Topic: 9/11: as it happened on the ground
InvictusV's photo
Wed 07/13/11 06:05 PM

i think i can rule out the nano- thermite, super nano- thermite, or any other painted on super explosives nano whatever they come up with next...


what about super douper nano thermite? It only takes a teapsoon worth to blow up the world.


Chazster's photo
Wed 07/13/11 06:23 PM


i think i can rule out the nano- thermite, super nano- thermite, or any other painted on super explosives nano whatever they come up with next...


what about super douper nano thermite? It only takes a teapsoon worth to blow up the world.



Thats nothing compared to the 1337 thermite that I developed. 1 drop can unmake the universe.

mightymoe's photo
Wed 07/13/11 06:41 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Wed 07/13/11 06:41 PM
i know someone that knows someone else that has a cousin who is someones sister who has an aunt that is married to a guy that knows another guy that lives with his mother who is friends with a person that knows a scientist...

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 07/14/11 12:28 PM




You see how this works right? He asks a question and we provide answers and science to back it up. He then just ignores it or says the same thing. Things like "Pancake Theory" Not Pancake Fact. Science has lots of theories that much of the science community considers true. Not to mention with his attitude his "conspiracy theory" would fit in the same boat because its not "conspiracy fact".

I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?



See here is where the theorists get around this.

The new theory is that they used some incredible explosive called nano- thermite that you can theoretically paint on with a brush.. This has evolved over time from simple thermite to thermate to super thermite and now nano-thermite.

and of course the only people who have access to said nano-thermite is the US military.

Now if I was planning this type of operation would I really want to use something that was only directly traceable right back to me?

Wouldn't you want to use something widely available so if someone found trace elements they couldn't directly link you to the crime?

I really can't understand these people that actually believe this stuff.

It's bizarre.


In my circle we cant understand how people can believe the official version of 911.

right off the bat you have to wonder how the mighties military money can buy was powerless to stop the plane that hit the pentagon.

Thats enough to raise a few eye brows let alone all the other items on the weird list of how it happened.

thats all for me for now I am buzzed stuffed with shrimp and zuccini on the grill and full of beer. Aahhhh life is good.


yeah its pretty crazy to imagine that they couldn't find a plane that had turned off the transponder within the 40 minutes it had turned around and flew back to the pentagon.. Its not like they had alot of space to fly around in or that there weren't hundreds of other planes flying around.

your theory is very compelling






ever hear of radar? I would imagine the plane would be pretty easy to spot since it would be the one on radar that didnt have its transponder on.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 07/14/11 12:55 PM

Again you post no facts only what you think you know with no science at all behind it. You don't answer questions you only ask them. You act like you are winning an argument but you have yet to answer any question. All you do is change the subject. Are you training to run for a political office?
I am 100% certain that 911 did not go down as explained by the powers that be.


Three buildings could not have fallen straight down at near free fall speed due to fires. (The 911 commision report claims that fire not the planes impact caused the collapse) Any person with cognative ability would know that steel slowly weakens as it rises in temperature and this would definatly cause the hottest section to collapse first or at least twist and bend untill finaly tearing.

You see in the real world we understand that open air fires cannot generate the heat to cause all the steel trusses to fail at once.

All one needs to do is look at the photos of the buildings and take note that there was realy not much of a fire going in fact there were people standing in the windows that were blown out by the planes impact. If these fires were so intense those people would have been fried imediatly.

This is just one example of cognative reasoneing.

The faculty of reason also known as rationality, or the faculty of discursive reason (in opposition to "intuitive reason") is a virtue that governs the exploratory interactions of humans with the universe - such as those employed in our practice of the natural sciences. It is a mental ability found in human beings and normally considered to be a definitive characteristic of human nature.[1] It is closely associated with such human activities as language, science, art, mathematics and philosophy.

