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Topic: Gore claims global warming caused snowstorms.
AdventureBegins's photo
Tue 02/01/11 05:59 PM
Is this true...

Did he really claim that severe snowstorms are being caused by global warming?
rofl
slaphead


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Tue 02/01/11 06:04 PM

Is this true...

Did he really claim that severe snowstorms are being caused by global warming?
rofl
slaphead


Do you realize our grand kids are going to look on the man-made global warming kooks like we do on snake oil salesmen?

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/01/11 09:10 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Tue 02/01/11 09:11 PM
Of course!

What do you think causes the abnormal and extreme weather conditions we've been seeing get progressively worse year after year?

Don't tell me you don't believe in science.frustrated

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 02/01/11 09:25 PM

Of course!

What do you think causes the abnormal and extreme weather conditions we've been seeing get progressively worse year after year?

Don't tell me you don't believe in science.frustrated


this is what happens when people listen to too much talky talks on tv and radio. no one on cnn, bsnbc, HN, and Fox are scientist yet they all have agendas to push and their fans think they're getting real news and information.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/01/11 09:29 PM
No!

This is what happens when educated people look at the facts!

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 02/01/11 09:33 PM

No!

This is what happens when educated people look at the facts!


Isn't that what I said in a round about way? If someone is not a scientist and does not do this for a living then everything they have to say is non sense, unfortunately for AL Gore he is not a scientist. He took something that has been investigated since about 1970 and ran with it. Let the pros hash it out and ignore tv and radio talky talks.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/01/11 09:45 PM


No!

This is what happens when educated people look at the facts!


Isn't that what I said in a round about way? If someone is not a scientist and does not do this for a living then everything they have to say is non sense, unfortunately for AL Gore he is not a scientist. He took something that has been investigated since about 1970 and ran with it. Let the pros hash it out and ignore tv and radio talky talks.


OK my bad.
Gore is an ex-VP who cares and has loaned his face and voice to get the message out. That's all!
Scientists aren't good public speakers and Gore doesn't claim to be a scientist.
Scientists speak in a language most can't understand so Gore speaks on their behalf.
It doesn't take away from the facts though.
Global warming needs to be addressed!
NOW!

damnitscloudy's photo
Tue 02/01/11 09:45 PM
I think Al Gore is trying to be relevent again. Good thing he is easy to ignore.

Besides, the weather in Kentucky has been getting colder and colder every winter in the last 5 years. If thats not climate change than I dunno what is.

Chazster's photo
Tue 02/01/11 10:08 PM
I guess Noone listens to the scientists who say climate change is a natural phenomenon of our planet.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/01/11 10:22 PM
There aren't many who do, and they only speak when the oil companies pay them to.

boredinaz06's photo
Tue 02/01/11 11:05 PM
Edited by boredinaz06 on Tue 02/01/11 11:08 PM



No!

This is what happens when educated people look at the facts!


Isn't that what I said in a round about way? If someone is not a scientist and does not do this for a living then everything they have to say is non sense, unfortunately for AL Gore he is not a scientist. He took something that has been investigated since about 1970 and ran with it. Let the pros hash it out and ignore tv and radio talky talks.


OK my bad.
Gore is an ex-VP who cares and has loaned his face and voice to get the message out. That's all!
Scientists aren't good public speakers and Gore doesn't claim to be a scientist.
Scientists speak in a language most can't understand so Gore speaks on their behalf.
It doesn't take away from the facts though.
Global warming needs to be addressed!
NOW!


I agree to a point, but Al Gore is doing this so he can stay in the limelight. Not all scientists are incapable of talking to the average person. I am a wildlife biology major and we cover quite a bit of climate and climate change and Al Gore makes some claims that are kinda out there, bottom line is a great many scientists regardless of which way they lean will tell you that nobody knows for certain what is going on and this is why it is still a hypothesis and not a theory.

Fanta46's photo
Tue 02/01/11 11:40 PM
Too much fact to be a hypothetical Theory.

actionlynx's photo
Wed 02/02/11 12:34 AM
Global warming actually can create more severe winter storms in the upper latitudes. That's because it affects pressure systems and air flow patterns. For instance, the hot humid air that Connecticut receives in the Summer is actually pumped into the upper atmosphere from the subtropics (around Bermuda) then deflected back down upon the Northeastern U.S. This past Summer was the hottest average season Connecticut has ever had, breaking the top three seasons as far as 90+ degree days (we had 34...within 4 of the record). Because of differences in the thickness of the atmosphere at different latitudes, not all regions are affected equally by global warming. Therefore, it is the interaction between tropical, sub-tropical, and temperate regional airflows that are most likely to be disrupted. This means that Arctic and Sub-Arctic regions can experience warmer than normal winters while temperate regions can still experience colder than normal weather.

As far as what Al Gore said about Alaska, don't believe him....ask Sarah Palin instead. If you don't believe her, ask my cousin and her husband who have lived in Fairbanks, Alaska for the past 20 years.

Truth is, I spent the past twenty years studying this as a hobby....did some math, researched how Earth systems interact (seismology, meteorology, geophysics, astronomy, etc.), and I came to realize that this is so complex that most people will never be able to understand it at all. BUT it IS happening. The only real question is the end result because we are in uncharted territory, not just in science, but in the entire history of the Earth.

