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people fall away from believing because of failed predictions.
I dont PREDICT, im not a fortune teller, or the all knowing great Roberta, I merely stated something that was JMO. God Bless you, Miles and thats fine. i said that in what i wrote also.. between a few people.. everyone speculates and thats all it is speculation. its when people in power people who have much to gain from saying such and are not held accountable. Pat Robertson should be in prison for life..IMO.. he is a FALSE Prophet along with his friends from TBN. they even take now the things from the old testement and put thier spin on the Feast of Yahweh and you send in money for say a Shofar or a book they have wrote.. all false.. If it was from Yahweh they would never ask for money. What does Yahweh need money for? They do though.. Blessings..Miles False preaching? The Constitution would have something against that,you know,like in the First Amendment? |
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Edited by
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Basically, we ARE in that last generation that the bible speaks of ( which began when Jesus came). That is why God's Word speaks to us Now....we are IN that last generAtion....RIGHT NOW. That's why God's Word says , NOW the time is at hand. God is a NOW GOD. ............Question: "What did Jesus mean when He said, "this generation will not pass"?"............ Answer: This quote of Jesus in regards to the end times is found in Matthew 24:34, Mark 13:30, and Luke 21:32. Jesus said, "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place." The key to understanding what Jesus means is understanding the context; that is, understanding the verses that are surrounding verse 34, but especially the verses prior to verse 34. In Matthew 24:4-31, Jesus is speaking of events that have not yet happened. The generation of people living when those events occur is the generation that Jesus speaks of "not passing" until He returns. Jesus had already told those living during His first time on earth that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43). Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24-25 be seen as speaking of a future time and that the word generation is referring to the people alive when the events of Matthew 24-25 are occurring. Another possibility is that Jesus was giving a prophecy with a "double fulfillment." Some of what He was predicting was going to occur in that generation. Some of what Jesus prophesied fits with what occurred when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Other aspects of Jesus' prophecy, however, did not occur in A.D.70; for example, Matthew 24:29-31. However, this view does not work with Jesus' statement that "all these things" will take place in "this generation." Therefore, it is best to understand "this generation" as referring to the generation in which the end-times events occur. Essentially, Jesus is saying that the end times will happen quickly. This concept is echoed in many other Scriptures (Matthew 24:22; Mark 13:20; Revelation 3:11; 22:7,12,20). 
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people fall away from believing because of failed predictions.
I dont PREDICT, im not a fortune teller, or the all knowing great Roberta, I merely stated something that was JMO. God Bless you, Miles and thats fine. i said that in what i wrote also.. between a few people.. everyone speculates and thats all it is speculation. its when people in power people who have much to gain from saying such and are not held accountable. Pat Robertson should be in prison for life..IMO.. he is a FALSE Prophet along with his friends from TBN. they even take now the things from the old testement and put thier spin on the Feast of Yahweh and you send in money for say a Shofar or a book they have wrote.. all false.. If it was from Yahweh they would never ask for money. What does Yahweh need money for? They do though.. Blessings..Miles False preaching? The Constitution would have something against that,you know,like in the First Amendment? That would be fraud or theft by deception. What does the Constitution say about that??? |
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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RAPTURE:THE COMING OF CHRIST IS VERY NEAR,jesus may come at any time from now.on that day christ ,and the angels shall sound with a trumpent and the saint in christ shall be taken away,those that dont believe in jesus christ who came to die for our sin,will find themself in hell fire,so shall their end come.brother,sister,do you want to be with christ when the trumpet sound,do u want to be free from hell and destruction,just give your life to jesus he is the only one that can save you.REPENT THE END IS AT HAND. 
You really believe this Roberta? Do you know how many times over the years people have predicted the rapture or the end? Were any of them ever right? We're still here aren't we? I would have thought you'd know better than to buy into that, no offense meant. I used to believe this stuff too, to the point of actually believing it was gonna happen in the fall of 2007 and waiting for it. Course now looking back it was rather stupid of me. Now I know better and see it for what is, a bunch of BS like the rest of religion. Just I believe, we have until sometime in 2012, and thats it. End of story. In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too. It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? your putting wayyyyyyyyy too much on this! Geez! In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made.
