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Topic: Why do people assume there is only one God?
Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/15/11 05:57 PM
So, Peter-pan, It is clear then, that you believe in a God and that a God created everything. Right? Have you given any thought at all to how he did that? Do you have a clue or an idea of any kind that would give you incite into this creator being and what he is like and how he created everything? Picture a rose... What does that mean?

donthatoneguy Joined Wed 03/31/10 Posts: 311	Fri 07/15/11 05:58 PM Edited by donthatoneguy on Fri 07/15/11 06:01 PM
Sorry, double post due to internet problems ... see previous page.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/15/11 06:02 PM Edited by RKISIT on Fri 07/15/11 06:07 PM
So instead of believing in the mythical eternal dude and the big bang why not throw an eternal infinate universe into the mix? But wait how is that possible,well according to the Zeus looking mythical figure you worship,he is eternal so why can't the universe be? Solves the problem of the kaboom and a Zeus wanna be theory. If you want to use "science" or "logic" for your reason of a disbelief in any god, then you have to go by what "science" tells us. Science says the universe is NOT eternal... Why can't what science cannot explain be attributed to something you can't understand? Forget all of the writings of men, can you leave open the possibilty of a god, or is your mind closed to that which you have no physical proof of existence? I do have an open mind but i refuse to believe that everything that i see before me is only 6,000 years old,God is viewed in many ways hell some tribes worship birds as their gods which is fine go for it.My thing is,is that for someone to look me in the eyes and tell me some mythical being created everything,is rather humorous.Also God did speak to people and people in villages before he did his wraith according to a book,but i yet to hear him get on his worldwide intercom system and say anything.I don't necessarily have to see the dude just a simple hello would suffice.It ain't gonna happen though. No, you don't have an open mind. You started spewing crap from books which I do not believe like it somehow strengthens your position. Did you not read what I said? "Forget all of the writings of men, can you leave open the possibilty of a god" Just a possibilty... So let me try your strategy, OK? I refuse to believe in the big bang without any proof of it's intial cause. The best we have now is Hawkings saying that all that would be needed is gravity and the big bang would be possible. So, with no matter present, I refuse to believe in an imaginary gravity field which science says can't exist without matter. There's no way I believe in some non-existant magical gravity field as I believe in logic and reason. I bet you also expect me to believe you can win the lottery every day for the rest of your life, cause that's close to the odds that scientists estimate for the possibilty of life here on Earth. Seriously, that's just plain ridiculous. Peter here i'll explain i'm an atheist,i'm not a secular atheist just a content atheist.What i mean by not a secular is i don't go out trying to change traditions or try to convert people to my nonbeliefs.On here in a public forum i have typed more about what i think of religion then i have talked about religion in my 40 years of existance. Anyways i'm still an atheist,i'm not agnostic,i'm an atheist which means i don't believe in or believe there is a God or Gods.I'll listen to people and hear what they have to say but in return i'm going to say or type rather my opinions and no i don't accept or believe in even a suggestion or possibility of there being a God.Just as you believe there is a God.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 06:07 PM
