Topic: They Died in Vain (Deal With It)
Kleisto's photo
Wed 08/10/11 03:51 AM






No, I was applauding the article by RAY McGOVERN.

And since when did you become an expert in psychiatry? laugh laugh laugh

And your method of attacking the messenger(s) does not fly. I applaud the message.




No psychiatry about it, you read someone, size them up, find their trigger, pull it and then defend yourself then laugh your a$$ off while THEY goto jail! drinker




So let me get this strait.

You are bragging that you picked on the mother of a 25 year-old soldier killed in Iraq and made her cry at a move America Forward rally for President Obama. Is that what you are bragging about?

Way to go. ohwell frown




Yup, damn proud of it. She is a skitziod with Paraniod Personality Disorder(which ALL of the truthers suffer by the way), anti-governmental tendancies, bi-polar disorder and probably a host of other mental disorders for that matter. She's a nut job and I am GLAD I did what I did.




You're disgusting, there are no words.....like I said before YOU are part of the problem. This just proves it.

I like the anti-governmental tendancies BTW. Heaven forbid someone choose NOT to bow to their corporate masters and (gasp) THINK FOR THEMSELVES. Nope we can't have that can we? Not in Amerika we can't.


First of all im not disgusting, I'm AWESOME!!!!!!!!! Second, I don't bow to anyone!(Usually other way around) and I do and always have thought for myself. You see I don't have a severe medical\mental condition called paranoid personality disorder that ALL the truthers suffer from.




Whatever you say dude, I'm not even gonna waste my time on you anymore, it's pointless.

Chazster's photo
Wed 08/10/11 08:21 AM


laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.

no photo
Wed 08/10/11 08:38 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 08/10/11 08:39 AM



laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.


True, its the federal reserve which isn't federal at all. Its a privately owned entity. 57% own by the Rothchilds.

Get rid of the Fed and let congress print our money. Get rid of the Federal reserve note. Print real money for a change.

Chazster's photo
Wed 08/10/11 12:24 PM

Hell, I had the "Kid" on here pegged in less then ten seconds, and you after about 5.


They are like mel gibson in conspiracy theory. except for the part about being right and having the government after them. I wonder if they put a bottle upside down on their doorknob?

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 08/10/11 01:02 PM



laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.
laugh rofl laugh

Lpdon's photo
Wed 08/10/11 03:35 PM


Hell, I had the "Kid" on here pegged in less then ten seconds, and you after about 5.


They are like mel gibson in conspiracy theory. except for the part about being right and having the government after them. I wonder if they put a bottle upside down on their doorknob?


Dunno but maybe they will get a visit by the Black Choppers.........laugh

Chazster's photo
Wed 08/10/11 04:54 PM



Hell, I had the "Kid" on here pegged in less then ten seconds, and you after about 5.


They are like mel gibson in conspiracy theory. except for the part about being right and having the government after them. I wonder if they put a bottle upside down on their doorknob?


Dunno but maybe they will get a visit by the Black Choppers.........laugh

Or Patrick Stuart.

Lpdon's photo
Thu 08/11/11 10:36 AM
rofl

no photo
Thu 08/11/11 10:55 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 08/11/11 10:55 AM
I don't get the joke about Patrick Stuart.

Have you ever seen a silent black helicopter?

I saw them in the 60's when they were top secret aircraft and were not supposed to even exist!

Chazster's photo
Thu 08/11/11 11:02 AM

I don't get the joke about Patrick Stuart.

Have you ever seen a silent black helicopter?

I saw them in the 60's when they were top secret aircraft and were not supposed to even exist!


Have you seen the movie conspiracy theory? I mentioned that in my post. Patrick Stuart was the guy in charge of the secret government agency that was after him.slaphead

Chazster's photo
Thu 08/11/11 11:09 AM




laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.
laugh rofl laugh


Look up the cost of the war. Higher ones say something around 3 trillion maybe over 10 years. That doesn't take into account that soldiers would still be paid even if not in the war etc. I have seen as low as 1.2 when taking stuff like that into consideration
http://costofwar.com/en/

So whats 3 trillion divided by 10 years about 300 billion a year.
3 trillion of a over 14 trillion deficit. What about the other 11 trillion? We would still have that.

no photo
Thu 08/11/11 11:32 AM


I don't get the joke about Patrick Stuart.