I do believe that is exactly what I said, "I believe", not "everyone should believe"...."I"...hello, as in me only!And where do you get that it was unbendable. If its JMO its as bendable as heck. I always have an open mind, to hear anyone elses opinion. Im not a genius or God, so why would you think I claim to know all. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
Oh, now im offensive to all other baby Christians. Your really reaching there sister. I dont care what anyone else believes. I have already said that I live and let live. I think everyone has the right to believe, who, what, when, where, why, whatever THEY choose to. And no one has the right to tell them they cant, or what to believe. Again, I said,"I believe", not "everyone better believe", or "mine is the only answer". Puuuuuuuuuuulease! It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? How in the heck is that about my ego. I am a humble person,and I think its more about your ego, and thinking your so brilliant to assume that I meant that statement to be a warneing of a prediction of everyones future.I said "I" (singular) believe, and it had nothing to do with anyone elses beliefs. Or what I think they should or shouldnt believe. Where do you get off calling me an egotistical person, for having my own beliefs about things? I have the right, just like you and everyone has the right, to believe whatever I want to, and the statement was not made to the world, and saying that I "knew" anything about our destiny here for certain. It again was JMO. Where do you read in there, that I am assuming that "I" alone am correct, and know all. You dont, cause its not there. Now read this again..... "I" BELIEVE (SINGULAR) that we have until sometime in 2012. End of story.(meaning, I dont want to talk about why I believe that, but apparently you took the "end of story" as meaning, thats the only explanation, and opinion that matters. Dont you know what happens when you assume? "Redykeulous" is right. I love the way you took a general statement, that was JMO and blew it up into a dramatic cry of our future that only "I" know and can predict! Crazyyyyyyy! BTW: If your looking for someone to argue with, im not your girl. But I will explain the TOTALLY OBVIOUS in my statements if need be. I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. God Bless! I was not looking for an argument, I was making observations. I was a little surprised at how strongly you protested what I had written. My surprise made me take into consideration what you were saying and so I took another look at the posts in this thread and I see that we have both committed the same error. One of the most common errors in the written format is to substitute, emotion, words, phrases and ideas whenever the original writing has not been made clear. You were clear in your writing, (I believe) clearly attributes a belief to you alone. I didn’t take it as you saying (my belief only) because we were discussing Christian beliefs about ‘end times’. I ( and it’s may fault) attributed what you were saying to Christian beliefs. I made the leap not understanding that you still hold beliefs aside from Christian beliefs. I apologize for the error and for getting you all worked up about it. I would like to point out that you have committed the same error in return but after reviewing our exchange I also understand why. I likewise failed to develop my points and I can see how you would have been offended. I wrote: The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? At that point I was under the impression that the ‘belief’ you were holding was a Christian belief, which is why I tried to make the point that not all Christians believe as you do. The next sentence was a reference to the fact that so many Christians hold such opposing views and yet each one lays claim to having sole accuracy. That is what I was referring to when I said it sounds like it’s all about ego – but I know it’s not because such belief sets individuals up to be placed in embarrassing situations. At any rate, we both made the same errors – it happens and the best thing is to own up to it, I do – do you? You wrote: I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. I have headed your advise and I apologise for my errors – will you? |
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Edited by
luv2roknroll
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RAPTURE:THE COMING OF CHRIST IS VERY NEAR,jesus may come at any time from now.on that day christ ,and the angels shall sound with a trumpent and the saint in christ shall be taken away,those that dont believe in jesus christ who came to die for our sin,will find themself in hell fire,so shall their end come.brother,sister,do you want to be with christ when the trumpet sound,do u want to be free from hell and destruction,just give your life to jesus he is the only one that can save you.REPENT THE END IS AT HAND.
You really believe this Roberta? Do you know how many times over the years people have predicted the rapture or the end? Were any of them ever right? We're still here aren't we? I would have thought you'd know better than to buy into that, no offense meant. I used to believe this stuff too, to the point of actually believing it was gonna happen in the fall of 2007 and waiting for it. Course now looking back it was rather stupid of me. Now I know better and see it for what is, a bunch of BS like the rest of religion. Just I believe, we have until sometime in 2012, and thats it. End of story. In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too. It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? your putting wayyyyyyyyy too much on this! Geez! In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made.
