Rome was an Empire.

Ruled by Ceasar.

Render into Ceasar, that which is Ceasar's.

We are a REPUBLIC.

With a Constitution Under God.

and a resolute people.

when we 'undivided' set our minds to something.

God recriprocates.

One Nation Under GOD.

Shouldnt this be in the religouse section? I thought we deal in reality in the political threads?

Reality...

Founding documents state that we are a Nation under God.

Do they not?

Though the babal of man places upon him many names...

there IS only one God.

News Flash this is the political thread not religion.

News flash.

the founding documents have never been rescinded...

What I said had nothing to do with Religion.

My faith comes before my politics.

Else my politics mean nothing.

YES AND THOSE OF YOU PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT DONT LIKE THOSE GREEN PIECE OF PAPER OR ROUND METAL DISC THAT SAY IN GOD WE TRUST ON THEM ..... SEND THEM TO TO ME.........IM NOT OFFEENED BY THEM............

reality in the political threads???? hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaa. god one man.

I do not know how or when the religouse right hijacked the founding fathers.

Pure propaganda for the sheeple.

Anyone who can think for themselves undersands the founding fathers were not christians.

Thomas Jefferson I qoute

In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot ... they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose."
- to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814


"Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."
- "Notes on Virginia"

History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose."
- to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

private letters Jefferson refers to himself as "Christian" (1803

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_religion#cite_note-1820Short-5

Just because he spoke badly about the church and clergy doesn't mean he wasn't Christian. He just didn't have an orthodox religion.

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."
-letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the Common Law."
-letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

I am not arguing whether he wanted religion in government. I am arguing he was a Christian. He called himself a Christian. Just say you were wrong and move on.

Invade China.

Set up our own Government.

Forgive us our own debts.

Then we can increase spending across the board.

Probably the only war we can fight where we would make money in the process...

He may have told someone he is christian maybe for a motive but the vast volume of his writeings on the subject pretty much prove he was anti christian. realy he pretty much called them rubes and fools.

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State."
-letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT
"The Complete Jefferson" by Saul K. Padover, pp 518-519

He was anything BUT anti-christian.

You have to remember they revolted against a government that dictated religion. They bent over backward to avoid anything that would resemble religious favoritism.

As far as the faith of the founding fathers:

http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

Thomas Jefferson:
“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [Source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

"I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."
Letter of Thomas Jefferson to William Short, August 4, 1820

You really should look at the source document and not someone else thoughts on it.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/jefferson_jesus.html

That quote you have is pure fabrication. There is nothing close to it in his letter.

This is the first two sentences in his letter:

"Dear Sir, — I owe you a letter for your favor of June the 29th, which was received in due time; and there being no subject of the day, of particular interest, I will make this a supplement to mine of April the 13th. My aim in that was, to justify the character of Jesus against the fictions of his pseudo-followers, which have exposed him to the inference of being an impostor."

I would hope you would see that this quote is just fiction and take it upon yourself to verify other quotes you are using to show Thomas Jefferson hated Christians and Christ.

Anyone can write anything they want on the web. Just because you find something doesn't mean it is correct. Especially when one "quote" is shown to be wrong on the website. I know all the other quotes you posted here are from the same source.

There are plenty of people running around trying to discredit our founding fathers. Why? I have no idea.