Zionism is NOT a conspiracy. It is a political agenda and that is a fact.

It is the absolute worst thing for real Jews.

The secular white atheist Zionists operating in America and Israel are not Jews at all. They only claim to be Jews.

They are not Jews because "Jewish" is NOT A RACE.
They are not Jews because they do not practice Judaism or believe in God.

Find out what the Bible says about "Those who pretend to be Jews but are not...."

Yep, I'm aware. Doesn't mean I have to agree with him.

I'm Jewish, because my Mother is Jewish. However, I am not religious. Does that mean I'm not really Jewish to you?

Yep.

You are not a Jew unless you consider "Jewish" to be a race.

You are a white person just like me.

Race has to do with skin color.

Ah, but according to Jews, you are only Jewish if you are born to a Jewish mother, or if you convert. You do not stop being Jewish simply because you are not religious.

You are making up your own rules. Just because you believe this way, it doesn't make your views true.

My mother is a Christian and a republican, but that does not make me a Christian or a republican.

You are correct. That has nothing to do with what we're talking about, though.

Jews make their own rules apparently.

Jews are not a race. The Jewish mother thing has to do with genetics of a certain tribe of Jews. The gene to identify that related tribe is only found and carried in the female.

But it is not a race or a religion. It is a specific family or tribe they are calling "Jewish."

For what reason? That is the big secret and the big question.

It is not because of King David or Abraham either.

You can disagree all you'd like, but it doesn't change how things are.

Why not? Jewish is a religion right?

It's not a race.

So just because my mother is a Christian does not mean that I am one.

That is what you are trying to say. That because your mother is Jewish, that you are Jewish. That's ridiculous.

I'm just telling you something that you should know. It is the truth. You might want to do some real research on it.

Whether or not I or you agree doesn't change how things are.

Jews themselves don't want to be declared to be a "race."
So then the only thing left is their religion, which many of them do not subscribe to.

Since there still seems to be some question about who is a jew
here is another article from the jewfaq...

http://www.jewfaq.org/whoisjew.htm

Who Is a Jew?

Level: Basic

• In the Bible, Jews were called Hebrews or Children of Israel
• The terms "Jew" and "Judaism" come from the tribe or kingdom of Judah
• "Jew" now refers to all physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob
• A person can be Jewish by birth or by conversion
• Traditionally, Jewish status passes through the mother, not the father
Origins of the Words "Jew" and "Judaism"

The original name for the people we now call Jews was Hebrews. The word "Hebrew" (in Hebrew, "Ivri") is first used in the Torah to describe Abraham (Gen. 14:13). The word is apparently derived from the name Eber, one of Abraham's ancestors. Another tradition teaches that the word comes from the word "eyver," which means "the other side," referring to the fact that Abraham came from the other side of the Euphrates, or referring to the fact Abraham was separated from the other nations morally and spiritually.

Another name used for the people is Children of Israel or Israelites, which refers to the fact that the people are descendants of Jacob, who was also called Israel.

The word "Jew" (in Hebrew, "Yehudi") is derived from the name Judah, which was the name of one of Jacob's twelve sons. Judah was the ancestor of one of the tribes of Israel, which was named after him. Likewise, the word Judaism literally means "Judah-ism," that is, the religion of the Yehudim. Other sources, however, say that the word "Yehudim" means "People of G-d," because the first three letters of "Yehudah" are the same as the first three letters of G-d's four-letter name.

Originally, the term Yehudi referred specifically to members of the tribe of Judah, as distinguished from the other tribes of Israel. However, after the death of King Solomon, the nation of Israel was split into two kingdoms: the kingdom of Judah and the kingdom of Israel (I Kings 12; II Chronicles 10). After that time, the word Yehudi could properly be used to describe anyone from the kingdom of Judah, which included the tribes of Judah, Benjamin and Levi, as well as scattered settlements from other tribes. The most obvious biblical example of this usage is in Esther 2:5, where Mordecai is referred to as both a Yehudi and a member of the tribe of Benjamin.

In the 6th century B.C.E., the kingdom of Israel was conquered by Assyria and the ten tribes were exiled from the land (II Kings 17), leaving only the tribes in the kingdom of Judah remaining to carry on Abraham's heritage. These people of the kingdom of Judah were generally known to themselves and to other nations as Yehudim (Jews), and that name continues to be used today.