I do believe that is exactly what I said, "I believe", not "everyone should believe"...."I"...hello, as in me only!And where do you get that it was unbendable. If its JMO its as bendable as heck. I always have an open mind, to hear anyone elses opinion. Im not a genius or God, so why would you think I claim to know all. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
Oh, now im offensive to all other baby Christians. Your really reaching there sister. I dont care what anyone else believes. I have already said that I live and let live. I think everyone has the right to believe, who, what, when, where, why, whatever THEY choose to. And no one has the right to tell them they cant, or what to believe. Again, I said,"I believe", not "everyone better believe", or "mine is the only answer". Puuuuuuuuuuulease! It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? How in the heck is that about my ego. I am a humble person,and I think its more about your ego, and thinking your so brilliant to assume that I meant that statement to be a warneing of a prediction of everyones future.I said "I" (singular) believe, and it had nothing to do with anyone elses beliefs. Or what I think they should or shouldnt believe. Where do you get off calling me an egotistical person, for having my own beliefs about things? I have the right, just like you and everyone has the right, to believe whatever I want to, and the statement was not made to the world, and saying that I "knew" anything about our destiny here for certain. It again was JMO. Where do you read in there, that I am assuming that "I" alone am correct, and know all. You dont, cause its not there. Now read this again..... "I" BELIEVE (SINGULAR) that we have until sometime in 2012. End of story.(meaning, I dont want to talk about why I believe that, but apparently you took the "end of story" as meaning, thats the only explanation, and opinion that matters. Dont you know what happens when you assume? "Redykeulous" is right. I love the way you took a general statement, that was JMO and blew it up into a dramatic cry of our future that only "I" know and can predict! Crazyyyyyyy! BTW: If your looking for someone to argue with, im not your girl. But I will explain the TOTALLY OBVIOUS in my statements if need be. I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. God Bless! I was not looking for an argument, I was making observations. I was a little surprised at how strongly you protested what I had written. My surprise made me take into consideration what you were saying and so I took another look at the posts in this thread and I see that we have both committed the same error. One of the most common errors in the written format is to substitute, emotion, words, phrases and ideas whenever the original writing has not been made clear. You were clear in your writing, (I believe) clearly attributes a belief to you alone. I didn’t take it as you saying (my belief only) because we were discussing Christian beliefs about ‘end times’. I ( and it’s may fault) attributed what you were saying to Christian beliefs. I made the leap not understanding that you still hold beliefs aside from Christian beliefs. I apologize for the error and for getting you all worked up about it. I would like to point out that you have committed the same error in return but after reviewing our exchange I also understand why. I likewise failed to develop my points and I can see how you would have been offended. I wrote: The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? At that point I was under the impression that the ‘belief’ you were holding was a Christian belief, which is why I tried to make the point that not all Christians believe as you do. The next sentence was a reference to the fact that so many Christians hold such opposing views and yet each one lays claim to having sole accuracy. That is what I was referring to when I said it sounds like it’s all about ego – but I know it’s not because such belief sets individuals up to be placed in embarrassing situations. At any rate, we both made the same errors – it happens and the best thing is to own up to it, I do – do you? You wrote: I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. I have headed your advise and I apologise for my errors – will you? Amen sister. I also apologise, for jumping on your words. If there is one thing I can not, and will not, tolerate, its people lumping me in with the masses, and not looking at me as an individual, as I do everyone else. Take a group of 10 Christian people. I dont see them as 10 Christians, who absolutely must be one way or another, because they are Christians. I see a group of individual people, who just so happen to belong to the same "religious title'. I say "religious title", because I think there are more people than myself, who are Christian, and think alittle outside of the box. Christians are not suppose to support gay, or lesbian people, yet our pastor preaches to a group of gay men. AND HE, IN NO WAY, IS HE TRYING TO CONVERT THEM! He does this, because they dont feel comfortable, in regular church services, given they are not accepted in the bible.(thats sad, but thats a whole different topic, for a different day). I call myself a Christian, but I believe it is much more important that 2 people find REAL LOVE in this crazy world, than what gender they both are. I know that doesnt follow the bible, and you can call my a hypocrite, but it wont change my mind. If I have to make a choice between the 2, I will not call myself Christian, and still have my love, faith, and belief in my father, and will continue to worship, and love him everyday. I want whats best for myself and my relationship with Jesus, and my heavenly father, and I personally dont care how other people view it. Ill do whats right for me and you do whats right for you. All I do want is that no matter where we both stand, that we love one another. Thats whats most important. God Bless |
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people fall away from believing because of failed predictions.
I dont PREDICT, im not a fortune teller, or the all knowing great Roberta, I merely stated something that was JMO. God Bless you, Miles and thats fine. i said that in what i wrote also.. between a few people.. everyone speculates and thats all it is speculation. its when people in power people who have much to gain from saying such and are not held accountable. Pat Robertson should be in prison for life..IMO.. he is a FALSE Prophet along with his friends from TBN. they even take now the things from the old testement and put thier spin on the Feast of Yahweh and you send in money for say a Shofar or a book they have wrote.. all false.. If it was from Yahweh they would never ask for money. What does Yahweh need money for? They do though.. Blessings..Miles False preaching? The Constitution would have something against that,you know,like in the First Amendment? That would be fraud or theft by deception. What does the Constitution say about that??? How can it be Fraud if he truly believes what he says? You had better point out the Article in the Constitution where your contention is mentioned! |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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people fall away from believing because of failed predictions.
