Topic: Israel offered to sell nuclear weapons
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Wed 06/15/11 04:10 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Wed 06/15/11 04:11 PM
Secret South African documents reveal that Israel offered to sell nuclear warheads to the apartheid regime, providing the first official documentary evidence of the state's possession of nuclear weapons.

The "top secret" minutes of meetings between senior officials from the two countries in 1975 show that South Africa's defence minister, PW Botha, asked for the warheads and Shimon Peres, then Israel's defence minister and now its president, responded by offering them "in three sizes". The two men also signed a broad-ranging agreement governing military ties between the two countries that included a clause declaring that "the very existence of this agreement" was to remain secret.

The documents, uncovered by an American academic, Sasha Polakow-Suransky, in research for a book on the close relationship between the two countries, provide evidence that Israel has nuclear weapons despite its policy of "ambiguity" in neither confirming nor denying their existence.

The Israeli authorities tried to stop South Africa's post-apartheid government declassifying the documents at Polakow-Suransky's request and the revelations will be an embarrassment, particularly as this week's nuclear non-proliferation talks in New York focus on the Middle East.

They will also undermine Israel's attempts to suggest that, if it has nuclear weapons, it is a "responsible" power that would not misuse them, whereas countries such as Iran cannot be trusted.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

Hey rubes didnt we fight a war over wmds?

I am not saying we should attack them, how about we just cut off all our aid?

after all this country is flat broke.

s1owhand's photo
Wed 06/15/11 04:15 PM
It's all BS.

From the article cited:

"A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries."


Bestinshow's photo
Wed 06/15/11 04:18 PM

It's all BS.

From the article cited:

"A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries."


I have no respect for liers.

It also says


"Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies"

Dont ya think the guys is a huge lier when all the evidence says its so?


s1owhand's photo
Wed 06/15/11 04:25 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Wed 06/15/11 04:26 PM


It's all BS.

From the article cited:

"A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries."


I have no respect for liers.

It also says


"Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies"

Dont ya think the guys is a huge lier when all the evidence says its so?




This is no evidence. Just more speculation. The Israelis were never
selling nukes to anyone when they did not even acknowledge having
them. So the Shah was worried about the possibility of Israel
developing a nuclear capability. So what big deal. Doesn't prove
anything.

I would believe that South Africa asked Israel and any number of
other countries including the US and Russia for military assistance
but they obviously did not get nuclear arms.

laugh

This vague memo is a big non-story and proves absolutely nothing...
just more fodder for Israel bashers.

Bestinshow's photo
Wed 06/15/11 04:28 PM



It's all BS.

From the article cited:

"A spokeswoman for Peres today said the report was baseless and there were "never any negotiations" between the two countries."


I have no respect for liers.

It also says


"Documents seized by Iranian students from the US embassy in Tehran after the 1979 revolution revealed the Shah expressed an interest to Israel in developing nuclear arms. But the South African documents offer confirmation Israel was in a position to arm Jericho missiles with nuclear warheads.

Israel pressured the present South African government not to declassify documents obtained by Polakow-Suransky. "The Israeli defence ministry tried to block my access to the Secment agreement on the grounds it was sensitive material, especially the signature and the date," he said. "The South Africans didn't seem to care; they blacked out a few lines and handed it over to me. The ANC government is not so worried about protecting the dirty laundry of the apartheid regime's old allies"

Dont ya think the guys is a huge lier when all the evidence says its so?




This is no evidence. Just more speculation. The Israelis were never
selling nukes to anyone when they did not even acknowledge having
them. So the Shah was worried about the possibility of Israel
developing a nuclear capability. So what big deal. Doesn't prove
anything.

I would believe that South Africa asked Israel and any number of
other countries including the US and Russia for military assistance
but they obviously did not get nuclear arms.

laugh

This vague memo is a big non-story and proves absolutely nothing...
just more fodder for Israel bashers.
read the article, follow the links admit your wrong. simple.

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Wed 06/15/11 06:25 PM
How much do you want to bet it was American made nukes being Brokered to the South Africans.

As I remember we supply Israel fissiles and they also have their own program.

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 06/16/11 12:55 PM

How much do you want to bet it was American made nukes being Brokered to the South Africans.

As I remember we supply Israel fissiles and they also have their own program.
I would suspect it was stolen by israeli spies.

Jonathan Jay Pollard (born August 7, 1954 in Galveston, Texas) is a former civilian intelligence analyst who was convicted of spying for Israel. He received a life sentence in 1987.

Israel granted Pollard citizenship in 1995, while publicly denying, until 1998, that he was an Israeli spy.[1] Israeli activist groups, as well as high-profile Israeli politicians, have lobbied for his release.[2] Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has voiced particularly strong support for Pollard, visiting the convicted spy in prison in 2002.[3][4]

Pollard's case was later linked to that of Ben-Ami Kadish, another U.S. national who pleaded guilty to charges of passing classified information to Israel in the same period.[5][6]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard#Early_career

Bestinshow's photo
Thu 06/16/11 01:10 PM
HMMMMMMMMMmwaving

Much attention has been placed on Iran and their supposed nuclear weapons program by the United States and Israel.

What isn’t talked about on a regular basis in the corporate controlled media is the fact that Israel has an illegal, undeclared nuclear arsenal.

While many are already aware of the facts regarding the Israeli Nuclear Program, there is an absurd amount of people who still pretend Israel is a sitting duck surrounded by powerful enemies.

The reality is that our government knew, as far back as 1974, that Israel most likely possessed nuclear weapons.

In 2008 the National Security Archive released a once classified CIA document that indicated that Israel already had a stockpile of nuclear weapons in 1974.

“The Central Intelligence Agency, backed by bodies including the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research and the Defense Intelligence Agency, determined in August 1974 that Israel had nuclear “weapons in being,” a “small number” of which it “produced and stockpiled,” reported Haaretz in 2008.

The document lays out the fact that the United States gave nuclear information to France who in turn gave it to Israel. Not only that, there is also strong evidence that Israel stole nuclear secrets directly from the United States.

http://theintelhub.com/2011/06/15/undeclared-israeli-nuclear-weapons-cia-knew-in-1974-that-israel-had-nuclear-weapons/