Reason, like habit or intuition, is a means by which thinking comes from one idea to a related idea. But more specifically, it is the way rational beings propose and consider explanations concerning cause and effect, true and false, and what is good or bad. In contrast to reason as an abstract noun, a reason is a consideration which explains or justifies some event, phenomenon or behaviour.[2] The ways in which human beings reason through an argument are the subject of inquiries in the field of logic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning

So go back and look at the buildings and take note that the fires realy didnt appear that bad. Bad if you were in the building but certainly not bad enough to bring down three buildings at or near free fall speed.


This is just one reasone many people are skeptical.

But what are the end results of 911?

After the cold war the country was looking forward to defence cuts. What did 911 do? It gave Cheneys and Bushs political friends an opertunity to fleece the puplic treasury yet again.


Instead of cuts we got the biggest military in the world by far.

What good is it if the country is bankrupt?
What good is it if we can no longer call this a free country and keep a straight face?


Oh how I wish I had time to mince words with you folks all day. However I have many important matters to attend to.


metalwing's photo
Thu 07/14/11 12:59 PM
Edited by metalwing on Thu 07/14/11 01:05 PM





You see how this works right? He asks a question and we provide answers and science to back it up. He then just ignores it or says the same thing. Things like "Pancake Theory" Not Pancake Fact. Science has lots of theories that much of the science community considers true. Not to mention with his attitude his "conspiracy theory" would fit in the same boat because its not "conspiracy fact".

I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?



See here is where the theorists get around this.

The new theory is that they used some incredible explosive called nano- thermite that you can theoretically paint on with a brush.. This has evolved over time from simple thermite to thermate to super thermite and now nano-thermite.

and of course the only people who have access to said nano-thermite is the US military.

Now if I was planning this type of operation would I really want to use something that was only directly traceable right back to me?

Wouldn't you want to use something widely available so if someone found trace elements they couldn't directly link you to the crime?

I really can't understand these people that actually believe this stuff.

It's bizarre.


In my circle we cant understand how people can believe the official version of 911.

right off the bat you have to wonder how the mighties military money can buy was powerless to stop the plane that hit the pentagon.

Thats enough to raise a few eye brows let alone all the other items on the weird list of how it happened.

thats all for me for now I am buzzed stuffed with shrimp and zuccini on the grill and full of beer. Aahhhh life is good.


yeah its pretty crazy to imagine that they couldn't find a plane that had turned off the transponder within the 40 minutes it had turned around and flew back to the pentagon.. Its not like they had alot of space to fly around in or that there weren't hundreds of other planes flying around.

your theory is very compelling






ever hear of radar? I would imagine the plane would be pretty easy to spot since it would be the one on radar that didnt have its transponder on.


It's not always easy to spot a plane which is why they have transponders. Some planes don't even have transponders and some don't turn them on unless they are in a radar control zone where they are required (usually within ten miles of the airport). If your altitude is down near the elevation of the tops of tall building you are obscured by "ground clutter". At a mile every ten seconds you cover a lot of territory.

But you have an answer for that I'm sure.


Chazster's photo
Thu 07/14/11 02:13 PM


Again you post no facts only what you think you know with no science at all behind it. You don't answer questions you only ask them. You act like you are winning an argument but you have yet to answer any question. All you do is change the subject. Are you training to run for a political office?
I am 100% certain that 911 did not go down as explained by the powers that be.


Three buildings could not have fallen straight down at near free fall speed due to fires. (The 911 commision report claims that fire not the planes impact caused the collapse) Any person with cognative ability would know that steel slowly weakens as it rises in temperature and this would definatly cause the hottest section to collapse first or at least twist and bend untill finaly tearing.

You see in the real world we understand that open air fires cannot generate the heat to cause all the steel trusses to fail at once.

All one needs to do is look at the photos of the buildings and take note that there was realy not much of a fire going in fact there were people standing in the windows that were blown out by the planes impact. If these fires were so intense those people would have been fried imediatly.

This is just one example of cognative reasoneing.