I dont PREDICT, im not a fortune teller, or the all knowing great Roberta, I merely stated something that was JMO. God Bless you, Miles and thats fine. i said that in what i wrote also.. between a few people.. everyone speculates and thats all it is speculation. its when people in power people who have much to gain from saying such and are not held accountable. Pat Robertson should be in prison for life..IMO.. he is a FALSE Prophet along with his friends from TBN. they even take now the things from the old testement and put thier spin on the Feast of Yahweh and you send in money for say a Shofar or a book they have wrote.. all false.. If it was from Yahweh they would never ask for money. What does Yahweh need money for? They do though.. Blessings..Miles False preaching? The Constitution would have something against that,you know,like in the First Amendment? That would be fraud or theft by deception. What does the Constitution say about that??? How can it be Fraud if he truly believes what he says? You had better point out the Article in the Constitution where your contention is mentioned! for me it is opinion.. Scriptually he is a false prophet making profit out of alot of people.. Jim Baker went to prison.. but he was not as sly.. where did Pat Robertson 100 million dollar fortune come from? and what has he really done for someone. And talk about deception how many of these religious broadcast say send for your free book with a 25 dollar donation.. or for a 100 dollar donation we will send you a dvd and book.. What is free about that? Blessings..Miles |
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Amen sister.
I also apologise, for jumping on your words. If there is one thing I can not, and will not, tolerate, its people lumping me in with the masses, and not looking at me as an individual, as I do everyone else. Take a group of 10 Christian people. I dont see them as 10 Christians, who absolutely must be one way or another, because they are Christians. I see a group of individual people, who just so happen to belong to the same "religious title'. I say "religious title", because I think there are more people than myself, who are Christian, and think alittle outside of the box. Christians are not suppose to support gay, or lesbian people, yet our pastor preaches to a group of gay men. AND HE, IN NO WAY, IS HE TRYING TO CONVERT THEM! He does this, because they dont feel comfortable, in regular church services, given they are not accepted in the bible.(thats sad, but thats a whole different topic, for a different day). I call myself a Christian, but I believe it is much more important that 2 people find REAL LOVE in this crazy world, than what gender they both are. I know that doesnt follow the bible, and you can call my a hypocrite, but it wont change my mind. If I have to make a choice between the 2, I will not call myself Christian, and still have my love, faith, and belief in my father, and will continue to worship, and love him everyday. I want whats best for myself and my relationship with Jesus, and my heavenly father, and I personally dont care how other people view it. Ill do whats right for me and you do whats right for you. All I do want is that no matter where we both stand, that we love one another. Thats whats most important. God Bless
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Amen sister.
I also apologise, for jumping on your words. If there is one thing I can not, and will not, tolerate, its people lumping me in with the masses, and not looking at me as an individual, as I do everyone else. Take a group of 10 Christian people. I dont see them as 10 Christians, who absolutely must be one way or another, because they are Christians. I see a group of individual people, who just so happen to belong to the same "religious title'. I say "religious title", because I think there are more people than myself, who are Christian, and think alittle outside of the box. Christians are not suppose to support gay, or lesbian people, yet our pastor preaches to a group of gay men. AND HE, IN NO WAY, IS HE TRYING TO CONVERT THEM! He does this, because they dont feel comfortable, in regular church services, given they are not accepted in the bible.(thats sad, but thats a whole different topic, for a different day). I call myself a Christian, but I believe it is much more important that 2 people find REAL LOVE in this crazy world, than what gender they both are. I know that doesnt follow the bible, and you can call my a hypocrite, but it wont change my mind. If I have to make a choice between the 2, I will not call myself Christian, and still have my love, faith, and belief in my father, and will continue to worship, and love him everyday. I want whats best for myself and my relationship with Jesus, and my heavenly father, and I personally dont care how other people view it. Ill do whats right for me and you do whats right for you. All I do want is that no matter where we both stand, that we love one another. Thats whats most important. God Bless
Well said and good points made.
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RAPTURE:THE COMING OF CHRIST IS VERY NEAR,jesus may come at any time from now.on that day christ ,and the angels shall sound with a trumpent and the saint in christ shall be taken away,those that dont believe in jesus christ who came to die for our sin,will find themself in hell fire,so shall their end come.brother,sister,do you want to be with christ when the trumpet sound,do u want to be free from hell and destruction,just give your life to jesus he is the only one that can save you.REPENT THE END IS AT HAND.
You really believe this Roberta? Do you know how many times over the years people have predicted the rapture or the end? Were any of them ever right? We're still here aren't we? I would have thought you'd know better than to buy into that, no offense meant. I used to believe this stuff too, to the point of actually believing it was gonna happen in the fall of 2007 and waiting for it. Course now looking back it was rather stupid of me. Now I know better and see it for what is, a bunch of BS like the rest of religion. Just I believe, we have until sometime in 2012, and thats it. End of story. In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too. It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? your putting wayyyyyyyyy too much on this! Geez! In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made.
