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Topic: Prepare to Pay a Lot More for Your Internet
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Thu 03/10/11 11:10 AM
If you like the rip-off plans you have to pay for your cell, or the bundled programming that you have to pay for on your TV, then you'll love the way your Internet is likely to change.
House subcommittee votes to overturn Net neutrality rule

By Rich Daly
Posted: March 10, 2011 - 12:00 pm ET
Tags: Information Technology, Legislation, Policy

House Republicans moved to block regulations that they contend will transform Internet service providers into the equivalent of highly regulated public utilities. The House Energy and Commerce Communications and Technology Subcommittee voted 15-8 along party lines to advance a resolution that would overturn the so-called Net-neutrality rule approved by Democratic members of the Federal Communications Commission in December.
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Republican Rep. Phil Gingrey of Georgia and other House GOP members said the measure was needed to prevent "a government takeover of the Internet."

"It is simply another attempt by the federal government to control private industry and further burden free enterprise," Gingrey said in a written statement after the vote.

Democrats and Web content giants such as Google said the regulations are needed to prevent service providers from possibly imposing future limits on download sizes or varying charges based on bandwidth use.

"We can't wish away the concentrated market structure and assume that broadband providers will always act in the best interests of consumers and innovators," S. Derek Turner, research director at Free Press, a liberal advocacy group, told the panel in a hearing before the vote.

The measure requires a simple majority to pass each chamber of Congress, and legislative rules prevent members of Congress from amending or filibustering it. The full committee has not yet scheduled a vote on the measure, according to a spokeswoman.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20110310/NEWS/303109989/1153



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Thu 03/10/11 11:13 AM
measure was needed to prevent "a government takeover of the Internet."

Too late. Hussein and any other wanna' be dictator will still have the power to shut it off.

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Thu 03/10/11 11:21 AM
What is the Net-neutrality rule?


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Thu 03/10/11 11:22 AM

measure was needed to prevent "a government takeover of the Internet."

Too late. Hussein and any other wanna' be dictator will still have the power to shut it off.



How exactly ?

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Thu 03/10/11 11:24 AM
I think government itself is pretty dependent on the Internet. If they were to try to shut it down for everyone else, especially permanently, there would arise an underground of internet providers and hackers and they would likely take down the government.


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Thu 03/10/11 11:29 AM
When you have to choose between private enterprise (which translates into giant corporations) and the government... well I wonder if that makes any difference. I suspect that giant corporations (the people with all the money) own the government anyway.

So it just becomes a matter of the red tape.


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Thu 03/10/11 11:38 AM
What is the Net-neutrality rule?


This Wikipedia article explains it better than I could.
What is the Net-neutrality rule?
Network neutrality (also net neutrality, Internet neutrality) is a principle proposed for users' access to networks participating in the Internet. The principle advocates no restrictions by Internet service providers and governments on content, sites, platforms, the kinds of equipment that may be attached, and the modes of communication.[1][2][3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality

Basically, as i understand, it says that internet service providers may not discriminate in how websites are sent through the internet. For instance, Let's say that your favorite website is a small concern, but one that can't afford to pay much to get into the system. The ISP would have the ability to slow the download for that website waaay down, while the Koch Brothers' website would sail right through at the fastest speed.

Opponents of net neutrality argue that it squelches opportunities for innovation in the internet business. Personally , I'm not impressed with the business innovations that we have seen in other telecommunications sectors. Lousy service at a high price.

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Thu 03/10/11 11:41 AM

If you like the rip-off plans you have to pay for your cell, or the bundled programming that you have to pay for on your TV, then you'll love the way your Internet is likely to change.
House subcommittee votes to overturn Net neutrality rule

By Rich Daly
Posted: March 10, 2011 - 12:00 pm ET
Tags: Information Technology, Legislation, Policy

House Republicans moved to block regulations that they contend will transform Internet service providers into the equivalent of highly regulated public utilities. The House Energy and Commerce Communications and Technology Subcommittee voted 15-8 along party lines to advance a resolution that would overturn the so-called Net-neutrality rule approved by Democratic members of the Federal Communications Commission in December.
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Republican Rep. Phil Gingrey of Georgia and other House GOP members said the measure was needed to prevent "a government takeover of the Internet."

"It is simply another attempt by the federal government to control private industry and further burden free enterprise," Gingrey said in a written statement after the vote.

Democrats and Web content giants such as Google said the regulations are needed to prevent service providers from possibly imposing future limits on download sizes or varying charges based on bandwidth use.