Who said anything about the universe not being eternal? Just because it may continue to expand and the galaxies and solar systems all go dim and die cold deaths doesn't mean the intermediary space (and therefore the universe as a whole) ceases to exist. Eternity in darkness is still eternity. The Universe had a beginning, therefore it's not eternal. It's not rocket science buddy, please don't post anything if you aren't going to even bother to think about it. How do you know? Are you this eternal imaginary friend you keep talking about? You sit here and tell us that we can't know what caused the big bang and you're claiming to know the conditions prior to it. That's a bit sanctimonious, don't you think? I'm repeating what world acclaimed physicists have said. They don't know what preceeded the big bang. The only hope of knowing was the TOE and Hawking has stated that's impossible. The expansion of the universe (observed) is proof enough of the big bang whether or not we know its cause. So? He's (Steven Hawking) a smart guy, you should listen to him. I am and you called me sactimoneous All matter was present in the singularity. It would have had the strongest gravity field ever since it contained all the matter in the universe. There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic atheism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. Sheer laziness.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Fri 07/15/11 06:09 PM
So instead of believing in the mythical eternal dude and the big bang why not throw an eternal infinate universe into the mix? But wait how is that possible,well according to the Zeus looking mythical figure you worship,he is eternal so why can't the universe be? Solves the problem of the kaboom and a Zeus wanna be theory. If you want to use "science" or "logic" for your reason of a disbelief in any god, then you have to go by what "science" tells us. Science says the universe is NOT eternal... Why can't what science cannot explain be attributed to something you can't understand? Forget all of the writings of men, can you leave open the possibilty of a god, or is your mind closed to that which you have no physical proof of existence? I do have an open mind but i refuse to believe that everything that i see before me is only 6,000 years old,God is viewed in many ways hell some tribes worship birds as their gods which is fine go for it.My thing is,is that for someone to look me in the eyes and tell me some mythical being created everything,is rather humorous.Also God did speak to people and people in villages before he did his wraith according to a book,but i yet to hear him get on his worldwide intercom system and say anything.I don't necessarily have to see the dude just a simple hello would suffice.It ain't gonna happen though. No, you don't have an open mind. You started spewing crap from books which I do not believe like it somehow strengthens your position. Did you not read what I said? "Forget all of the writings of men, can you leave open the possibilty of a god" Just a possibilty... So let me try your strategy, OK? I refuse to believe in the big bang without any proof of it's intial cause. The best we have now is Hawkings saying that all that would be needed is gravity and the big bang would be possible. So, with no matter present, I refuse to believe in an imaginary gravity field which science says can't exist without matter. There's no way I believe in some non-existant magical gravity field as I believe in logic and reason. I bet you also expect me to believe you can win the lottery every day for the rest of your life, cause that's close to the odds that scientists estimate for the possibilty of life here on Earth. Seriously, that's just plain ridiculous. Peter here i'll explain i'm an atheist,i'm not a secular atheist just a content atheist.What i mean by not a secular is i don't go out trying to change traditions or try to convert people to my nonbeliefs.On here in a public forum i have typed more about what i think of religion then i have talked about religion in my 40 years of existance. Anyways i'm still an atheist,i'm not agnostic i don't believe in or believe there is a God or Gods.I'll listen to people and hear what they have to say but in return i'm going to say or type rather my opinions and no i don't accept or believe in even a suggestion of there being a God.Just as you believe there is a God. I'm not trying to convert you... I'm trying to be condecending like your average posts. Keep your imaginary gravity field and I'll keep my mythical being, understand now?