The faculty of reason also known as rationality, or the faculty of discursive reason (in opposition to "intuitive reason") is a virtue that governs the exploratory interactions of humans with the universe - such as those employed in our practice of the natural sciences. It is a mental ability found in human beings and normally considered to be a definitive characteristic of human nature.[1] It is closely associated with such human activities as language, science, art, mathematics and philosophy.

Reason, like habit or intuition, is a means by which thinking comes from one idea to a related idea. But more specifically, it is the way rational beings propose and consider explanations concerning cause and effect, true and false, and what is good or bad. In contrast to reason as an abstract noun, a reason is a consideration which explains or justifies some event, phenomenon or behaviour.[2] The ways in which human beings reason through an argument are the subject of inquiries in the field of logic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reasoning

So go back and look at the buildings and take note that the fires realy didnt appear that bad. Bad if you were in the building but certainly not bad enough to bring down three buildings at or near free fall speed.


This is just one reasone many people are skeptical.

But what are the end results of 911?

After the cold war the country was looking forward to defence cuts. What did 911 do? It gave Cheneys and Bushs political friends an opertunity to fleece the puplic treasury yet again.


Instead of cuts we got the biggest military in the world by far.

What good is it if the country is bankrupt?
What good is it if we can no longer call this a free country and keep a straight face?


Oh how I wish I had time to mince words with you folks all day. However I have many important matters to attend to.




I asked you many times to explain why the building wouldn't fall straight down as physics says it should fall downward. Like I said you never answer questions.

no photo
Fri 07/15/11 08:53 PM
there were people that said there were major explosions right before the planes even hit.

how can we protect the pentagon the most secure building in the world yet we dont have any camera footage of the (missle) plane hitting it.
yet there just happens to be footage of the first plane hitting the twin towers.

when timithoy mcviegh blew up the oklahoma city fbi building they said there were even more powerful bombs planted inside the building already.if he got in and preplanted even more powerful explosives why did he need the truck bomb.they wanted to make sure it blew up.

this is why you have lost your freedom.

the patriot act was written 2 years before 911

you are the terrorist. the homegrown terrorist

you have lost your rights under the constitution

you will now say your pledge of allegiance to lucifer

and report to your local fema camp.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrvolant7

metalwing's photo
Fri 07/15/11 09:20 PM

there were people that said there were major explosions right before the planes even hit.

how can we protect the pentagon the most secure building in the world yet we dont have any camera footage of the (missle) plane hitting it.
yet there just happens to be footage of the first plane hitting the twin towers.

when timithoy mcviegh blew up the oklahoma city fbi building they said there were even more powerful bombs planted inside the building already.if he got in and preplanted even more powerful explosives why did he need the truck bomb.they wanted to make sure it blew up.

this is why you have lost your freedom.

the patriot act was written 2 years before 911

you are the terrorist. the homegrown terrorist

you have lost your rights under the constitution

you will now say your pledge of allegiance to lucifer

and report to your local fema camp.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrvolant7


Well that explains everything.

no photo
Fri 07/15/11 09:58 PM
Edited by volant7 on Fri 07/15/11 10:00 PM
no just a tiny part

but find all my posts and they will

mightymoe's photo
Fri 07/15/11 09:58 PM

there were people that said there were major explosions right before the planes even hit.


people say a lot of things

how can we protect the pentagon the most secure building in the world yet we dont have any camera footage of the (missle) plane hitting it.
yet there just happens to be footage of the first plane hitting the twin towers.


at any given time there are at least 5 news choppers in the air in NYC...

when timithoy mcviegh blew up the oklahoma city fbi building they said there were even more powerful bombs planted inside the building already.if he got in and preplanted even more powerful explosives why did he need the truck bomb.they wanted to make sure it blew up.


who are "they"?

this is why you have lost your freedom.

the patriot act was written 2 years before 911

you are the terrorist. the homegrown terrorist

you have lost your rights under the constitution

you will now say your pledge of allegiance to lucifer

and report to your local fema camp.