Have you ever seen a silent black helicopter?

I saw them in the 60's when they were top secret aircraft and were not supposed to even exist!


Have you seen the movie conspiracy theory? I mentioned that in my post. Patrick Stuart was the guy in charge of the secret government agency that was after him.slaphead


OH YEH! I did see that movie. But when I think of Patrick Stuart I think of Star Trec.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 08/11/11 12:58 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Thu 08/11/11 01:00 PM





laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.
laugh rofl laugh


Look up the cost of the war. Higher ones say something around 3 trillion maybe over 10 years. That doesn't take into account that soldiers would still be paid even if not in the war etc. I have seen as low as 1.2 when taking stuff like that into consideration
http://costofwar.com/en/

So whats 3 trillion divided by 10 years about 300 billion a year.
3 trillion of a over 14 trillion deficit. What about the other 11 trillion? We would still have that.

It’s seriously very hard to spend $3 trillion. I still didn’t end up making it all the way; after over an hour on the site my grand total was $2,885,172,839,274.00 for all of the following:

Universal Health Care for Every American
Fight AIDS in developing nations
Search for a cure to cancer
Switch to solar power (all of America)
Fund research for alternatives to oil
National rapid transit system
Clean up pollution (in major cities)
Achieve universal literacy
End hunger and poverty related diseases
Increase sustainable organic produce in the US
Finish repairing the damage done by Hurricane Katrina
Cure a deadly disease
Sustainable agriculture education, worldwide
Non-violent leadership training (1 year) for 10 million leaders
Food, shelter & vet care for unwanted pets
End animal testing
K-12 arts and music education
New clothing, shoes, coats and schools supplies for 10 million children
Build 100 new schools
Pay 1,000 teachers’ salaries
Give all firefighters a raise
Plant 1,000,000 trees
National Park Service Annual Budget
Help rebuild Iraq
Send Bush to Mars (1 way ticket)

Maybe putting a price tag on the steaming bag of **** we’ve been sold as a nation will help people wake up and realize how much this war is affecting the world. If over 1 million dead Iraqis and 4,000 dead Americans isn’t enough for you – not to mention the destabilization of an entire region – perhaps what Americans really need to come to grips with the reality of this situation is to see how that money could have solved all of their complaints. Snowed under by hospital bills? We could have a whole new system in place by now! Nervously living in a region where a natural disaster could easily wipe out your entire community? You could have levees, shelters and emergency backup plans galore!

http://earthfirst.com/what-would-you-buy-with-the-3-trillion-spent-on-the-iraq-war/

go to 3trillion.org and see how you could spend 3 trillion.

Chazster's photo
Thu 08/11/11 01:46 PM
Edited by Chazster on Thu 08/11/11 01:47 PM






laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.
laugh rofl laugh


Look up the cost of the war. Higher ones say something around 3 trillion maybe over 10 years. That doesn't take into account that soldiers would still be paid even if not in the war etc. I have seen as low as 1.2 when taking stuff like that into consideration
http://costofwar.com/en/

So whats 3 trillion divided by 10 years about 300 billion a year.
3 trillion of a over 14 trillion deficit. What about the other 11 trillion? We would still have that.

