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Topic: American's wrong direction
Dragoness's photo
Thu 07/28/11 08:33 PM




Wrong direction:

Wars or military actions in other countries. Would solve our budget problems too and save lives.

More self produced industries. Obama is working on this with all the environmental friendly industries. Just saw a sign for training for this on the church lawn up the street the other day.

Spending money reinforcing big oil.

Bush tax cuts that have never stimulated anything except already rich folks pockets.

We really need to stop corporate financing of our public officials also we should stop them from financing themselves.


Bush tax cuts gave me money and I am not a super rich person.
also the cost of wars for the past 10 years is about 1 trillion. Our dept is 14 trillion. So no you are wrong.



You are wrong still.

The Uber rich benefited from the Bush tax breaks far more than any average Joe did.

Your cost of the wars is not accurate either.



http://costofwar.com/en/
And yes the rich people got about 1% more cut yet they pay a much higher percentage than I do. And No I am not wrong. You said it only stimulated the rich. By informing that it gave me money it proves you are wrong. Just because rich people ALSO got money doesn't mean other people didnt.


I am not wrong and we are not going to agree here.

You are wrong. The rich benefited and are still benefiting more from the tax cuts than anyone else did.

And the cost of war is more than 1 trillion, it was more than that before Bush left.

Chazster's photo
Thu 07/28/11 09:40 PM





Wrong direction:

Wars or military actions in other countries. Would solve our budget problems too and save lives.

More self produced industries. Obama is working on this with all the environmental friendly industries. Just saw a sign for training for this on the church lawn up the street the other day.

Spending money reinforcing big oil.

Bush tax cuts that have never stimulated anything except already rich folks pockets.

We really need to stop corporate financing of our public officials also we should stop them from financing themselves.


Bush tax cuts gave me money and I am not a super rich person.
also the cost of wars for the past 10 years is about 1 trillion. Our dept is 14 trillion. So no you are wrong.



You are wrong still.

The Uber rich benefited from the Bush tax breaks far more than any average Joe did.

Your cost of the wars is not accurate either.



http://costofwar.com/en/
And yes the rich people got about 1% more cut yet they pay a much higher percentage than I do. And No I am not wrong. You said it only stimulated the rich. By informing that it gave me money it proves you are wrong. Just because rich people ALSO got money doesn't mean other people didnt.


I am not wrong and we are not going to agree here.

You are wrong. The rich benefited and are still benefiting more from the tax cuts than anyone else did.

And the cost of war is more than 1 trillion, it was more than that before Bush left.

Again you are now trying to change what you wrote but its in the quote. You said "Bush tax cuts that have never stimulated anything except already rich folks pockets". Then I said it stimulated my pockets and now you say oh the rich get more. See when someone calls you out on something you try to change your story and claim the other is wrong.

I sited a source if you want to site a source that gives information thats fine. BTW that site only counts the soldiers combat pay as they would be paid if they were in a war or not thus it is not war spending.

AndyBgood's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:00 PM


America is on the wrong track all the way. We are loosing Industry! We lost credibility in the world. The numbers of poor are growing and the middle class is shrinking. There are way too many fingers in the political pie. Nothing is being done to actually curb the deficit. There is not enough personal responsibility of our leadership. I mean I could go on and on and on but to keep things to the point there is no way I am going to believe America or Americans are on the right track.


Yeah but what is the right track?


The right track?

Leave the Middle East to burn! Storm through Iran on our way out. I mean we hit Tehran like God himself palm slammed the city, Kill all of the... Try then execute them actually, the Ayatola and his cronies, build up for N Korea and tell N Korea the next time they fire one bullet or even DARE shoot their mouth off about a nuclear retaliation we show them what a nuclear war is like and blast on them and strip their army to next to nothing and invade, reunite, and leave the area.

We tell China sorry but we are missing a few payments, here is the bill for all those countries we were loosing men to and you were gobbling up all the mineral rights.

We tell the World Bank to go FUQUE themselves and focus on making this nation solvent again.

We likewise need to remove all the political leverage corporations, unions, and special interest groups and lobbies and get them out of our government.

We dissolve the Federal Reserve, and re-invoke the real Treasury of the United States and make them put standards in place to prevent the weasels of Wall Street from manipulating our economy into ruin and then stripping us of our assets.

We impose a fair flat tax that likewise is felt by Corporations, and religious entities.