I do believe that is exactly what I said, "I believe", not "everyone should believe"...."I"...hello, as in me only!And where do you get that it was unbendable. If its JMO its as bendable as heck. I always have an open mind, to hear anyone elses opinion. Im not a genius or God, so why would you think I claim to know all. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
Oh, now im offensive to all other baby Christians. Your really reaching there sister. I dont care what anyone else believes. I have already said that I live and let live. I think everyone has the right to believe, who, what, when, where, why, whatever THEY choose to. And no one has the right to tell them they cant, or what to believe. Again, I said,"I believe", not "everyone better believe", or "mine is the only answer". Puuuuuuuuuuulease! It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? How in the heck is that about my ego. I am a humble person,and I think its more about your ego, and thinking your so brilliant to assume that I meant that statement to be a warneing of a prediction of everyones future.I said "I" (singular) believe, and it had nothing to do with anyone elses beliefs. Or what I think they should or shouldnt believe. Where do you get off calling me an egotistical person, for having my own beliefs about things? I have the right, just like you and everyone has the right, to believe whatever I want to, and the statement was not made to the world, and saying that I "knew" anything about our destiny here for certain. It again was JMO. Where do you read in there, that I am assuming that "I" alone am correct, and know all. You dont, cause its not there. Now read this again..... "I" BELIEVE (SINGULAR) that we have until sometime in 2012. End of story.(meaning, I dont want to talk about why I believe that, but apparently you took the "end of story" as meaning, thats the only explanation, and opinion that matters. Dont you know what happens when you assume? "Redykeulous" is right. I love the way you took a general statement, that was JMO and blew it up into a dramatic cry of our future that only "I" know and can predict! Crazyyyyyyy! BTW: If your looking for someone to argue with, im not your girl. But I will explain the TOTALLY OBVIOUS in my statements if need be. I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. God Bless! I was not looking for an argument, I was making observations. I was a little surprised at how strongly you protested what I had written. My surprise made me take into consideration what you were saying and so I took another look at the posts in this thread and I see that we have both committed the same error. One of the most common errors in the written format is to substitute, emotion, words, phrases and ideas whenever the original writing has not been made clear. You were clear in your writing, (I believe) clearly attributes a belief to you alone. I didn’t take it as you saying (my belief only) because we were discussing Christian beliefs about ‘end times’. I ( and it’s may fault) attributed what you were saying to Christian beliefs. I made the leap not understanding that you still hold beliefs aside from Christian beliefs. I apologize for the error and for getting you all worked up about it. I would like to point out that you have committed the same error in return but after reviewing our exchange I also understand why. I likewise failed to develop my points and I can see how you would have been offended. I wrote: The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? At that point I was under the impression that the ‘belief’ you were holding was a Christian belief, which is why I tried to make the point that not all Christians believe as you do. The next sentence was a reference to the fact that so many Christians hold such opposing views and yet each one lays claim to having sole accuracy. That is what I was referring to when I said it sounds like it’s all about ego – but I know it’s not because such belief sets individuals up to be placed in embarrassing situations. At any rate, we both made the same errors – it happens and the best thing is to own up to it, I do – do you? You wrote: I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. I have headed your advise and I apologise for my errors – will you? Amen sister. I also apologise, for jumping on your words. If there is one thing I can not, and will not, tolerate, its people lumping me in with the masses, and not looking at me as an individual, as I do everyone else. Take a group of 10 Christian people. I dont see them as 10 Christians, who absolutely must be one way or another, because they are Christians. I see a group of individual people, who just so happen to belong to the same "religious title'. I say "religious title", because I think there are more people than myself, who are Christian, and think alittle outside of the box. Christians are not suppose to support gay, or lesbian people, yet our pastor preaches to a group of gay men. AND HE, IN NO WAY, IS HE TRYING TO CONVERT THEM! He does this, because they dont feel comfortable, in regular church services, given they are not accepted in the bible.(thats sad, but thats a whole different topic, for a different day). I call myself a Christian, but I believe it is much more important that 2 people find REAL LOVE in this crazy world, than what gender they both are. I know that doesnt follow the bible, and you can call my a hypocrite, but it wont change my mind. If I have to make a choice between the 2, I will not call myself Christian, and still have my love, faith, and belief in my father, and will continue to worship, and love him everyday. I want whats best for myself and my relationship with Jesus, and my heavenly father, and I personally dont care how other people view it. Ill do whats right for me and you do whats right for you. All I do want is that no matter where we both stand, that we love one another. Thats whats most important. God Bless Roberta, I know we have clashed a little bit here of late, and I know I can be a bit if not more than a bit high strung sometimes with what I have come to know about things, maybe a bit too much for my own good at times, but with what you say there, you are very much on the right track. It shows you are able to question the things you are told with an open mind. That is something very important, especially now with all sorts of beliefs, truths and lies floating around amongst us on any number of different topics. If we don't ask questions of it all, we're liable to fall for just about anything. So I am glad to see this from you, it will help you much going forward to make sense of things in this crazy world, if it hasn't already. So keep following that, love is the most important thing in the end of it to me. It's not about belief in a book, a religion, a church, whether we do this thing or that thing or don't, it's that we love. God is love, we are love, that's really all you need to know. Nothing else need be added to that.