It’s seriously very hard to spend $3 trillion. I still didn’t end up making it all the way; after over an hour on the site my grand total was $2,885,172,839,274.00 for all of the following:

Universal Health Care for Every American
Fight AIDS in developing nations
Search for a cure to cancer
Switch to solar power (all of America)
Fund research for alternatives to oil
National rapid transit system
Clean up pollution (in major cities)
Achieve universal literacy
End hunger and poverty related diseases
Increase sustainable organic produce in the US
Finish repairing the damage done by Hurricane Katrina
Cure a deadly disease
Sustainable agriculture education, worldwide
Non-violent leadership training (1 year) for 10 million leaders
Food, shelter & vet care for unwanted pets
End animal testing
K-12 arts and music education
New clothing, shoes, coats and schools supplies for 10 million children
Build 100 new schools
Pay 1,000 teachers’ salaries
Give all firefighters a raise
Plant 1,000,000 trees
National Park Service Annual Budget
Help rebuild Iraq
Send Bush to Mars (1 way ticket)

Maybe putting a price tag on the steaming bag of **** we’ve been sold as a nation will help people wake up and realize how much this war is affecting the world. If over 1 million dead Iraqis and 4,000 dead Americans isn’t enough for you – not to mention the destabilization of an entire region – perhaps what Americans really need to come to grips with the reality of this situation is to see how that money could have solved all of their complaints. Snowed under by hospital bills? We could have a whole new system in place by now! Nervously living in a region where a natural disaster could easily wipe out your entire community? You could have levees, shelters and emergency backup plans galore!

http://earthfirst.com/what-would-you-buy-with-the-3-trillion-spent-on-the-iraq-war/

go to 3trillion.org and see how you could spend 3 trillion.

Did you multiply all that by 10 years to equal how long we have been in this war? It was only averaging about 300 billion a year.

We have 307 million people in the US. You want me to believe an average of $1000/person would cover medical costs?
To put this in perspective Canada has 33 milion people and in 2009 Spent about 180 billion. US has 10 times more people so logical to think 10 times more costs or close to 1.8 trillion for 1 year. Thats more than 50% of what we spent over the war in 10 years.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 08/11/11 05:04 PM







laugh laugh laugh this should be in jokes and funny stories section.
Nothing funny about it. This country was led to war on lies and now we are bankrupting ourselves to fund them. All the while the rich enjoy the lowest tax rates in rescent history.

I cant imagine how any american can cheerlead these imoral and misguided wars.


The war isn't the reason we dont have money.
laugh rofl laugh


Look up the cost of the war. Higher ones say something around 3 trillion maybe over 10 years. That doesn't take into account that soldiers would still be paid even if not in the war etc. I have seen as low as 1.2 when taking stuff like that into consideration
http://costofwar.com/en/

So whats 3 trillion divided by 10 years about 300 billion a year.
3 trillion of a over 14 trillion deficit. What about the other 11 trillion? We would still have that.

It’s seriously very hard to spend $3 trillion. I still didn’t end up making it all the way; after over an hour on the site my grand total was $2,885,172,839,274.00 for all of the following:

Universal Health Care for Every American
Fight AIDS in developing nations
Search for a cure to cancer
Switch to solar power (all of America)
Fund research for alternatives to oil
National rapid transit system
Clean up pollution (in major cities)
Achieve universal literacy
End hunger and poverty related diseases
Increase sustainable organic produce in the US
Finish repairing the damage done by Hurricane Katrina
Cure a deadly disease
Sustainable agriculture education, worldwide
Non-violent leadership training (1 year) for 10 million leaders
Food, shelter & vet care for unwanted pets
End animal testing
K-12 arts and music education
New clothing, shoes, coats and schools supplies for 10 million children
Build 100 new schools
Pay 1,000 teachers’ salaries
Give all firefighters a raise
Plant 1,000,000 trees
National Park Service Annual Budget
Help rebuild Iraq
Send Bush to Mars (1 way ticket)

Maybe putting a price tag on the steaming bag of **** we’ve been sold as a nation will help people wake up and realize how much this war is affecting the world. If over 1 million dead Iraqis and 4,000 dead Americans isn’t enough for you – not to mention the destabilization of an entire region – perhaps what Americans really need to come to grips with the reality of this situation is to see how that money could have solved all of their complaints. Snowed under by hospital bills? We could have a whole new system in place by now! Nervously living in a region where a natural disaster could easily wipe out your entire community? You could have levees, shelters and emergency backup plans galore!

http://earthfirst.com/what-would-you-buy-with-the-3-trillion-spent-on-the-iraq-war/

go to and see how you could spend 3 trillion.