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrvolant7

no photo
Fri 07/15/11 10:10 PM
I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?

no photo
Sat 07/16/11 06:17 AM
Edited by volant7 on Sat 07/16/11 06:43 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&feature=fvwrel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyKR2-A0KPU&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezIU6ZxYU3A&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT9lhSuWFfk


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVB0XLus_zU&feature=related

my pet goat = sacrifice

goat = g od o ver a ll t hings

thier god is lucifer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f1KWfdx5SM&feature=related

Chazster's photo
Sat 07/16/11 08:37 AM

I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.

mightymoe's photo
Sat 07/16/11 01:40 PM


I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.


actually, something i found weird, the FBI went to all the buildings around the pentagon and collected all the CC cameras video's that day, and never returned them...there are a few pictures from someone that was staying at the hotel from his balcony...

metalwing's photo
Sun 07/17/11 06:57 PM



I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.


actually, something i found weird, the FBI went to all the buildings around the pentagon and collected all the CC cameras video's that day, and never returned them...there are a few pictures from someone that was staying at the hotel from his balcony...


The Pentagon collected all visible evidence of the attack on the Pentagon so future terrorists could not learn how to do a better job.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 07/17/11 08:08 PM




I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.


actually, something i found weird, the FBI went to all the buildings around the pentagon and collected all the CC cameras video's that day, and never returned them...there are a few pictures from someone that was staying at the hotel from his balcony...


The Pentagon collected all visible evidence of the attack on the Pentagon so future terrorists could not learn how to do a better job.


thats what they said...what can be learned by watching a jet hit a building?

Chazster's photo
Sun 07/17/11 08:30 PM



I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.


actually, something i found weird, the FBI went to all the buildings around the pentagon and collected all the CC cameras video's that day, and never returned them...there are a few pictures from someone that was staying at the hotel from his balcony...

How do you know what they took and what was or wasn't returned? If they didn't want us to know we wouldn't know. When police take stuff as evidence they keep it too.

mightymoe's photo
Sun 07/17/11 08:32 PM




I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.


actually, something i found weird, the FBI went to all the buildings around the pentagon and collected all the CC cameras video's that day, and never returned them...there are a few pictures from someone that was staying at the hotel from his balcony...

How do you know what they took and what was or wasn't returned? If they didn't want us to know we wouldn't know. When police take stuff as evidence they keep it too.


just typing what i've read... i really don't know how true or untrue that is...

Chazster's photo
Sun 07/17/11 09:02 PM





I ask only 1 question that I thought was very fundamental. If you think it was a demolition then how could they wire all those huge buildings with explosives and no one notice? He only says he doesn't have all the answers. I find this the most fundamental question for the conspiracy theory to even be possible yet there is no answer to it. Is there anyone that does demolitions that could even say how long it would take to wire even 1 building and how much explosives and wiring would be necessary?

where is the wtc? it was being put on barges and sent to china within 24 hours after. like cash for clunkers.

shouldnt this have been a crime scene? and saved in warehouses somewhere like flight 800.

there is a guy who took pictures after and questioned the collapse he is running for his life now.

the people who heard explosions in the building are all dead.

of natural causes of course

they are the illuminati

the first plane hit was filmed from ground level

but more important where are all the tapes from the pentagon?


Again no answers only questions. The so called explosions could have been internal collapses. Such as parts of floors collapsing to the floor below and office furniture falling etc. Depending how much stuff fell and how far internally it could make loud noises. Anything combustible in the building etc. I don't know everything thats in the building.

People were in NY city and could film that. I am pretty sure they don't let people hang out around the pentagon.


actually, something i found weird, the FBI went to all the buildings around the pentagon and collected all the CC cameras video's that day, and never returned them...there are a few pictures from someone that was staying at the hotel from his balcony...

How do you know what they took and what was or wasn't returned? If they didn't want us to know we wouldn't know. When police take stuff as evidence they keep it too.


just typing what i've read... i really don't know how true or untrue that is...


Thats cool. Oh see how that works. You can question something and then get a response and acknowledge it and not yell conspiracy. Let that be a lesson to some people. rofl