Topic: Israel's nuclear arsenal.
Optomistic69's photo
Thu 12/01/11 02:48 PM

“What gets up many people’s nose, especially the Iranians’, is Hague’s failure to say anything about Israel’s “ongoing refusal to engage constructively” on the issue of its nuclear weapons programme.”



http://www.redress.cc/global/slittlewood20111202

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/01/11 03:02 PM


“What gets up many people’s nose, especially the Iranians’, is Hague’s failure to say anything about Israel’s “ongoing refusal to engage constructively” on the issue of its nuclear weapons programme.”



http://www.redress.cc/global/slittlewood20111202
Stuart Littlewood!
The British Chomsky!rofl
You really need to check those Guys out before you egg yourself!

mightymoe's photo
Thu 12/01/11 03:07 PM
what i don't get is, the author of that article was mad about going to war, but also mad about the sanctions placed on Iran... i was thinking the sanctions were about not going to war, so apparently, nothing is going to make you people happy...

Optomistic69's photo
Thu 12/01/11 03:11 PM
Israel’s grand hypocrisy: Netanyahu slams “anti-liberal” Arab Spring

By Jonathan Cook in Nazareth

2 December 2011

Jonathan Cook argues that while Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is keen to belittle the emerging democracies in the Arab world, his government is busy drafting laws that will snuff out human rights organizations and emasculate the country’s media and Supreme Court – all in an effort to conceal the apartheid nature and human rights violations of the Israeli state.




http://www.redress.cc/palestine/jcook20111202

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/01/11 03:16 PM

Israel’s grand hypocrisy: Netanyahu slams “anti-liberal” Arab Spring

By Jonathan Cook in Nazareth

2 December 2011

Jonathan Cook argues that while Israeli Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is keen to belittle the emerging democracies in the Arab world, his government is busy drafting laws that will snuff out human rights organizations and emasculate the country’s media and Supreme Court – all in an effort to conceal the apartheid nature and human rights violations of the Israeli state.




http://www.redress.cc/palestine/jcook20111202
You can sure pick them!:laughing: :laughing:


Since September 2001, Cook has been a freelance writer based in Nazareth, Israel.[4] He continued to write columns for The Guardian until 2007,[5][6] a publication he argued in 2011 is an objectionable cult for its attacks on Gilad Atzmon, Julian Assange, Noam Chomsky and others.[7] Articles by Cook have also been published in the The International Herald Tribune, Le Monde Diplomatique, Al-Ahram Weekly, Al Jazeera,The National in Abu Dhabi, antiwar.com, CounterPunch.org, Dissident Voice, The Electronic Intifada, Mondoweiss, AlterNet, and Media Lens among others.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 12/01/11 09:24 PM
Good, I hope Israel uses it...........

no photo
Thu 12/01/11 10:58 PM

Good, I hope Israel uses it...........


Now that is a good example of hate speech.

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/01/11 11:14 PM
US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting

By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press
2011-11-22 09:50 PM


n a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

"This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone.

"There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two.

"Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms.

"They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.

Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1767602

no photo
Thu 12/01/11 11:34 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 12/01/11 11:35 PM


“What gets up many people’s nose, especially the Iranians’, is Hague’s failure to say anything about Israel’s “ongoing refusal to engage constructively” on the issue of its nuclear weapons programme.”



http://www.redress.cc/global/slittlewood20111202



They have enough to destroy the whole world. And they will do it too if they feel threatened.

And they are always feeling threatened.


Lpdon's photo
Thu 12/01/11 11:41 PM

US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting

By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press
2011-11-22 09:50 PM


n a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

"This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone.

"There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two.

"Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms.

"They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.

Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1767602


Not to mention things are going badly, very badly between the UK and Iran right now. The UK pulled their Ambassador and embassy staff and gave the Iranians 48 hours to get the hell out of their country after Iran once again violated the geniva convention(Second time recently they have violated it twords the UK the first the sailors illegally detained and held for weeks).

Also two other countries have pulled their Ambassadors because of this incident as well. Russia is not happy and voted with the rest of the security council to hold Iran accountable on the violations! :banana:

Lpdon's photo
Thu 12/01/11 11:45 PM


“What gets up many people’s nose, especially the Iranians’, is Hague’s failure to say anything about Israel’s “ongoing refusal to engage constructively” on the issue of its nuclear weapons programme.”



http://www.redress.cc/global/slittlewood20111202


What nuclear weapons program? Officially it doesn't exist AND they didn't sign the nuclear treaty and shouldn't have to.