In common speech, the word "Jew" is used to refer to all of the physical and spiritual descendants of Jacob/Israel, as well as to the patriarchs Abraham and Isaac and their wives, and the word "Judaism" is used to refer to their beliefs. Technically, this usage is inaccurate, just as it is technically inaccurate to use the word "Indian" to refer to the original inhabitants of the Americas. However, this technically inaccurate usage is common both within the Jewish community and outside of it, and is therefore used throughout this site.
Who is a Jew?

A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion to Judaism.

It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who has not undergone the formal process of conversion but who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of Judaism is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox. In this sense, Judaism is more like a nationality than like other religions, and being Jewish is like a citizenship. See What Is Judaism?

This has been established since the earliest days of Judaism. In the Torah, you will see many references to "the strangers who dwell among you" or "righteous proselytes" or "righteous strangers." These are various classifications of non-Jews who lived among Jews, adopting some or all of the beliefs and practices of Judaism without going through the formal process of conversion and becoming Jews. Once a person has converted to Judaism, he is not referred to by any special term; he is as much a Jew as anyone born Jewish.

Although all Jewish movements agree on these general principles, there are occasional disputes as to whether a particular individual is a Jew. Most of these disputes fall into one of two categories.

First, traditional Judaism maintains that a person is a Jew if his mother is a Jew, regardless of who his father is. The liberal movements, on the other hand, consider a person to be Jewish if either of his parents was Jewish and the child was raised Jewish. Thus, if the child of a Jewish father and a Christian mother is raised Jewish, the child is a Jew according to the Reform movement, but not according to the Orthodox movement. On the other hand, if the child of a Christian father and a Jewish mother is not raised Jewish, the child is a Jew according to the Orthodox movement, but not according to the Reform movement! The matter becomes even more complicated, because the status of that children's children also comes into question.

Second, the more traditional movements do not always acknowledge the validity of conversions by the more liberal movements. The more modern movements do not always follow the procedures required by the more traditional movements, thereby invalidating the conversion. In addition, Orthodoxy does not accept the authority of Conservative, Reform and Reconstructionist rabbis to perform conversions, and the Conservative movement has debated whether to accept the authority of Reform rabbis.

But Slowhand, you have argued over and over that Jewish is a religion, not a race.

Are you now changing that claim??

Forget the fiction of the Bible and any of the fictional characters. They are all fiction.

The idea of the "Jewish People" descended from King David and Abraham etc. is a bunch of unprovable fiction. Its a made up story.

Its not true.

All of the stuff you posted above proves that there is a lot of controversy and questions about who is or is not considered "Jewish."

So what is the difference between "race" and "nationality?"

If this is what you are saying, then people who keep preaching at me that Jewish is a religion and nothing more, should stop making that claim.

Also, apparently there are many different Jewish sects, families and nationalities who still call themselves Jewish. There is a lot of discrimination among Jews towards other Jews of different beliefs and sects.

There is no controversy about who is or is not considered Jewish. It's quite clear, as you can see. What is confusing for you? What is the controversy?

And since you seem to disagree with what makes someone Jewish, can you provide proof what slowhand has shown is no longer true?

Yes but I am not putting down a man with a academic record such as Norman Finkelstein...unless of course slow has a record to match in which case he might want to share it with us and we can Quote him. I hope I do not have to explain that any further.

So, because you agree with this guy because of his "academic record," you believe everyone has to agree? Why?

The biggest problem I have is that when I say that I am anti-Zionist, and that I appose Israeli policies and laws, people have the gall to tell me I am anti-Semitic or anti-Jewish or that I am racist or that I discriminate because of someone's religion. That is simply not true, and I am sick of people saying that to me.

I resent that slander. I will not put up with that because it is slander.

I have a right to have a political opinion about Israel and their Zionist government and their war crimes without being subject to slander and propaganda.

People need to separate Zionism from Jews. There are many many Jews who appose Zionism. Hats off to them. They know what is going on.

They also need to separate Jews from the fiction of the Bible. There is no evidence that King David ever existed. Abraham also. Those stories were invented. The Jewish people themselves were invented and given a fake lineage to some non-existent King David.

So... what is the controversy over who is or is not jewish?