Topic: Germans Are just Plain Smarter Than Americans
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Tue 05/31/11 04:48 PM
Edited by artlo on Tue 05/31/11 04:51 PM
This is from one of those silly-a$$ liberal blogs that we heard about earlier from Invictus.

The German government has agreed on a roadmap for phasing out nuclear power. All of the country's 17 nuclear plants are to go offline by 2021, with a possible one-year extension for three reactors should there be the risk of an electricity shortfall.


It has been facetiously dubbed "the phaseout of the phaseout of the phaseout." But after weeks of heated discussion, the German government has made it clear that it is serious with its U-turn on nuclear energy.

Following talks that went into the early hours of Monday morning, Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced the details of the government's new approach to phasing out nuclear power. The new plan foresees all of Germany's nuclear plants going offline by 2021 -- with one possible exception: If the transition to renewable energy does not go as quickly as planned, three of the plants will be allowed to continue operating until 2022, as a kind of safety buffer against electricity shortfalls.
During the marathon meeting, the governing coalition parties -- Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union, its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union and the business-friendly Free Democrats -- thrashed out the details of the planned nuclear shutdown.

The proposals effectively reverse the government's own decision, taken last year, to extend the operating lives of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants -- which was itself a reversal of the decision made by former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's Social Democratic-Green administration to phase out nuclear power by around 2020.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,765594,00.html

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Tue 05/31/11 05:03 PM

This is from one of those silly-a$$ liberal blogs that we heard about earlier from Invictus.

The German government has agreed on a roadmap for phasing out nuclear power. All of the country's 17 nuclear plants are to go offline by 2021, with a possible one-year extension for three reactors should there be the risk of an electricity shortfall.


It has been facetiously dubbed "the phaseout of the phaseout of the phaseout." But after weeks of heated discussion, the German government has made it clear that it is serious with its U-turn on nuclear energy.

Following talks that went into the early hours of Monday morning, Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced the details of the government's new approach to phasing out nuclear power. The new plan foresees all of Germany's nuclear plants going offline by 2021 -- with one possible exception: If the transition to renewable energy does not go as quickly as planned, three of the plants will be allowed to continue operating until 2022, as a kind of safety buffer against electricity shortfalls.
During the marathon meeting, the governing coalition parties -- Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union, its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union and the business-friendly Free Democrats -- thrashed out the details of the planned nuclear shutdown.

The proposals effectively reverse the government's own decision, taken last year, to extend the operating lives of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants -- which was itself a reversal of the decision made by former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's Social Democratic-Green administration to phase out nuclear power by around 2020.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,765594,00.html

so, who cares? germans want to be stupid, they have every right to be...i guess it's better for them to pollute the air with more coal plants, or buy it from someones elses nuke power plant... did the article say how old these plants are? maybe they are to old and need to be taken offline...just more eco-liberal hogwash...

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Tue 05/31/11 05:46 PM


This is from one of those silly-a$$ liberal blogs that we heard about earlier from Invictus.

The German government has agreed on a roadmap for phasing out nuclear power. All of the country's 17 nuclear plants are to go offline by 2021, with a possible one-year extension for three reactors should there be the risk of an electricity shortfall.


It has been facetiously dubbed "the phaseout of the phaseout of the phaseout." But after weeks of heated discussion, the German government has made it clear that it is serious with its U-turn on nuclear energy.

Following talks that went into the early hours of Monday morning, Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced the details of the government's new approach to phasing out nuclear power. The new plan foresees all of Germany's nuclear plants going offline by 2021 -- with one possible exception: If the transition to renewable energy does not go as quickly as planned, three of the plants will be allowed to continue operating until 2022, as a kind of safety buffer against electricity shortfalls.
During the marathon meeting, the governing coalition parties -- Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union, its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union and the business-friendly Free Democrats -- thrashed out the details of the planned nuclear shutdown.

The proposals effectively reverse the government's own decision, taken last year, to extend the operating lives of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants -- which was itself a reversal of the decision made by former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's Social Democratic-Green administration to phase out nuclear power by around 2020.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,765594,00.html

so, who cares? germans want to be stupid, they have every right to be...i guess it's better for them to pollute the air with more coal plants, or buy it from someones elses nuke power plant... did the article say how old these plants are? maybe they are to old and need to be taken offline...just more eco-liberal hogwash...


Actually Germany has spent a fortune on Methane Digestion and have perfected the technology to a damn near 0% pollutant emission standard. They use it for Electrical Generation. It is fueled by Hyperion Waste (POOP!) and organic trash recycling. Germany has a problem with the issue of Nuclear contamination from an accident and Japan's accident pushed them over the edge. They had been mulling this move over since Chernobyl happened. Likewise they also have been testing Bio Diesel and a non polluting variant of it but it involves a little refining. Germany is ahead of the curve. Likewise they also are still experimenting with taming the atom but they are not falling into the pitfall of buying into a technology we BARELY can control if you can call what we do with it control!

Now the Eco Liberals have no real clue what Germany does or their environmental Standards. They actually are extremely strict. More so than our own! The day a fish was caught in the Rhein River was a reason to celebrate. Since WWII the industrial waste killed the river. It took Decades of hard work just to clean up that one river which is a MAJOR transport thoroughfare of Germany.

I also remember a couple of years back Germany also is planning on doing away with coal fired power plants BUT they do have a process to convert Coal to Diesel. They also have pioneered the Green Diesel which is VERY low emission. They have been calculating this move for years.

I really feel we need to research cleanup more than using the atom for the moment since we choose to derive power from it. The pollution of Nuke cannot be dealt with other than encasement. We need to learn to deiradiate isotopic materials. We can enrich it but we cannot reverse the process. THAT is a huge issue. How do you bury something to stay entombed for HUNDREDS of millions of years. Bear in mind the HALF LIFE of U238 is 25 MILLION years where it is only HALF as radioactive as when it was first enriched. It is something like 400 million years before U238 decays into Lead.

Don't get me wrong, I am not totally against nuclear power but we don't use it safely! That is my problem.

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Wed 06/01/11 06:24 AM

This is from one of those silly-a$$ liberal blogs that we heard about earlier from Invictus.

The German government has agreed on a roadmap for phasing out nuclear power. All of the country's 17 nuclear plants are to go offline by 2021, with a possible one-year extension for three reactors should there be the risk of an electricity shortfall.


It has been facetiously dubbed "the phaseout of the phaseout of the phaseout." But after weeks of heated discussion, the German government has made it clear that it is serious with its U-turn on nuclear energy.

Following talks that went into the early hours of Monday morning, Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced the details of the government's new approach to phasing out nuclear power. The new plan foresees all of Germany's nuclear plants going offline by 2021 -- with one possible exception: If the transition to renewable energy does not go as quickly as planned, three of the plants will be allowed to continue operating until 2022, as a kind of safety buffer against electricity shortfalls.
During the marathon meeting, the governing coalition parties -- Chancellor Angela Merkel's center-right Christian Democratic Union, its Bavarian sister party the Christian Social Union and the business-friendly Free Democrats -- thrashed out the details of the planned nuclear shutdown.

The proposals effectively reverse the government's own decision, taken last year, to extend the operating lives of Germany's 17 nuclear power plants -- which was itself a reversal of the decision made by former Chancellor Gerhard Schröder's Social Democratic-Green administration to phase out nuclear power by around 2020.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,765594,00.html


I have come to expect nothing less and you never disappoint.

Predictability is the hallmark of left wing excogitation.