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/15/11 06:10 PM
Who said anything about the universe not being eternal? Just because it may continue to expand and the galaxies and solar systems all go dim and die cold deaths doesn't mean the intermediary space (and therefore the universe as a whole) ceases to exist. Eternity in darkness is still eternity. The Universe had a beginning, therefore it's not eternal. It's not rocket science buddy, please don't post anything if you aren't going to even bother to think about it. How do you know? Are you this eternal imaginary friend you keep talking about? You sit here and tell us that we can't know what caused the big bang and you're claiming to know the conditions prior to it. That's a bit sanctimonious, don't you think? I'm repeating what world acclaimed physicists have said. They don't know what preceeded the big bang. The only hope of knowing was the TOE and Hawking has stated that's impossible. The expansion of the universe (observed) is proof enough of the big bang whether or not we know its cause. So? He's (Steven Hawking) a smart guy, you should listen to him. I am and you called me sactimoneous All matter was present in the singularity. It would have had the strongest gravity field ever since it contained all the matter in the universe. There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic atheism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. Sheer laziness. isn't singularity just a one word meaning for scientist to say "we have no clue"?

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/15/11 06:13 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 07/15/11 06:14 PM
There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic atheism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. Sheer laziness. WOW that's a projection if I ever heard one. How about this rewrite: There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Christians always claim to own GOD, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic relitious fundamentalism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 06:15 PM
There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic atheism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. Sheer laziness. WOW that's a projection if I ever heard one. How about this: There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Christians always claim to own GOD, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic relitious fundamentalism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. You can't just string together some badly spelled straw man statements and pretend it's true. On the other hand, what I posted was true.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/15/11 06:16 PM Edited by RKISIT on Fri 07/15/11 06:20 PM
So instead of believing in the mythical eternal dude and the big bang why not throw an eternal infinate universe into the mix? But wait how is that possible,well according to the Zeus looking mythical figure you worship,he is eternal so why can't the universe be? Solves the problem of the kaboom and a Zeus wanna be theory. If you want to use "science" or "logic" for your reason of a disbelief in any god, then you have to go by what "science" tells us. Science says the universe is NOT eternal... Why can't what science cannot explain be attributed to something you can't understand? Forget all of the writings of men, can you leave open the possibilty of a god, or is your mind closed to that which you have no physical proof of existence? I do have an open mind but i refuse to believe that everything that i see before me is only 6,000 years old,God is viewed in many ways hell some tribes worship birds as their gods which is fine go for it.My thing is,is that for someone to look me in the eyes and tell me some mythical being created everything,is rather humorous.Also God did speak to people and people in villages before he did his wraith according to a book,but i yet to hear him get on his worldwide intercom system and say anything.I don't necessarily have to see the dude just a simple hello would suffice.It ain't gonna happen though. No, you don't have an open mind. You started spewing crap from books which I do not believe like it somehow strengthens your position. Did you not read what I said? "Forget all of the writings of men, can you leave open the possibilty of a god" Just a possibilty... So let me try your strategy, OK? I refuse to believe in the big bang without any proof of it's intial cause. The best we have now is Hawkings saying that all that would be needed is gravity and the big bang would be possible. So, with no matter present, I refuse to believe in an imaginary gravity field which science says can't exist without matter. There's no way I believe in some non-existant magical gravity field as I believe in logic and reason. I bet you also expect me to believe you can win the lottery every day for the rest of your life, cause that's close to the odds that scientists estimate for the possibilty of life here on Earth. Seriously, that's just plain ridiculous. Peter here i'll explain i'm an atheist,i'm not a secular atheist just a content atheist.What i mean by not a secular is i don't go out trying to change traditions or try to convert people to my nonbeliefs.On here in a public forum i have typed more about what i think of religion then i have talked about religion in my 40 years of existance. Anyways i'm still an atheist,i'm not agnostic i don't believe in or believe there is a God or Gods.I'll listen to people and hear what they have to say but in return i'm going to say or type rather my opinions and no i don't accept or believe in even a suggestion of there being a God.Just as you believe there is a God. I'm not trying to convert you... I'm trying to be condecending like your average posts. Keep your imaginary gravity field and I'll keep my mythical being, understand now? man why couldn't you wait to quote me after i finished my editing,dammit

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Fri 07/15/11 06:18 PM
Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? While we are a tiny percentage of the population, our total numbers are large enough that we are composed of many different kinds of people. I would expect the bell curve for atheists is similar to the bell curve for the population at large, for many measurements.

Jeanniebean Joined Wed 01/30/08 Posts: 40028	Fri 07/15/11 06:27 PM Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 07/15/11 06:28 PM
There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic atheism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. Sheer laziness. WOW that's a projection if I ever heard one. How about this: There was NO MATTER IN THE SINGULARITY. GEEZ. Do you guys even bother reading anything? Why is it that Christians always claim to own GOD, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? It's dogmatic relitious fundamentalism, you are convinced you couldn't possibly be wrong, so you don't bother to research to confirm your beliefs. You can't just string together some badly spelled straw man statements and pretend it's true. On the other hand, what I posted was true. No, it is clear to (probably) everyone that what you posted was your opinion.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 06:28 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Fri 07/15/11 06:44 PM
Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? While we are a tiny percentage of the population, our total numbers are large enough that we are composed of many different kinds of people. I would expect the bell curve for atheists is similar to the bell curve for the population at large, for many measurements. My actual objection is to dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. The Big Bang theory is that a singularity that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense began to expand. As the expansion occurred, it cooled to the point that elements started to form, before that moment, there was only energy. There! Now an uneducated, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, sister lovin' backwoods Christian who has never seen any book but the Bible has schooled all of you atheists on what you believe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (anyone who already knew that is exempt from this statement)

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Fri 07/15/11 06:31 PM
Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? While we are a tiny percentage of the population, our total numbers are large enough that we are composed of many different kinds of people. I would expect the bell curve for atheists is similar to the bell curve for the population at large, for many measurements. My actual objection is dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. The Big Bang theory is that a singularity that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense began to expand. As the expansion occurred, it cooled to the point that elements started to form, before that moment, there was only energy. There! Now an uneducated, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, sister lovin' backwoods Christian who has never seen any book but the Bible has school all of you atheists on what you believe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (anyone who already knew that is exempt from this statement) What's "misogynistic" mean?