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RAPTURE:THE COMING OF CHRIST IS VERY NEAR,jesus may come at any time from now.on that day christ ,and the angels shall sound with a trumpent and the saint in christ shall be taken away,those that dont believe in jesus christ who came to die for our sin,will find themself in hell fire,so shall their end come.brother,sister,do you want to be with christ when the trumpet sound,do u want to be free from hell and destruction,just give your life to jesus he is the only one that can save you.REPENT THE END IS AT HAND.
You really believe this Roberta? Do you know how many times over the years people have predicted the rapture or the end? Were any of them ever right? We're still here aren't we? I would have thought you'd know better than to buy into that, no offense meant. I used to believe this stuff too, to the point of actually believing it was gonna happen in the fall of 2007 and waiting for it. Course now looking back it was rather stupid of me. Now I know better and see it for what is, a bunch of BS like the rest of religion. Just I believe, we have until sometime in 2012, and thats it. End of story. In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too. It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? your putting wayyyyyyyyy too much on this! Geez! In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made.
I do believe that is exactly what I said, "I believe", not "everyone should believe"...."I"...hello, as in me only!And where do you get that it was unbendable. If its JMO its as bendable as heck. I always have an open mind, to hear anyone elses opinion. Im not a genius or God, so why would you think I claim to know all. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
Oh, now im offensive to all other baby Christians. Your really reaching there sister. I dont care what anyone else believes. I have already said that I live and let live. I think everyone has the right to believe, who, what, when, where, why, whatever THEY choose to. And no one has the right to tell them they cant, or what to believe. Again, I said,"I believe", not "everyone better believe", or "mine is the only answer". Puuuuuuuuuuulease! It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? How in the heck is that about my ego. I am a humble person,and I think its more about your ego, and thinking your so brilliant to assume that I meant that statement to be a warneing of a prediction of everyones future.I said "I" (singular) believe, and it had nothing to do with anyone elses beliefs. Or what I think they should or shouldnt believe. Where do you get off calling me an egotistical person, for having my own beliefs about things? I have the right, just like you and everyone has the right, to believe whatever I want to, and the statement was not made to the world, and saying that I "knew" anything about our destiny here for certain. It again was JMO. Where do you read in there, that I am assuming that "I" alone am correct, and know all. You dont, cause its not there. Now read this again..... "I" BELIEVE (SINGULAR) that we have until sometime in 2012. End of story.(meaning, I dont want to talk about why I believe that, but apparently you took the "end of story" as meaning, thats the only explanation, and opinion that matters. Dont you know what happens when you assume? "Redykeulous" is right. I love the way you took a general statement, that was JMO and blew it up into a dramatic cry of our future that only "I" know and can predict! Crazyyyyyyy! BTW: If your looking for someone to argue with, im not your girl. But I will explain the TOTALLY OBVIOUS in my statements if need be. I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. God Bless! I was not looking for an argument, I was making observations. I was a little surprised at how strongly you protested what I had written. My surprise made me take into consideration what you were saying and so I took another look at the posts in this thread and I see that we have both committed the same error. One of the most common errors in the written format is to substitute, emotion, words, phrases and ideas whenever the original writing has not been made clear. You were clear in your writing, (I believe) clearly attributes a belief to you alone. I didn’t take it as you saying (my belief only) because we were discussing Christian beliefs about ‘end times’. I ( and it’s may fault) attributed what you were saying to Christian beliefs. I made the leap not understanding that you still hold beliefs aside from Christian beliefs. I apologize for the error and for getting you all worked up about it. I would like to point out that you have committed the same error in return but after reviewing our exchange I also understand why. I likewise failed to develop my points and I can see how you would have been offended. I wrote: The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? At that point I was under the impression that the ‘belief’ you were holding was a Christian belief, which is why I tried to make the point that not all