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artlo
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Wed 03/02/11 10:27 AM
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This may go a little way to explain it. HUGE tax credits for people who pay no US income tax at all.
That helps to explain this: 0: Number of Republicans Who Voted To Cut Taxpayer Subsidies for Big Oil. With Big Oil raking in record profits, House Democrats offered a Motion to Recommit to the House Republican short-term spending bill this afternoon making a responsible cut to the budget: putting an end to taxpayer-funded subsidies to large oil companies. Repealing these subsidies would save taxpayers tens of billions over the next decade and even ex-Shell CEO John Hofmeister agrees saying “with high oil prices, such subsidies are not necessary.” Rep. William Keating (D-MA) offered the motion on the House floor saying “let’s stop sending taxpayers’ money to the most profitable companies in the world.” ...Republicans voted unanimously against the motion, defeating it by a vote of 176-249. That's your GOP. They're willing to cut that deficit on the backs of the poor, the elderly, women, the middle class, public employees . . . For all of us, it's "so be it" as jobs disappear. But they sure as hell won't endanger the massive profits of their Big Oil friends. |
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This may go a little way to explain it. HUGE tax credits for people who pay no US income tax at all. That helps to explain this: 0: Number of Republicans Who Voted To Cut Taxpayer Subsidies for Big Oil. With Big Oil raking in record profits, House Democrats offered a Motion to Recommit to the House Republican short-term spending bill this afternoon making a responsible cut to the budget: putting an end to taxpayer-funded subsidies to large oil companies. Repealing these subsidies would save taxpayers tens of billions over the next decade and even ex-Shell CEO John Hofmeister agrees saying “with high oil prices, such subsidies are not necessary.” Rep. William Keating (D-MA) offered the motion on the House floor saying “let’s stop sending taxpayers’ money to the most profitable companies in the world.” ...Republicans voted unanimously against the motion, defeating it by a vote of 176-249. That's your GOP. They're willing to cut that deficit on the backs of the poor, the elderly, women, the middle class, public employees . . . For all of us, it's "so be it" as jobs disappear. But they sure as hell won't endanger the massive profits of their Big Oil friends. How about we call out all the companies that don't pay any income taxes in the US.. I know you won't see the fact that GE actually got $1.1 billion back from the government in 2009 on the daily kooks, but hey.. They are looking out for us all.. http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxon-walmart-business-washington-corporate-taxes_slide.html Click on the > and take a look.. |
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Edited by
artlo
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Wed 03/02/11 10:55 AM
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That's a pretty good source. You may be right.
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I'm willing to take your source at face value for now. However, I am deeply suspicious. We know that Corporations play lots of games with their books. Does "taxes owed" equate to "taxes actually paid"? Exxon is quite secretive of the financial records that they don't want anybody to see. I'll leave it at that for now.
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I'm willing to take your source at face value for now. However, I am deeply suspicious. We know that Corporations play lots of games with their books. Does "taxes owed" equate to "taxes actually paid"? Exxon is quite secretive of the financial records that they don't want anybody to see. I'll leave it at that for now. It says that Exxon paid no taxes in the US for 2009. The taxes they paid were to foreign countries. If you look at GE they say they made $10 billion in the US and $81 billion outside the US. So they made a total of $91 billion and paid zero taxes in the US and actually were able to get $1.1 billion back from the IRS. I posted this link because I believe it gives a very good indication of how much these companies make and how little they pay in US income taxes because they do most of their business in foreign countries. Take it for what it is worth. |
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This is the article that the slide show was linked with.
http://www.forbes.com/2010/04/01/ge-exxon-walmart-business-washington-corporate-taxes.html What The Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes How can it be that you pay more to the IRS than General Electric? HOUSTON -- As you work on your taxes this month, here's something to raise your hackles: Some of the world's biggest, most profitable corporations enjoy a far lower tax rate than you do--that is, if they pay taxes at all. The most egregious example is General Electric ( GE - news - people ). Last year the conglomerate generated $10.3 billion in pretax income, but ended up owing nothing to Uncle Sam. In fact, it recorded a tax benefit of $1.1 billion. Avoiding taxes is nothing new for General Electric. In 2008 its effective tax rate was 5.3%; in 2007 it was 15%. The marginal U.S. corporate rate is 35%. In Pictures: What The 25 Top U.S. Companies Pay In Taxes How did this happen? It's complicated. GE's tax return is the largest the IRS deals with each year--some 24,000 pages if printed out. Its annual report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission weighs in at more than 700 pages. Inside you'll find that GE in effect consists of two divisions: General Electric Capital and everything else. The everything else--maker of engines, power plants, TV shows and the like--would have paid a 22% tax rate if it was a standalone company. It's GE Capital that keeps the overall tax bill so low. Over the last two years, GE Capital has displayed an uncanny ability to lose lots of money in the U.S. (posting a $6.5 billion loss in 2009), and make lots of money overseas (a $4.3 billion gain). Not only do the U.S. losses balance out the overseas gains, but GE can defer taxes on that overseas income indefinitely. The timing of big deductions for depreciation in GE Capital's equipment leasing business also provides a tax benefit, as will loan losses left over from the credit crunch. But it's the tax benefit of overseas operations that is the biggest reason why multinationals end up with lower tax rates than the rest of us. It only makes sense that multinationals "put costs in high-tax countries and profits in low-tax countries," says Scott Hodge, president of the Tax Foundation. Those low-tax countries are almost anywhere but the U.S. "When you add in state taxes, the U.S. has the highest tax burden among industrialized countries," says Hodge. In contrast, China's rate is just 25%; Ireland's is 12.5%. Corporations are getting smarter, not just about doing more business in low-tax countries, but in moving their more valuable assets there as well. That means setting up overseas subsidiaries, then transferring to them ownership of long-lived, often intangible but highly profitable assets, like patents and software. As a result, figures tax economist Martin Sullivan, companies are keeping some $28 billion a year out of the clutches of the U.S. Treasury by engaging in so-called transfer pricing arrangements, where, say, Microsoft's ( MSFT - news - people ) overseas subsidiaries license software to its U.S. parent company in return for handsome royalties (that get taxed at those lower overseas rates). |
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Edited by
artlo
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Thu 03/03/11 06:50 AM
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I jumped ahead of myself. I had just read the retraction that the Forbes author issued on April7.
http://blogs.forbes.com/energysource/2010/04/07/exxon-says-it-does-pay-u-s-income-taxes/ I have these senior moments from time to time. |
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"This may go a little way to explain it. HUGE tax credits for people who pay no US income tax at all."
Oh... You mean like those that get welfare... have several kids... pay no tax... yet get thousands in 'credits' for those kids. |
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"This may go a little way to explain it. HUGE tax credits for people who pay no US income tax at all." Oh... You mean like those that get welfare... have several kids... pay no tax... yet get thousands in 'credits' for those kids. Bazinga |
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