Topic: As crowds swell in Cairo, military in crisis talks
Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/22/11 08:05 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/crowds-swell-cairo-military-crisis-talks-130912369.html

Dispite pros and cons people think of the OWS...... is this what we want in OUR country?

OWS is a "PEOPLES" voice if we support it, if we don't, and we allow the Wall Street corporations, government and the MSM press, to "spin" it to suit their needs, we will lose our voice, and our RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS to assemble, forever!

It is chaos, YES! Is it perfect? NO, but it (the voice of the people) is the only power we have left that can still be "trusted"! Voting machines, MSM, government, all are diluted, corrupted and compromised, as we know.

Before you condemn, get involved and add your own voice!

It is said; "You are either part of the solution, or you are part of the problem." Which will you be?

United we stand, devided we fall!

SUPPORT OWS, SHARE YOUR OWN VOICE/OPINIONS FOR CHANGE, ADD TO THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE...... or be happy with what you have....TYRANNY!

jmo, but I care what my children will inherit, and would rather die on my feet than laying on my belly!

The time has come for change, and I don't like the "BIGGER GOVERNMENT/CORPORATE" version we now have!

AndyBgood's photo
Tue 11/22/11 10:11 AM
The problem I have with OWS is the loud minority of communist voices claiming to be socialist that form a majority of the group. Comparing us to Egypt is fallacious because sine Egypt got their brand of Democracy they have taken a overly strong Islamic slant and attacks on Christians, bear in mind UNPROVOKED ATTACKS, began with little if NO police support or military support to end the attacks. This includes vandalism of the churches and homes of Christians, shootings at Church services, etc.. Please do not compare our nation to the PIT Egypt is falling into.

Likewise please do not compare religious zealotry to the desperation we feel at the hands of a government out of control. The Tea Party was a movement against this corruption but look at what that led to. I can not get jiggy with a bunch of modern day hippies, welfare warriors, and self indulgent dissidents who claim to be the voice of our nation.

We need a better organized movement who will take our displeasure right to the steps of Congress armed to the teeth with the where with all to actually shoot at police and military if necessary to prevent them form removing the protest in any way until Congress either gets with the program and makes the changes we need to get our nation solvent and working again and get us out of being the World's police force. We need an end to the Welfare state but the losers of OWS want more welfare. They have no message other than they are mad they don't have (or want) jobs but they feel the world owes them a living just because they exist.

Like I have also mentioned before what do the foxes care of the complaints of the hens they steal eggs from? Instead of blowing smoke up our azzes these protestors need to quit voting for people like Obama and Pelosi! Until then these protests are just meaningless!

I do understand what you are saying and where you are coming from but this is backing the wrong horse in the race. Hell, it is the Democratic Party who has eroded our rights and security more and more over the years more so than the Republican party!

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Tue 11/22/11 10:23 AM

The problem I have with OWS is the loud minority of communist voices claiming to be socialist that form a majority of the group. Comparing us to Egypt is fallacious because sine Egypt got their brand of Democracy they have taken a overly strong Islamic slant and attacks on Christians, bear in mind UNPROVOKED ATTACKS, began with little if NO police support or military support to end the attacks. This includes vandalism of the churches and homes of Christians, shootings at Church services, etc.. Please do not compare our nation to the PIT Egypt is falling into.

Likewise please do not compare religious zealotry to the desperation we feel at the hands of a government out of control. The Tea Party was a movement against this corruption but look at what that led to. I can not get jiggy with a bunch of modern day hippies, welfare warriors, and self indulgent dissidents who claim to be the voice of our nation.

We need a better organized movement who will take our displeasure right to the steps of Congress armed to the teeth with the where with all to actually shoot at police and military if necessary to prevent them form removing the protest in any way until Congress either gets with the program and makes the changes we need to get our nation solvent and working again and get us out of being the World's police force. We need an end to the Welfare state but the losers of OWS want more welfare. They have no message other than they are mad they don't have (or want) jobs but they feel the world owes them a living just because they exist.

Like I have also mentioned before what do the foxes care of the complaints of the hens they steal eggs from? Instead of blowing smoke up our azzes these protestors need to quit voting for people like Obama and Pelosi! Until then these protests are just meaningless!

