Just trying this image thing out...

I don't see anything wrong with that - nothing at all. I see this as the early stage of something.

You know, there are activists organizations that have 3 or 4 smart, central organizers who get a half dozen people to make a whole bunch of signs, and a few dozen people to stand with them, and spin it just right - with press releases and media contacts, so that the local news reports on it as if it were a big deal.

I find that dishonest, in a way. A small group of manipulators can achieve a strong media presence. This situation is the opposite of that!

The media ignored them at first, not because of some diabolical conspiracy theory, but because they were just a bunch of people without structure and press releases.

This protest is more real and more meaningful to me, because its bottom up. Because it was fueled originally by hundreds then thousands of passionate individuals, not skilled organizers with mission statements and press releases.

The fact that so many people are participating despite the lack of central organization and a dominant, single, coherent purpose or message is speaks to how strongly they feel.

I look forward to seeing how this evolves.

At the very least, more of mainstream is experiencing first hand how unnecessarily abusive the police can be.

This is in the spirit of Ross Perot's party, back in the day.

Again bought and paid for, the police it seems are now there to protect the elite rather than the peaceful protesters.

I suppose what they really mean is that they have not really grabbed the attention of bank owners and such.

Because afaict, the attention is not from the media - the attention was initially and strongly grabbed over social networking.





We'll see. While I mostly agree, the people who think this is absolute truth don't seem to understand the full implications of social networking. It is absolutely possible for a mostly leaderless movement to find massive traction among voters, if the memes are strong.


OTOH, I predict a core group and coherent message will emerge, regardless.



Ah, a short sighted approach to capitalism. sigh.




That's an understatement.

I've been a member of over a half dozen financial organizations (credit unions and banks). I signed up for BoA many years ago, then went home and read through the pages of the fine print, as I usually do. They had the most anti-customer policies of any bank or CU I'd ever seen! I was just shocked that people were dumb enough to sign up for BoA! (Including myself).

First we take Manhattan.....then we take Berlin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HUiwng77wOU#!

http://biggovernment.com/abreitbart/2011/10/14/crowdsource-this-social-list-emails-expose-occupywallstreet-conspiracy-to-destablize-global-markets-governments/






We’re in this for the long haul. There are no “solutions” that can be presented quickly to make us go away. And so there will be moments where our presence is no longer an uncomfortable and unknown variable, but rather is normalized and integrated. It’s in those moments that we have to push the envelop [sic], pry open the space of possibility even farther. We go as far as we can to destabalize [sic], but maintain momentum. And when that’s the new “normal” then we go farther. That’s how change happens, how we shift the terrain and the terms of the game.

- Email in “Occupy” archive, “Re: Can OWS be turned into a Democratic Party Movement?”; Wednesday, October 12, 2011.......

good luck with that.

A veteran Democratic political operative says the Obama administration’s decision to embrace the Occupy Wall Street protests “may cost them the 2012 election.”

Douglas Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton in the 1990s, wrote in Tuesday’s Wall Street Journal that Obama and his allies in Congress are making a “critical mistake” by affiliating themselves with the far-left protesters.

“The Occupy Wall Street movement reflects values that are dangerously out of touch with the broad mass of the American people,” Schoen wrote. He argued that independent swing voters are particularly likely to be turned off by the protesters’ radicalism.

Schoen’s polling indicates that the “occupiers” in lower Manhattan have little in common with the vast majority of Americans. “Our research shows clearly that the movement doesn’t represent unemployed America and is not ideologically diverse,” he writes. “Rather, it comprises an unrepresentative segment of the electorate that believes in radical redistribution of wealth, civil disobedience and, in some instances, violence.”

Specifically, Schoen’s polling found that 31 percent of the protesters based in Zuccotti Park “would support violence to advance their agenda,” while nearly all of them support civil disobedience. More than half have participated in a political movement before.

The majority of the protesters have jobs, while only 15 percent are unemployed. Thirty-two percent identify themselves as Democrats, and 48 percent say they will work to re-elect President Obama in 2012. Thirty-three percent say they aren’t affiliated with any political party.