"We can't wish away the concentrated market structure and assume that broadband providers will always act in the best interests of consumers and innovators," S. Derek Turner, research director at Free Press, a liberal advocacy group, told the panel in a hearing before the vote.

The measure requires a simple majority to pass each chamber of Congress, and legislative rules prevent members of Congress from amending or filibustering it. The full committee has not yet scheduled a vote on the measure, according to a spokeswoman.

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20110310/NEWS/303109989/1153





But its fine for a company like google to monopolize content and rig their searches to list their buddies at the top of the list..

I can buy whatever service I choose. There are plenty of ISPs. If I don't like the cable company I can switch to another..

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Thu 03/10/11 11:45 AM
Edited by artlo on Thu 03/10/11 11:46 AM
with net neutrality you don't have to choose. You have equal access to any website, any time with nobody making you pay more for this or that bundle of websites. Sort of like how it is now.

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Thu 03/10/11 11:56 AM

with net neutrality you don't have to choose. You have equal access to any website, any time with nobody making you pay more for this or that bundle of websites. Sort of like how it is now.


I have never paid anything extra for internet service. I have never been told by my ISP what sites I can access or what sites I would have to pay extra to access..

I really don't see how Google wanting to monopolize what people see being a good thing..

But I know why they want to do it..


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Thu 03/10/11 12:01 PM
I have never paid anything extra for internet service. I have never been told by my ISP what sites I can access or what sites I would have to pay extra to access..
Of course not. Thats' because we have net neutrality.

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Thu 03/10/11 12:54 PM


I really don't see how Google wanting to monopolize what people see being a good thing..





What does google have to do with it? They are just a search engine. If you don't like them try a different search engine.


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Thu 03/10/11 01:05 PM
(I think the "Google" card was just a smoke screen. Has nothing to do with anything, as you so eloquently pointed out).

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Thu 03/10/11 01:56 PM



I really don't see how Google wanting to monopolize what people see being a good thing..





What does google have to do with it? They are just a search engine. If you don't like them try a different search engine.




Stock prices:

Google $580/ share

Yahoo $17/ share

But.. but.. but.. they are just search engines..






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Thu 03/10/11 01:59 PM
Stock prices:

Google $580/ share

Yahoo $17/ share

But.. but.. but.. they are just search engines..
Any splits?

No question. Google is approaching monopoly status. Should we be enforcing anti-trust laws? This definitely went out of vogue during the period since Ronald Reagan.

Still, has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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Thu 03/10/11 02:15 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 03/10/11 02:17 PM
[rant]

I think the idea of trying to control the flow of information on the Internet will be one of the first things to spark a revolution.

We used to have free television which paid for itself by advertisements. Then pay t.v. came in, and at first there were no advertisements. Then they loaded it up with advertisements too.

Its all about money and commerce. Its all like one big fat monopoly game.

But at the end of the game, its only worthless paper money and it all goes back inside the box.

Nothing matters.

The entire political system is bought and sold by corporations and the filthy rich. To them, we normal citizen are nothing but consumers of junk and trash that we not really need.

People need clean water, clean air and food and they are worried about selling you the next I-pad.

[/end of rant]


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Thu 03/10/11 02:17 PM
That's the wondrous magic of capitalism.

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Thu 03/10/11 02:20 PM
No question. Google is approaching monopoly status. Should we be enforcing anti-trust laws? This definitely went out of vogue during the period since Ronald Reagan.


So what? Google made it possible to find just about anything on the Internet you are looking for.

They are like a giant library. I don't have a library in this town worth going to. I would be in the dark if it were not for the Internet and I would be lost in cyberspace forever if it were not for google.

People just hate other people who are successful. People hate Bill Gates, Donald Trump etc. I look at all the things I have and thank people like that who brought them to me to use.


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Thu 03/10/11 02:33 PM
New Bill Gives Obama ‘Kill Switch’ To Shut Down The Internet

Government would have “absolute power” to seize control of the world wide web under Lieberman legislation
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-bill-gives-obama-kill-switch-to-shut-down-the-internet.html

Obama Can Shut Down Internet For 4 Months Under New Emergency Powers

‘Kill switch’ bill approved, moves to Senate floor

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, June 25, 2010
President Obama will be handed the power to shut down the Internet for at least four months without Congressional oversight if the Senate votes for the infamous Internet ‘kill switch’ bill, which was approved by a key Senate committee yesterday and now moves to the floor.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-can-shut-down-internet-for-4-months-under-new-emergency-powers.html

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Thu 03/10/11 02:37 PM
What does this have to do with anything? You don't think that this law would be the same with or without net neutrality?

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