I do understand what you are saying and where you are coming from but this is backing the wrong horse in the race. Hell, it is the Democratic Party who has eroded our rights and security more and more over the years more so than the Republican party!


It doesn't matter who is backing what, or what percentages brush their teeth with Crest.... what matters is the voice and the freedom to use it, and what changes come from it in the end.

Whatever the outcome, it will be only a start in a different direction than the path of destruction we are on and the details we can work out in the progress.

Anything new has flaws, but desire and ambition will cause it to take on meaning and the bugs can be worked out thru trial and error.

We are DEFINATELY HEADED FOR A FALL on this path! It NEEDS to change, and change needs to have a beginning, or what you have just grows like a cancer until it is too late!

AndyBgood's photo
Wed 11/23/11 11:16 AM
I very much agree with you but bad execution of a paint job means it will not last. Look at what the last push for change got us? We need a more organized approach and all these deadbeat losers among the protesters wanting a hand out does nothing for a movement demanding responsibility from our government. On top of that if most of these people had their way they would begin a witch hunt pseudo McCarthy Era.

Again OWS is a knee jerk reaction. We need more than that, a lot more. Look at what Egypt has going on now. Anarchy, sectarian violence, and military rule. That isn't what we are looking for here, at least I am not.

Just being mad and protesting is meaningless unless there is a greater reason that the group protesting can get through to everyone else to make them mad. Granted the voice of individuals demanding more welfare should not be weighed against the moral value value of the protest. But the problem is where the protest are occurring and the messages coming from them do not ring true with me.

People need to get a grip and take the protest right to Congress! What is so hard to understand that if their message is serious enough they will take it to the police who try to break them up. Once the police start getting the crap kicked out of them while people voice their anger right at congress then they MIGHT get the message. But our military needs to get over not questioning their commander and chief. When Mr. President orders troops to attack an orderly mob that is not vandalizing but not going away and resisting police I would hope the commander would be smart enough to tell Mr President he cannot obey that order for a host of reasons.

Again another problem with these protesters are the Vandalization, the littering, the defacement of public property, and in some cases criminal violence (arson) means this is just an angry mob of frustrated losers, not Americans who are frustrated. OWS is failing to really galvanize anyone to the issues at hand. I am not disenfranchised with it because I am a "Suit." I am disenfranchised with it because it lacks so much and it is more than I listed here.

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Wed 11/23/11 03:38 PM
Edited by Sojourning_Soul on Wed 11/23/11 03:41 PM

I very much agree with you but bad execution of a paint job means it will not last. Look at what the last push for change got us? We need a more organized approach and all these deadbeat losers among the protesters wanting a hand out does nothing for a movement demanding responsibility from our government. On top of that if most of these people had their way they would begin a witch hunt pseudo McCarthy Era.

Again OWS is a knee jerk reaction. We need more than that, a lot more. Look at what Egypt has going on now. Anarchy, sectarian violence, and military rule. That isn't what we are looking for here, at least I am not.

Just being mad and protesting is meaningless unless there is a greater reason that the group protesting can get through to everyone else to make them mad. Granted the voice of individuals demanding more welfare should not be weighed against the moral value value of the protest. But the problem is where the protest are occurring and the messages coming from them do not ring true with me.

People need to get a grip and take the protest right to Congress! What is so hard to understand that if their message is serious enough they will take it to the police who try to break them up. Once the police start getting the crap kicked out of them while people voice their anger right at congress then they MIGHT get the message. But our military needs to get over not questioning their commander and chief. When Mr. President orders troops to attack an orderly mob that is not vandalizing but not going away and resisting police I would hope the commander would be smart enough to tell Mr President he cannot obey that order for a host of reasons.

Again another problem with these protesters are the Vandalization, the littering, the defacement of public property, and in some cases criminal violence (arson) means this is just an angry mob of frustrated losers, not Americans who are frustrated. OWS is failing to really galvanize anyone to the issues at hand. I am not disenfranchised with it because I am a "Suit." I am disenfranchised with it because it lacks so much and it is more than I listed here.