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb, Bomb IRAN!

Conrad_73's photo
Thu 12/01/11 11:46 PM


US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting

By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press
2011-11-22 09:50 PM


n a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

"This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone.

"There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two.

"Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms.

"They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.

Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1767602


Not to mention things are going badly, very badly between the UK and Iran right now. The UK pulled their Ambassador and embassy staff and gave the Iranians 48 hours to get the hell out of their country after Iran once again violated the geniva convention(Second time recently they have violated it twords the UK the first the sailors illegally detained and held for weeks).

Also two other countries have pulled their Ambassadors because of this incident as well. Russia is not happy and voted with the rest of the security council to hold Iran accountable on the violations! :banana:
Russia must be getting queasy everytime they think about Iran!
In the past everytime the Russians did not comply with the wishes of Iran,miraculously the Caucasus-Region would explode.
Terrorist-attacks by Islamists from the Caucasus all over Russia!

Lpdon's photo
Thu 12/01/11 11:50 PM



US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting

By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press
2011-11-22 09:50 PM


n a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

"This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone.

"There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two.

"Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms.

"They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.

Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1767602


Not to mention things are going badly, very badly between the UK and Iran right now. The UK pulled their Ambassador and embassy staff and gave the Iranians 48 hours to get the hell out of their country after Iran once again violated the geniva convention(Second time recently they have violated it twords the UK the first the sailors illegally detained and held for weeks).

Also two other countries have pulled their Ambassadors because of this incident as well. Russia is not happy and voted with the rest of the security council to hold Iran accountable on the violations! :banana:
Russia must be getting queasy everytime they think about Iran!
In the past everytime the Russians did not comply with the wishes of Iran,miraculously the Caucasus-Region would explode.
Terrorist-attacks by Islamists from the Caucasus all over Russia!


Iran is just pissing everyone off. They will end up being an isolationist state with no one to back them up with the exception of Syria and maybe North Korea.

Iran better wise up because pretty soon there will be no one back to hold Israel back or other states that think a preemptive strike in Irans nuclear facilities is in the best interest for their countries and the entire Middle East.

s1owhand's photo
Fri 12/02/11 03:13 AM
If Israel has nukes they have never threatened to use them and have not
openly tested them in 60 years. Israel has demonstrated over and over
again that they will not attack offensively and only respond with
military force when they are gravely threatened or attacked first.
And even then with a measured response always warning civilians to
leave the areas of military activity.

On the other hand, Iran has openly threatened Israel and the United
States, Britain, France and any others they perceive as being against
their particularly perverted version of radical Islam with massive
attacks and annihilation. This from a country which openly calls for
genocide of Israelis, Jews, Christians and Americans.

Iran like N Korea is run by nutballs who aren't trustworthy with
rocks let alone nuclear warheads. Iran has repeatedly lied to
everyone about their nuclear program towards making warheads and
continues to defy their own commitments to the international community
regarding their nuclear weapons development underground programs
while they continue to threaten the U.S., Israel and Sunni states
with attacks on a massive scale if anyone disagrees with their
radical Islamic agenda. Iran is a terrorist state which supports
rocket attacks aimed purely at civilians, bus and cafe bombings and
other war crimes.

This is why Iran should never be permitted to develop nuclear
weapons.

no photo
Fri 12/02/11 10:53 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 12/02/11 10:55 AM
I have to agree that Iran and N Korea are run by nutballs.

I had a friend (a woman) who was Iranian who went to visit her family. She had to wear the burka. She was a nurse and when she was there an earthquake hit Iran. They delayed her departure and tried to keep her there. It took her a month to get out and come back to America.


Bestinshow's photo
Fri 12/02/11 02:18 PM
Didnt we take down saddam for less?

no photo
Fri 12/02/11 02:19 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 12/02/11 02:20 PM

Didnt we take down saddam for less?


Yep.

Invade Israel and take away their nukes!!

See how they like that.

laugh laugh

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 12/02/11 02:22 PM


Didnt we take down saddam for less?


Yep.

Invade Israel and take away their nukes!!

