordship. Heck not even your hunger has authority over you, you will eat when you want to regardless if your hungry or not. I do not have authority over the ants just because I allow them to be. Sure, I can step on them, but they don't do as I tell them, nor do they accept me as an authority. So, you are wrong. God has no "authority" over me unless I allow it. I have free will. Not wrong. You do have lord-ship over the ants. You can put them where you want, you can kill them if they are in a place you do not wish for them to be. Yes, you can't "tell" them what to do or not to do, language barrier there so to speak. But in the end they must listen to you/us or they might possibly be destroyed. I guess you don't live in the South. The fire ants are everywhere.
lol that might be true. But say you were setting up a picnic area in your backyard. If the ants where in the area of this and you did not want them, you could lay out poison to get rid of them. They might end up coming back, but you could just throw out some poison again and so forth. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. Yes true, sorta. For example, the laws of the land. They don't even have authority over you unless you allow it. Say you're not allowing the law of the land to have authority over you and you rob a house or any possible example. You will be punished for this crime if caught, REGARDLESS if you have allowed the law to have authority over you or not. People force their authority on others all the time. That does not mean I have to accept them as having legal authority over me. My will is God's will. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. If his will is LOVE and the law of vibration then we are on the same page. My will is God's will. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. He does. He doesn't "force" anyone to obey him. Only punishment for not doing as such, but it is still your choice. You reap what you sow so to speak. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. Yes true, sorta. For example, the laws of the land. They don't even have authority over you unless you allow it. Say you're not allowing the law of the land to have authority over you and you rob a house or any possible example. You will be punished for this crime if caught, REGARDLESS if you have allowed the law to have authority over you or not. People force their authority on others all the time. That does not mean I have to accept them as having legal authority over me. My will is God's will. If one doesn't accept one as having authority over them, they will not obey. They will do as they wish. And there is a punishment for this both spiritual and secular depending on the "crime" at hand. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. If his will is LOVE and the law of vibration then we are on the same page. My will is God's will. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. He does. He doesn't "force" anyone to obey him. Only punishment for not doing as such, but it is still your choice. You reap what you sow so to speak. God does not punish anyone. But yes you reap what you sow, that is the law of cause and effect. That is, you punish yourself. |
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. If his will is LOVE and the law of vibration then we are on the same page. My will is God's will. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. He does. He doesn't "force" anyone to obey him. Only punishment for not doing as such, but it is still your choice. You reap what you sow so to speak. God does not punish anyone. But yes you reap what you sow, that is the law of cause and effect. That is, you punish yourself. True, God doesn't specifically "punish" anyone. He just doesn't reward them for their action(s) eg., the punishment. The punishment is the lacking of reward. And no "reward" doesn't have to be something shiny and sparkly. Reward = outcome of an action(s). If someone robs a bank and gets caught, their reward would be prison time ect. |
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If one doesn't accept one as having authority over them, they will not obey. They will do as they wish. And there is a punishment for this both spiritual and secular depending on the "crime" at hand.
If my will is God's will, there is nothing to "obey." If God does not force his will upon others, there is nothing to "obey." There is no punishment, there is only the law of vibration. Reap what you sow. |
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If one doesn't accept one as having authority over them, they will not obey. They will do as they wish. And there is a punishment for this both spiritual and secular depending on the "crime" at hand.
If my will is God's will, there is nothing to "obey." If God does not force his will upon others, there is nothing to "obey." There is no punishment, there is only the law of vibration. Reap what you sow. If your will is God's will, you are obeying. |
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Edited by
Jeanniebean
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Sun 12/04/11 10:04 AM
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IF I believe in God, and IF I feel that I know God's will, I might willingly be one with God. But Morningsong is right when she says that one has to be willing. Authority is a two way street. If I agree to the law, then I accept the authority of the people who enforce the law. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. If his will is LOVE and the law of vibration then we are on the same page. My will is God's will. But I believe God wants us to willingly accept his will. He does. He doesn't "force" anyone to obey him. Only punishment for not doing as such, but it is still your choice. You reap what you sow so to speak. God does not punish anyone. But yes you reap what you sow, that is the law of cause and effect. That is, you punish yourself. True, God doesn't specifically "punish" anyone. He just doesn't reward them for their action(s) eg., the punishment. The punishment is the lacking of reward. And no "reward" doesn't have to be something shiny and sparkly. Reward = outcome of an action(s). If someone robs a bank and gets caught, their reward would be prison time ect. There are only results. There is no reward or punishment. Whether something is a reward or a punishment is all in the attitude. I knew a guy who robbed a bank just because he wanted to get put back into prison. He got what he wanted. It was the result. |
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