Christians believe as you do. The next sentence was a reference to the fact that so many Christians hold such opposing views and yet each one lays claim to having sole accuracy. That is what I was referring to when I said it sounds like it’s all about ego – but I know it’s not because such belief sets individuals up to be placed in embarrassing situations. At any rate, we both made the same errors – it happens and the best thing is to own up to it, I do – do you? You wrote: I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. I have headed your advise and I apologise for my errors – will you? Amen sister. I also apologise, for jumping on your words. If there is one thing I can not, and will not, tolerate, its people lumping me in with the masses, and not looking at me as an individual, as I do everyone else. Take a group of 10 Christian people. I dont see them as 10 Christians, who absolutely must be one way or another, because they are Christians. I see a group of individual people, who just so happen to belong to the same "religious title'. I say "religious title", because I think there are more people than myself, who are Christian, and think alittle outside of the box. Christians are not suppose to support gay, or lesbian people, yet our pastor preaches to a group of gay men. AND HE, IN NO WAY, IS HE TRYING TO CONVERT THEM! He does this, because they dont feel comfortable, in regular church services, given they are not accepted in the bible.(thats sad, but thats a whole different topic, for a different day). I call myself a Christian, but I believe it is much more important that 2 people find REAL LOVE in this crazy world, than what gender they both are. I know that doesnt follow the bible, and you can call my a hypocrite, but it wont change my mind. If I have to make a choice between the 2, I will not call myself Christian, and still have my love, faith, and belief in my father, and will continue to worship, and love him everyday. I want whats best for myself and my relationship with Jesus, and my heavenly father, and I personally dont care how other people view it. Ill do whats right for me and you do whats right for you. All I do want is that no matter where we both stand, that we love one another. Thats whats most important. God Bless Roberta, I know we have clashed a little bit here of late, and I know I can be a bit if not more than a bit high strung sometimes with what I have come to know about things, maybe a bit too much for my own good at times, but with what you say there, you are very much on the right track. It shows you are able to question the things you are told with an open mind. That is something very important, especially now with all sorts of beliefs, truths and lies floating around amongst us on any number of different topics. If we don't ask questions of it all, we're liable to fall for just about anything. So I am glad to see this from you, it will help you much going forward to make sense of things in this crazy world, if it hasn't already. So keep following that, love is the most important thing in the end of it to me. It's not about belief in a book, a religion, a church, whether we do this thing or that thing or don't, it's that we love. God is love, we are love, that's really all you need to know. Nothing else need be added to that.
I honestly dont remember us clashing Kleisto. 
And no worries babe, im not gonna get brain washed, one way or another. I think you know how I am by now, ive got a mind of my own, and thats gonna remain, no matter what. 
But thanks for watchin my back. I love you babe!
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RAPTURE:THE COMING OF CHRIST IS VERY NEAR,jesus may come at any time from now.on that day christ ,and the angels shall sound with a trumpent and the saint in christ shall be taken away,those that dont believe in jesus christ who came to die for our sin,will find themself in hell fire,so shall their end come.brother,sister,do you want to be with christ when the trumpet sound,do u want to be free from hell and destruction,just give your life to jesus he is the only one that can save you.REPENT THE END IS AT HAND.
You really believe this Roberta? Do you know how many times over the years people have predicted the rapture or the end? Were any of them ever right? We're still here aren't we? I would have thought you'd know better than to buy into that, no offense meant. I used to believe this stuff too, to the point of actually believing it was gonna happen in the fall of 2007 and waiting for it. Course now looking back it was rather stupid of me. Now I know better and see it for what is, a bunch of BS like the rest of religion. Just I believe, we have until sometime in 2012, and thats it. End of story. In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too. It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? your putting wayyyyyyyyy too much on this! Geez! In fact, it might be more conscientious of you to say that YOU hold this belief rather than to go for the drama of the closed ended, unbendable statement that you've made.