We get industry back in this nation by becoming competitive again and if that means automation then so be it.

Immigration enforcement.

We eliminate the price gouging in education ON ALL LEVELS!

We reform Social Security and welfare so that it is safeguarded from misappropriation of funds. Money put in the pool stays in the pool!

Personal responsibility of our leadership and the end of legal protections for corporations especially the ones who act above the law.

A stripping and revamping of the justice system!

Making Mandatory Insurance of any kind NOT FOR PROFIT like health care should likewise be.

LESS privatization!

More funding for infrastructure!

More funding for defensive weapons technology! Anti Missile Systems totally make sense!

Less sensativity to national boarders when it comes to chasing after the Taliban. If Pakistan is our ally they need to show it before we show them how we like two faced liars!

No more TSA!

A secure boarder with Mexico.

Canada has always been a great ally. Mexico has not! Mexico can't get a handle on the gang violence. And those Putos (the gangs) would sell us out to the Islamics faster than you can say Cinco Dinero!

END FAVORED TRADE NATION STATUS WITH CHINA!

End the trade imbalance.

I know I can come up with more but this is a great start!

jrbogie's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:10 PM



..there are forces at work both overtly and covertly that aim to destroy America ..everything from the moral degradation to it's financial ruin...that's all i am at liberty to say right now...glasses


so i take it you're not at liberty to expand on your so called, 'moral degredation' of which you speak??? and our 'financial ruin'??? with by far the largest economy on the planet, where's the ruin??? if ever you're at liberty to speak, of course.

jrbogie's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:11 PM



Wrong direction:

Wars or military actions in other countries. Would solve our budget problems too and save lives.

More self produced industries. Obama is working on this with all the environmental friendly industries. Just saw a sign for training for this on the church lawn up the street the other day.

Spending money reinforcing big oil.

Bush tax cuts that have never stimulated anything except already rich folks pockets.

We really need to stop corporate financing of our public officials also we should stop them from financing themselves.


Bush tax cuts gave me money and I am not a super rich person.
also the cost of wars for the past 10 years is about 1 trillion. Our dept is 14 trillion. So no you are wrong.



You are wrong still.

The Uber rich benefited from the Bush tax breaks far more than any average Joe did.

Your cost of the wars is not accurate either.




what is the cost of these wars then???

jrbogie's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:16 PM

Lobbying?????

Everywhere else, we call it "influence peddling" and it's absolutely illegal.



no, SOME places else THEY may call it 'influence peddling' and in those SOME places it may be illegal but WE as in 'we the people' here call it a right to free speech.


metalwing's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:25 PM


Lobbying?????

Everywhere else, we call it "influence peddling" and it's absolutely illegal.



no, SOME places else THEY may call it 'influence peddling' and in those SOME places it may be illegal but WE as in 'we the people' here call it a right to free speech.




The "speech" part isn't the problem ... it's the money changing hands.

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:28 PM
I found this interesting.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5INFAuM1xI&feature=player_embedded

jrbogie's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:46 PM
money changing hands IS speech.

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:47 PM
Normally it's pronounced "bribery".

no photo
Fri 07/29/11 02:57 PM
Edited by JOHNN111 on Fri 07/29/11 02:57 PM

money changing hands IS speech.



Ahahahaha Right!


There's the problem right there.whoa

Same direction.... different day

no photo
Fri 07/29/11 03:28 PM
I notice the differences between our 2 beautiful countries...

in Canada, "Price fixing" or collusion is illegal
(meaning, calling your competitor and arranging a certain price for a certain item)

Or

Let's say I'm a manufacturer, I cannot dictate what price YOU sell the item for. It's illegal. This allows for free markets. Competition.


In my 25 yrs of business experience, Americans HATE that part of doing business in Canada..... Why is that?



metalwing's photo
Fri 07/29/11 03:54 PM

I notice the differences between our 2 beautiful countries...

in Canada, "Price fixing" or collusion is illegal
(meaning, calling your competitor and arranging a certain price for a certain item)

Or

Let's say I'm a manufacturer, I cannot dictate what price YOU sell the item for. It's illegal. This allows for free markets. Competition.


In my 25 yrs of business experience, Americans HATE that part of doing business in Canada..... Why is that?





Last time I heard "price fixing" was supposed to be illegal in the US also ... if you can prove it.

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