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Why do jesus weep
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I saw,i heard him weeping
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If you are referring to the death of Lazarus, I personally believe Jesus was weeping for the lack of faith of the people.
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Why do jesus weep I believe it was a cry of emotion for his friend to his father |
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I guess I figure that Jesus already knew He was going to resurrect Lazarus and knew of his death several days before going to him...so if it were the pain of his loss, why wouldn't He have wept then? And why would He have wept at all, knowing that death is the fate of every man and knowing that He could/would bring Lazarus back?
I know many who believe that He wept for the sorrow of the women and people when he witnessed how hard they took the loss of Lazarus, but I just don't understand Jesus as joining in the weeping from sympathy, rather than calming the sorrow of the people with the joy that Lazarus had joined His Father and Lord, or for what He was about to do in bringing Lazarus back. This is what leads me to believe that He saw the weeping of the people as proof that they still didn't get it, which He would have more reason to weep over than the death of His friend. |
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Edited by
Milesoftheusa
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Thu 10/20/11 11:21 AM
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Yahshua knew the scriptures and believed. he had the gifts. But i do not believe he knew everything that was happening in the world all at the same time.. Thats why he came as a Babe.. To show us that Perfection can be done. Him being Perfect by following the law showed that whatever you ask for will be given to you because " It is written"
He was tempted as we are and did not sin. but he had emotions as we do.. He was a man.. he was not Elohim in the Flesh as he was in the OT.. Thier he materialized u might say to be what ever we needed him to be for our own good.. He was Elohim's son who all things were done through him. This he showed in the flesh as a man.. He would say like to satan or others " It is written" He showed that the dead could rise if we will only follow.. he said we would do greater things than him. say to this mountain move and it will.. He calmed the storm.. they said what kind of man is this that even the elements of earth listen to him.. In the beginning we were given dominion over everything on this planet. he showed it.. It says the earth cried over the 1st shedding of blood.. Abels. It did over Yahshua's also. To say that Yahshua was not tempted and did not feel exactly as we do is to deny the power of Yahweh. He was a man born of a woman. Yahweh breathed into Adam and he was given life. Yahweh breathed into Yahshua and gave him life. Thats what baptism is all about a new life.. you take one breath as you go under the water and you take a new breath as you come back up.The spirit is able to enter now a new temple a new man.. Thats why Yahshua had to be baptised to show this.. The 2nd Adam born of woman.. held in water until his time.. a child born. but we must be born again but Yahshua did not have to but he did to show us the way. so Yahshua had feelings .. he cried before his death. Father if possible take this cup from me. never the less your will be done. Thats the key complete submission that someone is higher than you. makes you equal with everyone else in that regard. Yahshua was human or else what he did was useless and he was not the promiced Messiah.an example can not have special powers we do not have it we really want them.. and in powers I mean a will to serve each other putting Yahweh 1st and our brethern after that or our spouce.. the chain of command.. but we must believe he can raise us from the dead as Abraham did also. Yahshua loved him so he cried out to his father to bring him to life then commanded him to with no doubt he would and Yahweh raised him.. not Yahshua in that since because he can do nothing without his father.. Matt 26:52-54 52 But Yahshua said to him, "Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword. 53 Or do you think that I cannot now pray to My Father , and He will provide Me with more than twelve legions of angels? 54 How then could the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must happen thus?" NKJV Just like here he believed and they did not.. Blessings..Miles |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Thu 10/20/11 02:18 PM
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I saw,i heard him weeping Mikeono, I believe you are relating to our Savior! You are feeling Him in your spirit. Not many do. May He reward your love and faith!!! CeriseRose |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Thu 10/20/11 03:04 PM
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"And it shall come to pass afterward,
that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , your old men shall dream dreams , your young men shall see visions :" Joel 2:28 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy , and your young men shall see visions , and your old men shall dream dreams:" Acts 2:17 |
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Yahshua knew the scriptures and believed. he had the gifts. But i do not believe he knew everything that was happening in the world all at the same time.. Thats why he came as a Babe.. To show us that Perfection can be done. Him being Perfect by following the law showed that whatever you ask for will be given to you because " It is written" I too belive that Jesus was a man, and don't think he knew everything that was going on in the world, but according to John, Jesus knew of Lazarus's death before he set out. He delayed in going to him so that he could resurrect him...that the deciples/people would believe. So why did he cry later over something he already knew prior? Just like here he believed and they did not.. Blessings..Miles I think most of us assume that when a man is crying, the cause is usually over the larger sadness, and not the lesser. Don't you think that the fact that the people did not believe was a source of bigger sadness to Jesus than the temporary death of a friend; a death that Jesus had already declared to his deciples as being "but for the glory of God"? |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 10/21/11 09:19 AM
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I guess I figure that Jesus already knew He was going to resurrect Lazarus and knew of his death several days before going to him...so if it were the pain of his loss, why wouldn't He have wept then? And why would He have wept at all, knowing that death is the fate of every man and knowing that He could/would bring Lazarus back? I know many who believe that He wept for the sorrow of the women and people when he witnessed how hard they took the loss of Lazarus, but I just don't understand Jesus as joining in the weeping from sympathy, rather than calming the sorrow of the people with the joy that Lazarus had joined His Father and Lord, or for what He was about to do in bringing Lazarus back. This is what leads me to believe that He saw the weeping of the people as proof that they still didn't get it, which He would have more reason to weep over than the death of His friend. There is nothing here to indicate that Jesus was overwhelmed with sadness that the family of Lazarus didn't "get it". He felt their pain. Everything that is a concern to us is a concern to Him. When we cry, He cries. For the Glory of God this time was appointed that He should give them more Blessed Assurance that He is the RESURRECTION! This occasion was recorded that WE too may trust. Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live": John 11:25 |
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Edited by
CeriseRose
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Fri 10/21/11 09:28 AM
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We cry at funerals, and He understands the pain of loss.
But He has now taught us that He is the Resurrection and the life. We know that new life awaits many of our loved ones. The Blessed Hope!!! |
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There is nothing here to indicate that Jesus was overwhelmed with sadness that the family of Lazarus didn't "get it". I didn't say that I thought there was any indication that Jesus was overwhelmed with sadness... What I actually said was..." I know many who believe that He wept for the sorrow of the women and people when he witnessed how hard they took the loss of Lazarus, but I just don't understand Jesus as joining in the weeping from sympathy..." What I said that I believe is..."...that He saw the weeping of the people as proof that they still didn't get it..." It was not just Lazarus's family, but all of the people weeping...and not rejoicing for the deed that Jesus was about to do. Jesus said unto her, "I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live": John 11:25 Yes, He said this to Martha and she said that she believed him. He also explained this to Mary and she said she also believed. But even after claiming to believe that Jesus could bring him back, they did not rejoice, but wept. Mary went to the grave to weep. Does this sound like someone who believes? If Jesus told you that he was going to bring a loved one back from the dead...back in the flesh, and you really beleived him, wouldn't you be elated? Or would you continue to mourn? All of the people doubted him or they would have rejoiced at his declaration, not wept. Instead they told him that he had been dead so long that he already stank. Is this an affirmation of people who truly believe he can do what he claims? No...they were speaking their doubts. |
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For anyone trying to understand how I came to this understanding of this scripture, please keep in mind that there was still much disbelief at this time among Jesus’ followers. They may have loved him and followed him at any cost, but they did not yet fully understand what he was capable of.
Take into consideration that Jesus’ own disciples did not believe him when he told them they would be safe going back to Judea to see Lazarus. They were convinced that he would be stoned. They decided to go with him, so that they could die at his side. |
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Jesus is still much sorrowful in heaven.
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