I do believe that is exactly what I said, "I believe", not "everyone should believe"...."I"...hello, as in me only!And where do you get that it was unbendable. If its JMO its as bendable as heck. I always have an open mind, to hear anyone elses opinion. Im not a genius or God, so why would you think I claim to know all. The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
Oh, now im offensive to all other baby Christians. Your really reaching there sister. I dont care what anyone else believes. I have already said that I live and let live. I think everyone has the right to believe, who, what, when, where, why, whatever THEY choose to. And no one has the right to tell them they cant, or what to believe. Again, I said,"I believe", not "everyone better believe", or "mine is the only answer". Puuuuuuuuuuulease! It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? How in the heck is that about my ego. I am a humble person,and I think its more about your ego, and thinking your so brilliant to assume that I meant that statement to be a warneing of a prediction of everyones future.I said "I" (singular) believe, and it had nothing to do with anyone elses beliefs. Or what I think they should or shouldnt believe. Where do you get off calling me an egotistical person, for having my own beliefs about things? I have the right, just like you and everyone has the right, to believe whatever I want to, and the statement was not made to the world, and saying that I "knew" anything about our destiny here for certain. It again was JMO. Where do you read in there, that I am assuming that "I" alone am correct, and know all. You dont, cause its not there. Now read this again..... "I" BELIEVE (SINGULAR) that we have until sometime in 2012. End of story.(meaning, I dont want to talk about why I believe that, but apparently you took the "end of story" as meaning, thats the only explanation, and opinion that matters. Dont you know what happens when you assume? "Redykeulous" is right. I love the way you took a general statement, that was JMO and blew it up into a dramatic cry of our future that only "I" know and can predict! Crazyyyyyyy! BTW: If your looking for someone to argue with, im not your girl. But I will explain the TOTALLY OBVIOUS in my statements if need be. I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. God Bless! I was not looking for an argument, I was making observations. I was a little surprised at how strongly you protested what I had written. My surprise made me take into consideration what you were saying and so I took another look at the posts in this thread and I see that we have both committed the same error. One of the most common errors in the written format is to substitute, emotion, words, phrases and ideas whenever the original writing has not been made clear. You were clear in your writing, (I believe) clearly attributes a belief to you alone. I didn’t take it as you saying (my belief only) because we were discussing Christian beliefs about ‘end times’. I ( and it’s may fault) attributed what you were saying to Christian beliefs. I made the leap not understanding that you still hold beliefs aside from Christian beliefs. I apologize for the error and for getting you all worked up about it. I would like to point out that you have committed the same error in return but after reviewing our exchange I also understand why. I likewise failed to develop my points and I can see how you would have been offended. I wrote: The way you've said it can be offensive to all the other baby Christians who don't believe as you do, and they think they are right too.
It makes it sound like it's all about ego, doesn't it? I know it's not becasue those who have made such claims in the past tend to look very foolish after the date has come and gone rather uneventfully. That certainly doesn't do much for the ego - does it? At that point I was under the impression that the ‘belief’ you were holding was a Christian belief, which is why I tried to make the point that not all Christians believe as you do. The next sentence was a reference to the fact that so many Christians hold such opposing views and yet each one lays claim to having sole accuracy. That is what I was referring to when I said it sounds like it’s all about ego – but I know it’s not because such belief sets individuals up to be placed in embarrassing situations. At any rate, we both made the same errors – it happens and the best thing is to own up to it, I do – do you? You wrote: I guess you need to quit putting the meaning of my words, where they doesnt belong, is my advice to you. I have headed your advise and I apologise for my errors – will you? Amen sister. I also apologise, for jumping on your words. If there is one thing I can not, and will not, tolerate, its people lumping me in with the masses, and not looking at me as an individual, as I do everyone else. Take a group of 10 Christian people. I dont see them as 10 Christians, who absolutely must be one way or another, because they are Christians. I see a group of individual people, who just so happen to belong to the same "religious title'. I say "religious title", because I think there are more people than myself, who are Christian, and think alittle outside of the box. Christians are not suppose to support gay, or lesbian people, yet our pastor preaches to a group of gay men. AND HE, IN NO WAY, IS HE TRYING TO CONVERT THEM! He does this, because they dont feel comfortable, in regular church services, given they are not accepted in the bible.(thats sad, but thats a whole different topic, for a different day). I call myself a Christian, but I believe it is much more important that 2 people find REAL LOVE in this crazy world, than what gender they both are. I know that doesnt follow the bible, and you can call my a hypocrite, but it wont change my mind. If I have to make a choice between the 2, I will not call myself Christian, and still have my love, faith, and belief in my father, and will continue to worship, and love him everyday. I want whats best for myself and my relationship with Jesus, and my heavenly father, and I personally dont care how other people view it. Ill do whats right for me and you do whats right for you. All I do want is that no matter where we both stand, that we love one another. Thats whats most important. God Bless Roberta, I know we have clashed a little bit here of late, and I know I can be a bit if not more than a bit high strung sometimes with what I have come to know about things, maybe a bit too much for my own good at times, but with what you say there, you are very much on the right track. It shows you are able to question the things you are told with an open mind. That is something very important, especially now with all sorts of beliefs, truths and lies floating around amongst us on any number of different topics. If we don't ask questions of it all, we're liable to fall for just about anything. So I am glad to see this from you, it will help you much going forward to make sense of things in this crazy world, if it hasn't already. So keep following that, love is the most important thing in the end of it to me. It's not about belief in a book, a religion, a church, whether we do this thing or that thing or don't, it's that we love. God is love, we are love, that's really all you need to know. Nothing else need be added to that.
I honestly dont remember us clashing Kleisto.
And no worries babe, im not gonna get brain washed, one way or another. I think you know how I am by now, ive got a mind of my own, and thats gonna remain, no matter what.
But thanks for watchin my back. I love you babe!
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