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Topic: Ideas...
eileena9's photo
Sun 04/10/11 05:29 PM


The Ultimate Question is unknown......so it just might be the question AB posted.:wink: laugh


Deep Thought 2 will tell us. I can't remember exactly how long we have to wait, I think 40 million years? Ever see the Movie?


One of my favorite movies....I have the book on my eReader, it's next on my list to read....

paul1217's photo
Sun 04/10/11 05:36 PM



The Ultimate Question is unknown......so it just might be the question AB posted.:wink: laugh


Deep Thought 2 will tell us. I can't remember exactly how long we have to wait, I think 40 million years? Ever see the Movie?


One of my favorite movies....I have the book on my eReader, it's next on my list to read....


It was a "trilogy" and there are actually 4 books. The movie bombed at the box office, but I think it actually did the books justice, which was surprising! If you have seen the movie, the book (#1 in the series) may leave you hanging. The movie is really based on the first 3 books, of the 4 book trilogy. Enjoy, it is a fun read.

eileena9's photo
Sun 04/10/11 05:43 PM
I think the movie is like a "guilty pleasure movie", you know when you feel kinda down in the dumps and just need to laugh about people getting smacked in the face by spatulas that pop-up from the ground when you think.laugh

paul1217's photo
Sun 04/10/11 05:50 PM
I read all the books, and actually have a copy(on 5.25 inch Floppy DOS) of the computer game, 15 years before the movie came out and was very skeptical that they could do the books justice. They did a good job capturing the whacked out, imagination of the writer.

AdventureBegins's photo
Mon 04/11/11 10:26 PM

A quick silly little idea.

If anyone actually understands it I would find the answers enlightening.

Odd terrain Power Station engine proposal.

Reverse field TOMAK (or Cyclrotron) Using MHD (with no heat) concept, fueld by 'fukishima water), bathed in a high frequency resonating magnetic field (for containment).

How much (if any) energy could be drained from the system once you started the 'water' spining inside the 'induction coil'.

Feel free to make fun of it...

after further study...

Fusion torus with its outside walls made of small scale (low energy) MEV cyclotrons for 'field' force multiplyers. (phased and tunable).
In a sphere about the torus.
How much energy would be required to initialse the mesh?

sanelunasea's photo
Tue 04/12/11 02:30 AM
I think if there were a way to derive useful energy from radioactive byproducts we wouldn't be burying our spent nuclear cores in the desert on top of a geologically sound tectonic plate to ensure their safety and stability for the next couple of millennia.

The thought of putting them to some kind of more productive use does have some merit to it. Although I don't exactly see how these ramblings would accomplish that.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 04/12/11 08:21 AM
Ramblings?

Perhaps.

However each of the devices I mentioned exists.

No one has tried (to my knowledge) combining them into a single unit.

and meshing their sciences.

sanelunasea's photo
Tue 04/12/11 01:36 PM
I don't doubt that. But the point is you can't squeeze water from a stone if it isn't there. I don't know what half of the items up mentioned actually do, but let's say it is possible to generate energy in the way you are thinking about. It's most likely that the energy output is only going to be a fraction if the energy you have to put into it. That's the problem with fusion. It requires much more energy than it generates. So it's possible, it just isn't very practical.

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 04/12/11 04:04 PM
ah but...

I am not talking about actual 'fusion'...

I am simply proposing moving a 'reactive' fluid through a magnetic field...

and 'siphoning' the energy from the resulting 'induction'.

sanelunasea's photo
Tue 04/12/11 06:40 PM
I think I see what you are getting at. It sounds like something similar to the way a conductor generates current when it passes through a magnetic field. What makes you think material will behave in any way similar to a conductor just because it is radioactive? Certainly there are radioactive conductors out there, but it seems to me they would behave exactly the same way a non-radioactive conductor would, except for the fact that they are radioactive. Not to mention all the various types of radioactive emissions there are in the first place.

JSYK, I mentioned fusion as an example of impracticality. It sounds like a pretty complicated set-up for a fairly simple concept.

sanelunasea's photo
Tue 04/12/11 07:01 PM
Keep in mind ions have an electric charge, not isotopes. Isotopes merely have an abnormal amount of neutrons in the nucleus. The excess neutrons make the nuclear bonds unstable until either:
A) an entire neutron is ejected from the nucleus,
B) an electron breaks apart from a neutron (turning it into a proton, and thus changing the atom into a different element) and is then ejected from the nucleus,
or
C) a helium nucleus (2 neutrons and 2 protons) are ejected, also changing the atom into a different element.

In some cases there is also pure electromagnetic radiation (no mass is ejected from the nucleus) emitted. Don't ask me how, exactly. It's been a while for me, so I can't tell you.

Alpha radiation, the helium nuclei, being the most massive, has the lowest velocity and is therefore the least harmful form of radiation. Gamma radiation, the electromagnetic type, having no mass travels at a velocity of c and is probably the most damaging form of radiation.

This concludes Radiation 101

AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 04/12/11 08:32 PM

I think I see what you are getting at. It sounds like something similar to the way a conductor generates current when it passes through a magnetic field. What makes you think material will behave in any way similar to a conductor just because it is radioactive? Certainly there are radioactive conductors out there, but it seems to me they would behave exactly the same way a non-radioactive conductor would, except for the fact that they are radioactive. Not to mention all the various types of radioactive emissions there are in the first place.

JSYK, I mentioned fusion as an example of impracticality. It sounds like a pretty complicated set-up for a fairly simple concept.

If you put a powdered conductor into the 'fuel' the molecules of the poweder will move because of the radiation.

If you 'direct' that movement with low energy em fields through a coil, that movement will create high energy inductance in a coil.

Fusion generators so far have been plagued by loss of 'brushes' to the plasma in short periods of time.

So also have Magneto Hydro Dynamic Generators.

This would get a smaller result than a proposed Fusion Torus or MHD but last a lot longer.

The fluid is not 'hot' in degrees... Just radiation.

sanelunasea's photo
Tue 04/12/11 10:59 PM
If that's the case, I still don't see why it wouldn't work with just plain old water. Maybe there's still something I'm missing.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 04/13/11 09:51 AM

If that's the case, I still don't see why it wouldn't work with just plain old water. Maybe there's still something I'm missing.

Plain old water wont 'excite' the small particles in the 'powder' to move.

that requires radiation.

With out the electro magnetic fields the 'movement' is random. With a electro magnetic field the 'movement' can be directed, shaped, and 'contained' to move a high percentage of the particles in the 'powder' through the induction field.

Energy will come.

AdventureBegins's photo
Thu 04/21/11 09:55 PM
Edited by AdventureBegins on Thu 04/21/11 09:56 PM

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forms a 64 bound with the cosmic backround.

Stable, yet allows interactions with the individual atoms of the 'field' structure.

Burnt coal dust with metallic isotopes would mix nicely in the 'fuel' and enough 'buckys'will be formed that this is possible.

buckyball forms such a bond.

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