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Given the way Kadaffi does business he will more than likely round up some unwilling citizens and make them 'camp out' arround his air defenses...
So he can claim we killed them when we bomb. |
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I, as a student of history, always believe that history repeats itself and it has happened many times over.Mr Obama is doing what he has to do in light of events going on. I was taught to respect the President no matter who they are. I don't agree with their views, but I have respect for them because I could never do that job myself. a Lot of responsibilty on that person's shoulders.!!!! I agree. I respect the office and mostly see the person as a spokesperson for the country. I believe most do the best they can and I dont hold them personally or solely responsible for ANYTHING that doesnt fall under their (very limited) exclusive authority. I do hold them responsibe for the reputation and relationships they keep as 'spokesperson for the US' with other countries and governments. So the Press Secretary is the spokesman for the spokesman? LMAO Yes, just as a press agent speaks for the SPOKESPERSON of a pageant(pageant winner). sounds silly, but thats precisely right in terms of REAL AUTHORITY. The president is limited in his REAL AUTHORITY, he is mostly a mouthpiece for certain issues in government and a mediator/representative between governments. He is the chief executive and commander in chief of the armed forces. Comparing the president to a pageant winner is VERY silly.. its the simplest analogy I can come up with yes , he is commander in chief of the armed forces, BUT even to make treaties or wars, he needs the approval of CONGRESS because of the checks and balances of our constitution, CONGRESS IS THE REAL POWER IN THE US When was the last time congress declared war? upon research, it looks as if it was 2003, operation iraqi freedom technically, thats a 'military engagement',.,.. the last FORMAL war appears to be 1941 According to my reading and research, the Congress declared war on Dec 7, 1941 when the Japanese Empire bombed Pearl Harbor. His speech of him declaring war on Japan is heard very often, especially on the Anniversary of December 7th. The other time was with Operation Iraqi Freedom, as stated ealier. Congress usually is the one to declare war. The President has no authority to do so unless Congress says so. System of checks and balances here. I am sure it was mentioned in Civics Class. I just remember having to be drilled on Military history. |
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I, as a student of history, always believe that history repeats itself and it has happened many times over.Mr Obama is doing what he has to do in light of events going on. I was taught to respect the President no matter who they are. I don't agree with their views, but I have respect for them because I could never do that job myself. a Lot of responsibilty on that person's shoulders.!!!! I agree. I respect the office and mostly see the person as a spokesperson for the country. I believe most do the best they can and I dont hold them personally or solely responsible for ANYTHING that doesnt fall under their (very limited) exclusive authority. I do hold them responsibe for the reputation and relationships they keep as 'spokesperson for the US' with other countries and governments. So the Press Secretary is the spokesman for the spokesman? LMAO Yes, just as a press agent speaks for the SPOKESPERSON of a pageant(pageant winner). sounds silly, but thats precisely right in terms of REAL AUTHORITY. The president is limited in his REAL AUTHORITY, he is mostly a mouthpiece for certain issues in government and a mediator/representative between governments. He is the chief executive and commander in chief of the armed forces. Comparing the president to a pageant winner is VERY silly.. its the simplest analogy I can come up with yes , he is commander in chief of the armed forces, BUT even to make treaties or wars, he needs the approval of CONGRESS because of the checks and balances of our constitution, CONGRESS IS THE REAL POWER IN THE US When was the last time congress declared war? upon research, it looks as if it was 2003, operation iraqi freedom technically, thats a 'military engagement',.,.. the last FORMAL war appears to be 1941 According to my reading and research, the Congress declared war on Dec 7, 1941 when the Japanese Empire bombed Pearl Harbor. His speech of him declaring war on Japan is heard very often, especially on the Anniversary of December 7th. The other time was with Operation Iraqi Freedom, as stated ealier. Congress usually is the one to declare war. The President has no authority to do so unless Congress says so. System of checks and balances here. I am sure it was mentioned in Civics Class. I just remember having to be drilled on Military history. There is one historic exception, if American territory is invaded. Likewise a president can perform Policing actions (Vietnam!) and those inevitably drag us into a war anyways. The only difference with Grenada was we beat up a token force with some pretty beefy firepower. That still was likewise a police action lasting three days. The fighting was only a day if that.Desert Storm was the Bush Family getting revenge on an assassination attempt on G Bush Sr.. That and Iraqi Oil. And historically speaking we dragged Japan into war with us by cutting them off from oil exports to them while they invaded China. We were interfering with Japanese ambitions anyways. These days war is conducted on fronts other than battlefields. |
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Presidential 'powers' used that I remember off the top of my head.