Did you multiply all that by 10 years to equal how long we have been in this war? It was only averaging about 300 billion a year.

We have 307 million people in the US. You want me to believe an average of $1000/person would cover medical costs?
To put this in perspective Canada has 33 milion people and in 2009 Spent about 180 billion. US has 10 times more people so logical to think 10 times more costs or close to 1.8 trillion for 1 year. Thats more than 50% of what we spent over the war in 10 years.
Go to the website and see for yourself what 3 trillion could by this country or use your imagination. Once again it is 3trillion.org


Chazster's photo
Thu 08/11/11 05:41 PM
And do the math. Like I said it would cost almost 2 trillion for 1 year of healthcare. Also you fail to discuss the other 11 million. Like I said the war isn't why we are In debt.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 08/11/11 06:08 PM

And do the math. Like I said it would cost almost 2 trillion for 1 year of healthcare. Also you fail to discuss the other 11 million. Like I said the war isn't why we are In debt.
Bs on that sure we would still pay the troops fighting or not but the main expense is all those over chargeing defence contractors and consumables. this nations treasury is being looted

donthatoneguy's photo
Thu 08/11/11 06:11 PM

Its just 300 billion dollars.


Well, if it ain't no thang, why don't YOU foot the bill yourself. You don't mind working for free, right Chazster?

Despite your idiotic opinion, $300B is A LOT OF MONEY. I don't particularly care how "little it is in comparison to X" and neither should anyone else, its still wasted money. Its like telling your SO:

"Yeah, we could get a new house that's desperately needed for our family, but this T3 connection isn't what's making us bankrupt ... it's ONLY $500/month. Its the FOOD that we're buying and the heating bill in the winter and the paying for school supplies and clothing for the children that's REALLY draining our bank account".

Do you people really hate Democrats THAT much that you'll stand by the stupidity of a horrible Republican president out of spite? Seriously.

Chazster's photo
Thu 08/11/11 07:45 PM


Its just 300 billion dollars.


Well, if it ain't no thang, why don't YOU foot the bill yourself. You don't mind working for free, right Chazster?

Despite your idiotic opinion, $300B is A LOT OF MONEY. I don't particularly care how "little it is in comparison to X" and neither should anyone else, its still wasted money. Its like telling your SO:

"Yeah, we could get a new house that's desperately needed for our family, but this T3 connection isn't what's making us bankrupt ... it's ONLY $500/month. Its the FOOD that we're buying and the heating bill in the winter and the paying for school supplies and clothing for the children that's REALLY draining our bank account".

Do you people really hate Democrats THAT much that you'll stand by the stupidity of a horrible Republican president out of spite? Seriously.



When you compare it to the deficit I am saying. What about the only 11 trillion dollars? Compared to the entire budget that is not such a large bill. I am not saying its insignificant but its not enough that if we didn't have it we wouldn't be in debt. That is my argument. Take away the war and we would still be 11 trillion in debt.

My point also of just 300 billion being way less than what we would pay to cover everyone for universal healthcare as Canada pays nearly 200 billion a year to cover 1/10th of our population.

donthatoneguy's photo
Fri 08/12/11 08:25 AM

When you compare it to the deficit I am saying. What about the only 11 trillion dollars? Compared to the entire budget that is not such a large bill. I am not saying its insignificant but its not enough that if we didn't have it we wouldn't be in debt. That is my argument. Take away the war and we would still be 11 trillion in debt.

My point also of just 300 billion being way less than what we would pay to cover everyone for universal healthcare as Canada pays nearly 200 billion a year to cover 1/10th of our population.


So, we might as well keep paying it then? The bigger point is that no matter what's more expensive, its still ADDING to the debt and there's much better things to spend it on ... even universal healthcare for 1 year is better for THIS country. Things that are helpful to citizens (like everyone argued for the case of tax cuts) aren't a waste of money.

But hey, if you're still a big fan of the war effort, I guess that's better than sending EVERY kid in the U.S. to college for the next ten years, instead eh? We don't want people making educated decisions so this never happens again, do we?