This is something i always ponder. If God existed, would the world be a much different world, when i say this i mean a world govern by a deity. The Biblical worldview shows God interfering in already,to me, in my opinion i think this world would show miracles all the time and praying wouldn't feel like hoping to win the lotto. Any thoughts or opinions?

Obvious miracles would remove the need for faith.

If you are looking for a prayer, pray for faith.

Would we have free will if god kept fixing our mistakes?

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Then why do it back then and not now?



::cough:: great flood ::cough::

People had more faith. God could work more directly in the world without effecting their free will.



That's not a limitation on free will. Everyone acted how they choose to act and God did what had to be done.

I agree with your sentiments completely. Especially concerning Zeus-like Gods from the Mediterranean region of the world, where the God is envisioned to basically be an egotistical male that can be appease via blood sacrifices, etc.

Obviously the Abrahamic religions are a take-off from that same theme. They Christian fragment elevates the concept of the blood sacrifices to a central level of their belief system in the crucifixion and supposed resurrection of Jesus.

Getting back to your concerns, I agree that these types of religions fail miserably in terms of consistency. For example in the Christian religion we have Jesus supposedly appearing to Saul to convert him into Paul. In this way this God clearly intervened in the lives of men, not the least of which would be Paul's personal life.

However, we see absolutely no intervention by Jesus when it came to the the Christian monks who wrote the "Malleus Maleficarum", one of the most hideous books ever written by mankind. A book that was used by Christians to torture and burn innocent women at the stake in Jesus' name for hundreds of years.

The inconsistency of such an intervening God would be totally inexcusable, IMHO.

The same could be said for many other atrocities held out in the name of Christianity. Even Hitler held the Bible up as an excuse to persecute the Jews, and clergy of Christianity when along with it. Why wasn't Jesus appearing before the Pope to have him stand up against Hitler, etc.

So I agree these Mediterranean religions are not consistent with their very own themes. I think Christianity is an extreme example of this, but I could point to similar failures of the God of the Old Testament to be consistent or fair in the actions attributed to him as well.

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Having said all of the above I would like to address your statement:



Well, which God? The Biblical God? Zeus? Etc.

What if "God" isn't anything at all like the Mediterranean pictures of God?

What if "God" is something far removed from a personified human-like being who has all the familiar human frailties such as "jealousy" etc.?

There are other pictures of spirituality where the very concept of "God" is viewed in lowercase letters as "god". In other words, take the personified ego from "god" and realize that to "god" the very concept of an ego, or things like personal jealousy would be non-existent.

Such pictures exist in Eastern Spiritual Philosophies where they view "god" as something far more profound and mystical than could be reduced to a human-like ego.

There also wouldn't be any specific stories of a personified God drowning people in floods and turning people into pillars of salt.

I personally tend to believe that such a truly wonderful mystical view of "god" is possible and that we are ultimately a manifestation of this mysterious spiritual entity.

Precisely how that all might work is a mystery and thus they call it Mysticism.

However, that view of spirituality doesn't contain the paradoxes and contradictions that obviously arise in the Zeus-like Mediterranean pictures of a personified egotistical "God" that is appeased by blood sacrifices.

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So for me, when I think of "god", I think of the Eastern Mystical views and it makes far more sense.

Not saying that it's necessarily a true picture of reality, but at least it's a far more sensible picture, IMHO.

Just my thoughts, for whatever they're worth.

Miracles happen all the time, everyday. Praying isn't "hoping" for something. Praying is communicating with God our father. The world once was governed by God directly. The human race messed that up with disobedience. In punishment God has removed heaven from the Earth. God has allowed "free will" to govern the world with his influence.

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I mean it, really!

So since man chose to be wicked God smote them save Noah and his family? And all those innocent animals...


How about that ice age???


And the big rocks from the sky every now and then???


OH! And one day our sun will die taking us with it!



Was' up with 'dat????

Well, that's a contradiction right there.

Supposedly no man is without sin, yet God saved Noah and his family. Mere mortals who could not possibly be without sin. '

This also flies in the face of the idea that all sin is equal in the eyes of God, and that the only reward for sin is death.

It also flies in the face of the idea that God doesn't play favorites.

Of course, we already saw that ideal being contradicted when God chose the Jews as his favorite people.

I personally don't see how any of these Hebrew fables can be said to be consistent when they are clearly riddled with contradictions at every turn of the page.

Besides, it wouldn't say much for a creator whose entire creation is constantly choosing to be evil. That would only show the the creator himself is an extremely flawed creator. Basically a failure as a creator. He couldn't even create a species of humans where half the people are good.

That's a pretty bad failure rate for a creator I think.

No man is without sin and the only reward for sin is death, and yes all sins are equal. BUT, all but one sin is forgivable. The only sin that could guarantee missing out on Heaven is denying our lord Jesus Christ. AAAALLL other sins are forgivable and if forgiveness is true heartedly sought after, it will be given and it will be as you never did that sin in the first place. No where does it say Noah was PERFECT. Absolutely no one is perfect on their own. We are made perfect through the grace of God. Noah was pleasurable in God's eye, he sought after being righteous. That is why Noah was pleasing to God, he sought after the right thing of being obedient to God our father.

We all have a life time to repent from whatever we have done and be forgiven. Even if one denies the lord Jesus Christ for some portion of their life, they still have the rest of it to repent and be forgiven. That is saying they truly have accepted Jesus and have turned their heart over to Jesus.

That's actually a Christian rumor that doesn't follow from the actual scriptures.

It's blaspheme against the Holy Ghost that is the unforgivable sin. It has nothing at all to do with denying Jesus as lord.

I'm pretty sure that even the Muslims hold this to be true in Islam, and they certainly deny that Jesus is lord.

It's bad enough that these religions are confusing and contradicting, but when people make up their own stuff about these religions that just adds to the chaos.

If a person is going to support a religion the least they could do is take some time to study it first.

isn't that convenient. Didn't Noah get drunk? He couldn't have been that perfect.

Excuse me? I believe you're claiming I'm making something up? Well let's see here.

Matthew 10:33

33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

Now will you please show some evidence of your claim on what you said to be the only unforgivable sin please?

excuse me? I know nothing of Noah getting drunk. He may have at one point or time, but if he had he had also turned from doing as such. Yes they drank wine, but drinking wine is just fine as long as they don't do it to the extent of getting drunk. But please, enlighten us with a verse that states Noah got "Drunk".

Pardon on my mobile phone so it's a little hard to do this. here:

lol wait til I get on my computer links not working.

Somethings wrong with the link, says no such search.

Genesis 9:20-25

New International Version (NIV)


20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded[a] to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked


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