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Topic: Update on Global Warming 2011
AndyBgood's photo
Mon 05/30/11 09:29 AM


OK someone brought up crazy weather in April.

Back in 1978 here in good ol California it was 110 degrees in DECEMBER for two weeks! I know because usually I had to ride my bike wearing a jacket and a rain coat to get to school. The two weeks before the two week break from school I rod to school in a t shirt. Blistering hot weather in April? THAT'S NOTHING! TRY AN INDIAN SUMMER IN DECEMBER!

Still not buying the Global Warming BS!

The sky is NOT falling!


Dude if you actually even read the first 3 lines of his post he isn't talking about Al Gore global warming. Usually I agree with you but you are too blind to even see what he is talking about. He is referring to YES climate change is a cycle of the planet. YES it will happened before and will happen again (not that it is man made) and it could effect us since we live on this planet.

Maybe its time for anger management.


I can read and no, that is not my argument, I am tired of people trying to rationalize cow farts and industry as the cause of Global Warming. There are far too many variables in the equation to say it is just us. And also NO I Am NOT Blind. The real problems lie in unchecked consumption, unchecked pollution, the use of energy resources that are not clean or can be cleaned up after like Nuclear Power, unchecked population growth, Asian Economics, and RAW HUMAN GREED AND SELF FULFILLMENT.


I don't need glasses to see what the REAL problem is!

metalwing's photo
Mon 06/06/11 02:24 PM
Edited by metalwing on Mon 06/06/11 02:38 PM


Published on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 by The Washington Post
A Link Between Climate Change and Joplin Tornadoes? Never!
by Bill McKibben

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/24-5



Caution: It is vitally important not to make connections. When you see pictures of rubble like this week’s shots from Joplin, Mo., you should not wonder: Is this somehow related to the tornado outbreak three weeks ago in Tuscaloosa, Ala., or the enormous outbreak a couple of weeks before that (which, together, comprised the most active April for tornadoes in U.S. history). No, that doesn’t mean a thing.

It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected.

If you did wonder, you see, you would also have to wonder about whether this year’s record snowfalls and rainfalls across the Midwest — resulting in record flooding along the Mississippi — could somehow be related. And then you might find your thoughts wandering to, oh, global warming, and to the fact that climatologists have been predicting for years that as we flood the atmosphere with carbon we will also start both drying and flooding the planet, since warm air holds more water vapor than cold air.

It’s far smarter to repeat to yourself the comforting mantra that no single weather event can ever be directly tied to climate change. There have been tornadoes before, and floods — that’s the important thing. Just be careful to make sure you don’t let yourself wonder why all these record-breaking events are happening in such proximity — that is, why there have been unprecedented megafloods in Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan in the past year. Why it’s just now that the Arctic has melted for the first time in thousands of years. No, better to focus on the immediate casualties, watch the videotape from the store cameras as the shelves are blown over. Look at the news anchorman standing in his waders in the rising river as the water approaches his chest.

Because if you asked yourself what it meant that the Amazon has just come through its second hundred-year drought in the past five years, or that the pine forests across the western part of this continent have been obliterated by a beetle in the past decade — well, you might have to ask other questions. Such as: Should President Obama really just have opened a huge swath of Wyoming to new coal mining? Should Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sign a permit this summer allowing a huge new pipeline to carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta? You might also have to ask yourself: Do we have a bigger problem than $4-a-gallon gasoline?

Better to join with the U.S. House of Representatives, which voted 240 to 184 this spring to defeat a resolution saying simply that “climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for public health and welfare.” Propose your own physics; ignore physics altogether. Just don’t start asking yourself whether there might be some relation among last year’s failed grain harvest from the Russian heat wave, and Queensland’s failed grain harvest from its record flood, and France’s and Germany’s current drought-related crop failures, and the death of the winter wheat crop in Texas, and the inability of Midwestern farmers to get corn planted in their sodden fields. Surely the record food prices are just freak outliers, not signs of anything systemic.

It’s very important to stay calm. If you got upset about any of this, you might forget how important it is not to disrupt the record profits of our fossil fuel companies. If worst ever did come to worst, it’s reassuring to remember what the U.S. Chamber of Commerce told the Environmental Protection Agency in a recent filing: that there’s no need to worry because “populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological, and technological adaptations.” I’m pretty sure that’s what residents are telling themselves in Joplin today.

© 2011 The Washington Post





An intelligent post!

At any given time the weather can statistically be hot or cold, dry or wet. This is the same as a droplet of water jumping out of a pan while boiling even though the pan has adequate size.