Many at the OWS are just simple, everyday people, who don't understand most of the issues, but know in their hearts something is wrong with the system, and they want it changed. Time will educate!

What they are doing, what they wish to present, means a lot to them, even if they don't know the "politicaly correct" way to voice it, or even who is truly responsible.... but they know it has to do with money and greed, of which they have none or very little. Collateral damage is inevitable, acceptable to the military and government, but not for the people?

If all who bash them would exert the same amount of energy AND COMPASSION they show, to (speaking in terms the common person could understand) educate them, put a real face on their enemy (disdain), who they feel they could trust, THEN IT WILL TAKE IT'S TRUE FORM.

It gave us our independence in 1776, and it has taken the central bankers 150 years to regain the control they lost. We need another 150 years, and dispite it's slow, hampered growth, OWS has the power to do that in the end!

My hope is that it doesn't take a revolution with blood in the streets!

POWER TO THE PEOPLE! drinker :banana: drinker

AndyBgood's photo
Wed 11/23/11 10:04 PM
If I may, how many of them will listen????

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 11/24/11 08:55 AM

A valid question, but any answer would be based on assumptions, and not facts. Therefore, my theory, or any other yet to be proven, is only theory or speculation on anyones part.

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 11/24/11 11:25 AM
True but in Egypt the Islamics have made it abundantly clear it is their way or no way. So we remove one dictator to install another more oppressive regime, "in the name of democracy." The whole Arab Spring is a lie. Even with Speculation aside, how can Egypts transition be any better than what they had? At least they didn't have sectarian violence and military rule before. They did have peace under Mubarak. Now what have they got? The problem with transitions like this is they don't go as planned and in many cases go the wrong way and Egypt is going completely the wrong way! Without strong leadership many of these protests are nothing more than a go at Mob Rule. That is what I see with OWS. it is a mob with no strong message, no good leadership, no defined message, and NO PLAN TO DEAL WITH THE PROBLEMS THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT EXCEPT THEIR ONE DEMAND IS MORE WELFARE! In Egypt it is one invasive population demanding Islam rule. How democratic is that?

Sojourning_Soul's photo
Thu 11/24/11 11:36 AM

That is your opinion, one of many, and the beauty is it would be welcome at OWS as another view from the masses.

Hard to discredit a voice that is echoed 1000 times, from a 1000 different sources.

CSNY has a song titled "Find the Cost of Freedom"...... "buried" in the ground.....

Something WILL come with time! More focus, as the many speak, few will emerge to become "the voice" of the people.

It happened in 1776, it CAN happen again!

AndyBgood's photo
Thu 11/24/11 12:11 PM


That is your opinion, one of many, and the beauty is it would be welcome at OWS as another view from the masses.

Hard to discredit a voice that is echoed 1000 times, from a 1000 different sources.

CSNY has a song titled "Find the Cost of Freedom"...... "buried" in the ground.....

Something WILL come with time! More focus, as the many speak, few will emerge to become "the voice" of the people.

It happened in 1776, it CAN happen again!


But sadly the change has to come from within. This whole Grand Revolution crap is Marxist values.

Trust me in that I will be the first to say we are misrepresented and taxed unfairly by our own government. Our government is totally out of control. And no one has the balls to act like a like a real leader and do what needs to be done to get things back on track and that is first of all suspending congress and weeding out the criminals, then forcing them to clean up their act, and reinstating congress without fear of reprisals because any president who dares that will get a Julius Caesar done to them. And above all the President that does that needs the backing of the military to help keep order while congress is cleaned up. There is no easy answer but it is coming to a time where the military needs to decide who they serve, America or Corporations. That means we need to polygraph our military leadership to weed those weasels out too!

Protesting is one thing, but when it degrades to what we are getting to see unfold all it can be Anarchy at best! We need more than anarchy! We need planning and execution of those plans to affect change. Not a bunch of pissed off people defiling their own homes out of anger spewing vitriol at our nation in general.

This is part of the Class Warfare Obama is engaged in. All OWS sees is them against the Rich. There is one of my larger beefs with the whole thing.