Bombing of Libya after Berlin Disco attack. (short sweet and to the point). Invasion of Grenada (again short sweet and to the point). Bombing of Lebannon after the Marine Corp Barracks was destroyed. (short operation). As long as the mission is well defined and the President does not allow the 'warhawks' in Congress to 'extend' the mission it is a part of the 'diplomacy' package. Depends upon the President and how much 'moxy' he has. |
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Its always a good idea to dispense with the constitution whenever you feel the urge to go to war.. It has worked out so well, hasn't it? You're right, absolutely. When you go to the can after a good meal, you don't take your dessert there with you to nibble on while you grund out a big one. Sorry, I replaced one word in your post with a better meshing one. I am alerting you to it so you won't sue me for inordinantificated misquoting prurience. I don't think you've ever sued me, but never mind, it's always better to be safe than sorry. I'm putting the suit on hold until I can identify what inordinatificated means.. |
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Presidential 'powers' used that I remember off the top of my head. Bombing of Libya after Berlin Disco attack. (short sweet and to the point). Invasion of Grenada (again short sweet and to the point). Bombing of Lebannon after the Marine Corp Barracks was destroyed. (short operation). As long as the mission is well defined and the President does not allow the 'warhawks' in Congress to 'extend' the mission it is a part of the 'diplomacy' package. Depends upon the President and how much 'moxy' he has. Amazing how many peace loving Democrats are all for dragging us into another war becasue of Democracy in a country that needs to fend for itself. OH NO! HILLARY CLINTON IS SO EAGER TO SEND THE WAR HAWKS OUT WHEN SHE FEELS IT PRUDENT FOR WORLD RELATIONS AND DEMOCRACY! God I hate the UN! They SUCK AND SWALLOW! Those ineffectual diplomats bastards always call us to do their dirty work and then they have the BALLS to spit on us for atrocities and other crap they claim we pull while using US to do their dirty work! FUQUE THE UN IN ITS COLLECTIVE FACE! WE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO AND WHERE AMERICAN MILITARY ASSETS WILL BE USED IN THIS WORLD. NOT YOU, NOT OBAMA! CONGRESS MAKES US DECLARES WAR, NOT THE UN! SENDING US TO GET CONTROL OF YOUR OIL INTERESTS IS BULLSHITTE PLAIN AND SIMPLE! ONE DAY WE WILL HAVE A PRESIDENT WITH THE BALLS TO HAND YOU THE BILL FOR OUR DIRTY WORK YOU GET TO REAP THE REWARDS OFF OF SO EASILY AND SANCTION YOUR DUMB AZZES! THE UN IS THE BIG BUSINESS WE ALL SHOULD BE FEARING! GET OUT OF OUR WHITE HOUSE!!! Huff... Huff... Huff... Huff... If we are supposed to be the world leader why are we being led? |
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Personally I think the President found himself in a very bad position.
Given the reliance France has on Lybian oil that country would have attempted action on its own (without the proper resources to complete the mission). Said action would not have been effective and would have turned a bad situation into a worse one. (we would have been forced into a position of 'rescuing' the french per nato treaties - and need boots on the ground to do it). Better to put the proper resources into the initial 'assualt'. |
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And sell weapons to both sides!
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