When worldwide temperatures are measured to be at all time highs, the weather doesn't apply, it is the climate. When droughts and floods occur together all over the world, again, it is the climate, not the weather. When extreme weather occurs all over the world, it is the excess energy being released which was stored in the oceans as heat which is a side effect of climate change.

When excess heat occurs at temperate latitudes the hot air rises creating a vacuum as a low pressure area. Colder, high pressure air rushes in from the arctic to fill the void creating cold temperatures and heavier snowfalls. These too are the effects of global warming.

galendgirl's photo
Mon 06/06/11 05:35 PM
It's hot.

metalwing's photo
Mon 06/06/11 09:00 PM
It was 105F here today. The old record was ninety eight. Records are being set daily.

Redykeulous's photo
Tue 06/07/11 09:05 AM



Published on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 by The Washington Post
A Link Between Climate Change and Joplin Tornadoes? Never!
by Bill McKibben

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/24-5



Caution: It is vitally important not to make connections. When you see pictures of rubble like this week’s shots from Joplin, Mo., you should not wonder: Is this somehow related to the tornado outbreak three weeks ago in Tuscaloosa, Ala., or the enormous outbreak a couple of weeks before that (which, together, comprised the most active April for tornadoes in U.S. history). No, that doesn’t mean a thing.

It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected.

If you did wonder, you see, you would also have to wonder about whether this year’s record snowfalls and rainfalls across the Midwest — resulting in record flooding along the Mississippi — could somehow be related. And then you might find your thoughts wandering to, oh, global warming, and to the fact that climatologists have been predicting for years that as we flood the atmosphere with carbon we will also start both drying and flooding the planet, since warm air holds more water vapor than cold air.

It’s far smarter to repeat to yourself the comforting mantra that no single weather event can ever be directly tied to climate change. There have been tornadoes before, and floods — that’s the important thing. Just be careful to make sure you don’t let yourself wonder why all these record-breaking events are happening in such proximity — that is, why there have been unprecedented megafloods in Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan in the past year. Why it’s just now that the Arctic has melted for the first time in thousands of years. No, better to focus on the immediate casualties, watch the videotape from the store cameras as the shelves are blown over. Look at the news anchorman standing in his waders in the rising river as the water approaches his chest.

Because if you asked yourself what it meant that the Amazon has just come through its second hundred-year drought in the past five years, or that the pine forests across the western part of this continent have been obliterated by a beetle in the past decade — well, you might have to ask other questions. Such as: Should President Obama really just have opened a huge swath of Wyoming to new coal mining? Should Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sign a permit this summer allowing a huge new pipeline to carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta? You might also have to ask yourself: Do we have a bigger problem than $4-a-gallon gasoline?

Better to join with the U.S. House of Representatives, which voted 240 to 184 this spring to defeat a resolution saying simply that “climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for public health and welfare.” Propose your own physics; ignore physics altogether. Just don’t start asking yourself whether there might be some relation among last year’s failed grain harvest from the Russian heat wave, and Queensland’s failed grain harvest from its record flood, and France’s and Germany’s current drought-related crop failures, and the death of the winter wheat crop in Texas, and the inability of Midwestern farmers to get corn planted in their sodden fields. Surely the record food prices are just freak outliers, not signs of anything systemic.

It’s very important to stay calm. If you got upset about any of this, you might forget how important it is not to disrupt the record profits of our fossil fuel companies. If worst ever did come to worst, it’s reassuring to remember what the U.S. Chamber of Commerce told the Environmental Protection Agency in a recent filing: that there’s no need to worry because “populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological, and technological adaptations.” I’m pretty sure that’s what residents are telling themselves in Joplin today.

© 2011 The Washington Post





An intelligent post!

At any given time the weather can statistically be hot or cold, dry or wet. This is the same as a droplet of water jumping out of a pan while boiling even though the pan has adequate size.

When worldwide temperatures are measured to be at all time highs, the weather doesn't apply, it is the climate. When droughts and floods occur together all over the world, again, it is the climate, not the weather. When extreme weather occurs all over the world, it is the excess energy being released which was stored in the oceans as heat which is a side effect of climate change.

When excess heat occurs at temperate latitudes the hot air rises creating a vacuum as a low pressure area. Colder, high pressure air rushes in from the arctic to fill the void creating cold temperatures and heavier snowfalls. These too are the effects of global warming.

AND

It was 105F here today. The old record was ninety eight. Records are being set daily.