See how they like that.

laugh laugh
you will enjoy the full Bodybags coming back from the ME!
pitchfork
You think you had Casualties in Iraq!pitchfork

Conrad_73's photo
Fri 12/02/11 02:54 PM
US, Russia and UK back Israel at Mideast meeting
By GEORGE JAHN
Associated Press
2011-11-22 09:50 PM




In a boost to Israel, Russia joined the U.S. and Britain on Tuesday in backing the Jewish state's view that the Middle East cannot be turned into a nuclear arms-free zone without progress on regional peace.

The three nations _ who are charged with registering new members to the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty _ also blunted Arab efforts to get them involved creating such a zone, telling an International Atomic Energy Agency meeting that was the sole responsibility of countries in the region.

The three-nation statement was made at a rare venue _ a meeting bringing Israel and the Arab states together for a discussion of how to work toward establishing a Mideast nuclear-arms free zone. While nearly 100 nations attended the forum, it was primarily meant to allow those two opposing camps to exchange views on the issue _ one of many dividing Israel from its Arab neighbors.

Organizers had warned against high expectations, and officials at the closed two-day meeting said it ended Friday without bridging the differences.

"This was a small positive step," said Norwegian Ambassador Jan Petersen, who chaired the gathering, acknowledging "there is a very, very long way ahead" to reach the goal of a Mideast nuclear-weapons free zone.

"There are a lot of difficult issues, which will have to be tackled," he told reporters.

Still the three-nation statement was significant. Russia is traditionally in the Arab corner and Moscow's decision to join Washington and London in the joint statement of support for Israel's view was a rare nod from Moscow recognizing Israel's security concerns.

"While Nuclear Weapon-Free zones improve the security of the entire international community, they do not exist in isolation from other security factors," said the statement which was shared with The Associated Press. Any such zone, it said must see "the states in the region united in their aspiration to provide for strengthened regional stability and security."

That dovetails with Israel's view that peace must prevail in the Middle East before it can be made into a nuclear free zone. But it clashes with the Arab position that the two issues are separate.

The Arabs say Israel's undeclared nuclear arsenal represents the biggest threat to Mideast peace. But Israel says Iran is the greatest threat to the region through its refusal to heed U.N. Security Council resolutions demanding it stop activities that could be used to make nuclear weapons and suspected research and development of such capabilities. Tehran denies any interest in such arms.

Iran boycotted the meeting. But a decision last year by the 189 members of the Nuclear Nonproliferation treaty to convene a U.N.-sponsored conference on establishing a Middle East nuclear-free zone in 2012 was an incentive for Israel's Arab neighbors to come to the exploratory Vienna talks _ even if there are no formal links between the two.

"Hopefully, we were able to identify quite a lot of issues which will be useful" at that conference, Petersen said.

Arab countries and Iran are aware of the potential of using the 2012 U.N. conference as a platform to pressure Israel to fulfill their long-standing demands: joining the nonproliferation treaty, acknowledging that it has nuclear weapons and allowing IAEA inspectors to probe its atomic activities.

Israel is unlikely to do any of that. It remains unclear whether it will even attend the 2012 talks and came to the Vienna meeting only under the stipulation that it remain a nonbinding give-and-take on the issue of nuclear-free zones in general.

Petersen noted that international pressure on Iran had grown since a Nov. 8 IAEA report that was the most thorough to date on backing up suspicions that Tehran is conducting research and development of nuclear arms.

"They have one more question to answer now," he said about Iran's decision to stay away. "I don't think it was particularly helpful to their cause.

The three-nation statement also sought to put into context the value of the meeting _ which featured presentations on nuclear-free zones elsewhere.

It said "zones free of nuclear weapons cannot be created counter to the will of the countries of the region by the efforts of extra-regional powers or international organizations." That was an rebuttal of an Arab push to get powers that are members of the Nonproliferation Treaty involved in creating a Mideast nuclear-free region.

Participants said most speakers avoided polemics. But on Monday, Syria">Syria _ among Israel's bitterest Mideast rivals _ used the gathering to accuse Israel of posing a "grave and serious threat" through its undeclared atomic arsenal.

Israel, for its part, restated its view: no discussions on a nuclear-free zone without peace in the Middle East.

"Experience shows that such a process can only be launched when normal, peaceful relations exist in the region, when the threat perception of all regional members is low, and only after basic confidence is established among states of the region," David Danieli, Israel's deputy nuclear chief, said in comments provided to the AP.

For now, he said, "political instability, open hostilities, deep mistrust and noncompliance with international obligations are too common in many parts of the Middle East."

____

Noura Maan contributed to this report.