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 06:32 PM
Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? While we are a tiny percentage of the population, our total numbers are large enough that we are composed of many different kinds of people. I would expect the bell curve for atheists is similar to the bell curve for the population at large, for many measurements. My actual objection is dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. The Big Bang theory is that a singularity that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense began to expand. As the expansion occurred, it cooled to the point that elements started to form, before that moment, there was only energy. There! Now an uneducated, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, sister lovin' backwoods Christian who has never seen any book but the Bible has school all of you atheists on what you believe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (anyone who already knew that is exempt from this statement) What's "misogynistic" mean? I don't know, that's a really big word. I think it means bird watchin'.

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Fri 07/15/11 06:33 PM
Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? While we are a tiny percentage of the population, our total numbers are large enough that we are composed of many different kinds of people. I would expect the bell curve for atheists is similar to the bell curve for the population at large, for many measurements. My actual objection is dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. The Big Bang theory is that a singularity that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense began to expand. As the expansion occurred, it cooled to the point that elements started to form, before that moment, there was only energy. There! Now an uneducated, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, sister lovin' backwoods Christian who has never seen any book but the Bible has school all of you atheists on what you believe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (anyone who already knew that is exempt from this statement) What's "misogynistic" mean? I don't know, that's a really big word. I think it means bird watchin'. Change "bird" to "girl" and I'm all for it...

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 06:35 PM Edited by Spidercmb on Fri 07/15/11 06:36 PM
Why is it that Atheists always claim to own science, but they are mostly freaking morons?!? While we are a tiny percentage of the population, our total numbers are large enough that we are composed of many different kinds of people. I would expect the bell curve for atheists is similar to the bell curve for the population at large, for many measurements. My actual objection is dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. The Big Bang theory is that a singularity that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense began to expand. As the expansion occurred, it cooled to the point that elements started to form, before that moment, there was only energy. There! Now an uneducated, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, sister lovin' backwoods Christian who has never seen any book but the Bible has school all of you atheists on what you believe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (anyone who already knew that is exempt from this statement) What's "misogynistic" mean? I don't know, that's a really big word. I think it means bird watchin'. Change "bird" to "girl" and I'm all for it... Wimmin are only gud for makin' babies, cookin' food, bringin' beers and as a foot rest. At least that's what I finds in the good book. (spits chewing tobacco into a child's eye)

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Fri 07/15/11 06:35 PM
its when men hate women in the bible

donthatoneguy Joined Wed 03/31/10 Posts: 311	Fri 07/15/11 07:04 PM
My actual objection is dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. I'll skip that part since it doesn't apply to me. The Big Bang theory is that a singularity that was infinitely hot and infinitely dense began to expand. As the expansion occurred, it cooled to the point that elements started to form, before that moment, there was only energy. There! Now an uneducated, misogynistic, racist, homophobic, sister lovin' backwoods Christian who has never seen any book but the Bible has school all of you atheists on what you believe. You should be ashamed of yourself. (anyone who already knew that is exempt from this statement) Schooled? No, sorry. You can't just pop on Wikipedia for five seconds and claim to know better than anyone else. From the University of Michigan: "About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the expansion of the universe. This explosion is known as the Big Bang. At the point of this event all of the matter and energy of space was contained at one point. What exisisted prior to this event is completely unknown and is a matter of pure speculation. This occurance was not a conventional explosion but rather an event filling all of space with all of the particles of the embryonic universe rushing away from each other." Hmm, no matter the argument ... a) if matter formed from the energy contained within the singularity, then b) the singularity contained all matter. More importantly, all matter, condensed within any such tiny space would be superheated, yes, and just like with a black hole, the gravity involved would be massive.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 07:06 PM
"About 15 billion years ago a tremendous explosion started the Your source sucks, there wasn't an explosion. "Big Bang" is a misnomer.

Spidercmb Joined Fri 04/27/07 Posts: 13137	Fri 07/15/11 07:08 PM
My actual objection is dogmatic atheism. So many atheist claim to have read the Bible, some more than once. They also claim to have a firm belief in the power of science. Then they show absolutely no grasp of either the Bible or science. I'll skip that part since it doesn't apply to me. If you say so, Mr "All matter was present in the singularity".