Thank you for your help, although it was much more to the point and far less work to read (which has been related in these forums in teh past) -- I'm afraid there will still be a great need for the sarcasm in the post you responded to. :wink:

metalwing's photo
Tue 06/07/11 09:24 AM




Published on Tuesday, May 24, 2011 by The Washington Post
A Link Between Climate Change and Joplin Tornadoes? Never!
by Bill McKibben

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/05/24-5



Caution: It is vitally important not to make connections. When you see pictures of rubble like this week’s shots from Joplin, Mo., you should not wonder: Is this somehow related to the tornado outbreak three weeks ago in Tuscaloosa, Ala., or the enormous outbreak a couple of weeks before that (which, together, comprised the most active April for tornadoes in U.S. history). No, that doesn’t mean a thing.

It is far better to think of these as isolated, unpredictable, discrete events. It is not advisable to try to connect them in your mind with, say, the fires burning across Texas — fires that have burned more of America at this point this year than any wildfires have in previous years. Texas, and adjoining parts of Oklahoma and New Mexico, are drier than they’ve ever been — the drought is worse than that of the Dust Bowl. But do not wonder if they’re somehow connected.

If you did wonder, you see, you would also have to wonder about whether this year’s record snowfalls and rainfalls across the Midwest — resulting in record flooding along the Mississippi — could somehow be related. And then you might find your thoughts wandering to, oh, global warming, and to the fact that climatologists have been predicting for years that as we flood the atmosphere with carbon we will also start both drying and flooding the planet, since warm air holds more water vapor than cold air.

It’s far smarter to repeat to yourself the comforting mantra that no single weather event can ever be directly tied to climate change. There have been tornadoes before, and floods — that’s the important thing. Just be careful to make sure you don’t let yourself wonder why all these record-breaking events are happening in such proximity — that is, why there have been unprecedented megafloods in Australia, New Zealand and Pakistan in the past year. Why it’s just now that the Arctic has melted for the first time in thousands of years. No, better to focus on the immediate casualties, watch the videotape from the store cameras as the shelves are blown over. Look at the news anchorman standing in his waders in the rising river as the water approaches his chest.

Because if you asked yourself what it meant that the Amazon has just come through its second hundred-year drought in the past five years, or that the pine forests across the western part of this continent have been obliterated by a beetle in the past decade — well, you might have to ask other questions. Such as: Should President Obama really just have opened a huge swath of Wyoming to new coal mining? Should Secretary of State Hillary Clinton sign a permit this summer allowing a huge new pipeline to carry oil from the tar sands of Alberta? You might also have to ask yourself: Do we have a bigger problem than $4-a-gallon gasoline?

Better to join with the U.S. House of Representatives, which voted 240 to 184 this spring to defeat a resolution saying simply that “climate change is occurring, is caused largely by human activities, and poses significant risks for public health and welfare.” Propose your own physics; ignore physics altogether. Just don’t start asking yourself whether there might be some relation among last year’s failed grain harvest from the Russian heat wave, and Queensland’s failed grain harvest from its record flood, and France’s and Germany’s current drought-related crop failures, and the death of the winter wheat crop in Texas, and the inability of Midwestern farmers to get corn planted in their sodden fields. Surely the record food prices are just freak outliers, not signs of anything systemic.

It’s very important to stay calm. If you got upset about any of this, you might forget how important it is not to disrupt the record profits of our fossil fuel companies. If worst ever did come to worst, it’s reassuring to remember what the U.S. Chamber of Commerce told the Environmental Protection Agency in a recent filing: that there’s no need to worry because “populations can acclimatize to warmer climates via a range of behavioral, physiological, and technological adaptations.” I’m pretty sure that’s what residents are telling themselves in Joplin today.

© 2011 The Washington Post





An intelligent post!

At any given time the weather can statistically be hot or cold, dry or wet. This is the same as a droplet of water jumping out of a pan while boiling even though the pan has adequate size.

When worldwide temperatures are measured to be at all time highs, the weather doesn't apply, it is the climate. When droughts and floods occur together all over the world, again, it is the climate, not the weather. When extreme weather occurs all over the world, it is the excess energy being released which was stored in the oceans as heat which is a side effect of climate change.

When excess heat occurs at temperate latitudes the hot air rises creating a vacuum as a low pressure area. Colder, high pressure air rushes in from the arctic to fill the void creating cold temperatures and heavier snowfalls. These too are the effects of global warming.

AND

It was 105F here today. The old record was ninety eight. Records are being set daily.



Thank you for your help, although it was much more to the point and far less work to read (which has been related in these forums in teh past) -- I'm afraid there will still be a great need for the sarcasm in the post you responded to. :wink:


Indeed!

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