What really unites the protesters, writes Schoen, is their “deep commitment to left-wing policies” including “opposition to free-market capitalism and support for radical redistribution of wealth.” They also support “intense regulation of the private sector” and “protectionist policies to keep American jobs from going overseas.” Sixty-five percent believe that that the government has the duty to provide Americans with a secure retirement, health care and a college education “no matter what the cost.”

Schoen notes that these numbers are wildly out of sync with the rest of the country. A plurality of Americans, 41 percent, identifies as conservative, and 36 percent identify as moderate. Only 21 percent of Americans consider themselves to be liberals, and Schoen believes playing to that base at the expense of independent voters will cost the Democrats dearly in 2012.

“Put simply, Democrats need to say they are with voters in the middle who want cooperation, conciliation and lower taxes,” Schoen writes. “And they should work particularly hard to contrast their rhetoric with the extremes advocated by the Occupy Wall Street crowd.”

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/18/dem-strategist-party-leaderships-embrace-of-protesters-may-cost-them-the-2012-election/


Good Luck with your new Rulers!

Oh, I hope not. Another thing about the lack of organization - democrat organizations have already been trying, and failing, to co-op this movement. I hope they continue to fail. Many tea partiers also support OWS, and this is a good thing.

Whatever organization might emerge from this, I hope it works as far outside the 2 party system as it can.

"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204002304576628673446417268.html

‘What Dems Say About Obama When He’s Not in the Room is Astonishing’

The Exasperation of the Democratic Billionaire
Real-estate and newspaper mogul Mortimer Zuckerman voted for Obama but began seeing trouble as soon as the stimulus went into the pockets of municipal unions.

By JAMES FREEMAN

New York

'It's as if he doesn't like people," says real-estate mogul and New York Daily News owner Mortimer Zuckerman of the president of the United States. Barack Obama doesn't seem to care for individuals, elaborates Mr. Zuckerman, though the president enjoys addressing millions of them on television.

The Boston Properties CEO is trying to understand why Mr. Obama has made little effort to build relationships on Capitol Hill or negotiate a bipartisan economic plan. A longtime supporter of the Democratic Party, Mr. Zuckerman wrote in these pages two months ago that the entire business community was "pleading for some kind of adult supervision" in Washington and "desperate for strong leadership." Writing soon after the historic downgrade of U.S. Treasury debt by Standard & Poor's, he wrote, "I long for a triple-A president to run a triple-A country."

His words struck a chord. When I visit Mr. Zuckerman this week in his midtown Manhattan office, he reports that three people approached him at dinner the previous evening to discuss his August op-ed. Among business executives who supported Barack Obama in 2008, he says, "there is enormously widespread anxiety over the political leadership of the country." Mr. Zuckerman reports that among Democrats, "The sense is that the policies of this government have failed. . . . What they say about [Mr. Obama] when he's not in the room, so to speak, is astonishing."...............

Oh, I hope not. Another thing about the lack of organization - democrat organizations have already been trying, and failing, to co-op this movement. I hope they continue to fail. Many tea partiers also support OWS, and this is a good thing.

Whatever organization might emerge from this, I hope it works as far outside the 2 party system as it can.


Why am I in total agreement with you young man........I am the reverse of your age.....Keep up the good fight because that is what it is a fight......

And that sir, is exactly why I do whatever I can to expose the cancer that is progressive collectivism.

Hear,Hear!

good luck with that.


"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke


And that sir, is exactly why I do whatever I can to expose the cancer that is progressive collectivism.






You must be one of the 1% then...Good Luck to you...

"With all [our] blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow citizens--a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities." --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Inaugural, 1801.

Todays liberals = progressive collectivists = socialists = communists = fascists...

Good of a society or good of an individual, no contest...

Government only gains power by the consent of those governed...

Exactly!
But tell that a Liberal!

That's what I'm doing Con!

Got your Two by Four along with you?