Believe whatever news you are fed. I don't get my information from such. I make up my own mind by doing my own research. I don't look to the media, or the internet, or to politicians. I go out an learn how to understand things, then go out and learn the data. In the end, I interpret it all for myself to see who is right and who is wrong....whose side does my own research favor from an objective point of view. I began studying this back in 1987 when I was in high school because of my assignment for Model UN. I spoke to diplomats about this subject back then. I have talked with Presidential advisors about this subject when I was in college. That was 20 years ago. Based on my own logic and math, and with my own eyes, I have seen what they warned me about back then even if most people cannot understand it.

InvictusV's photo
Wed 02/02/11 04:41 AM

There aren't many who do, and they only speak when the oil companies pay them to.


If you are speaking about climates changing you are correct. Most if not all credible scientists believe that climate changes.

The historical record is pretty clear on that one.

I think Mr Gore cares nothing about this issue other than it has been a way for him to make millions of dollars and if the ridiculous carbon credit scam ever comes to fruition he will make millions more.

I personally find it a sick and twisted way to make money.

Fear mongering has become a tried and true way for the rich to get richer and everyone else to suffer for it.




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Wed 02/02/11 07:05 AM

Of course!

What do you think causes the abnormal and extreme weather conditions we've been seeing get progressively worse year after year?

Don't tell me you don't believe in science.frustrated


How about the thousands of scientists who have questioned Global Warming?

How about the fact that Global Warming scientists said the world would get hotter until we had a bad winter, then they said it would get colder?

You trust whatever goofy money grubbing scientist who comes along. I'll trust Piers Corbyn with his doctorates in Astrophysics and Meteorology. He accurately predicted this years weather based on solar activity and magnetic activity in the upper atmosphere and he says that man-made global warming is a bunch of hooey.

willing2's photo
Wed 02/02/11 08:12 AM
The only scientists who preach Gore's global warming are Gov. subsidized.

And this is how they come up with their findings.


actionlynx's photo
Wed 02/02/11 01:40 PM


Of course!

What do you think causes the abnormal and extreme weather conditions we've been seeing get progressively worse year after year?

Don't tell me you don't believe in science.frustrated


How about the thousands of scientists who have questioned Global Warming?

How about the fact that Global Warming scientists said the world would get hotter until we had a bad winter, then they said it would get colder?

You trust whatever goofy money grubbing scientist who comes along. I'll trust Piers Corbyn with his doctorates in Astrophysics and Meteorology. He accurately predicted this years weather based on solar activity and magnetic activity in the upper atmosphere and he says that man-made global warming is a bunch of hooey.


I just checked out the WeatherAction site....I don't know about UK or European weather this winter, which is what the forecast is for. I do know that the forecast roughly fits New England which was not part of the equation. So they found a new way to forecast weather....great. But the site offers nothing to substantiate it's claims about Global Warming. I actually can see, after only a moment's reflection, the basis of their own theories(their weather forecasting), and without further research, they do seem credible and somewhat overlooked. In fact, it seems to have evolved from the research by Milankovitch almost 100 years ago, which given what I know could be a very good direction to approach this from. However, I still think the truth is somewhere in between, where one line of research may ultimate complement and reconcile the other line of research.

However, the interaction of CO2 in this planet is very complex. I personally do not believe in the "scorched earth" vision that some people have about global warming. The Earth has ways of correcting itself. Those defenses will become active quicker than many might think. Even so, there are some consequences in the meantime that need to be addressed. And that also does not reduce the need for developing and using alternative energies.

Scientific theory generally takes 50 years to be accepted within the scientific community. When Greenhouse Theory came about, this was new science within inaccurate forecast models. However, given that a 5 to 10 degree change worldwide could have large ramifications for several areas of the world, those scientists felt that waiting 50 years for acceptance would be too late. Hence the push was on. During that time, a new generation of young scientists were in college, latching on to this environmental issue. That means you are going to have people who join the cause for the wrong reasons. Maybe they aren't really the best suited for the field of work, but they believe in the cause. On the other side, you have the old school students who later join the fight against the cause. The longer response is delayed, the more desperate the reaction.

The more they argue, the less "good" research is done because some of the best, brightest, most-qualified scientists are too busy speaking to get the message out. All this debating adds to the confusion and impedes progress in research. If the two sides had worked together instead, developing separate theories then running computer models to see what might happen when the two theories were run simultaneously, we might have more answers right now than we presently do.

Here is my un-Scientific opinion (since I lack the tools to test it): The Earth just came out of a mini Ice Age about 150 years ago. We have been experiencing a warming trend because of that. CO2 will increase the effects of that warming trend (perhaps 10 to 15 degrees F - or 6 to 8 degrees C - above the average temperature during the mini Ice Age), but it will accelerate the coming of the next mini Ice Age, which will likely be much shorter than the last one....perhaps 100 years rather than 400 years.

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Wed 02/02/11 01:45 PM
0.0387% of the atmosphere is CO2.

When the Earth was warming, so was every other planet in the solar system. During that same time, the sun was more active. Now that solar activity is decreasing, the earth's temperature is dropping.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 02/02/11 03:03 PM

Of course!

What do you think causes the abnormal and extreme weather conditions we've been seeing get progressively worse year after year?

Don't tell me you don't believe in science.frustrated

If you actually know some science.

Compare unexpectedly 'bad' weather to PHA's in NEO...

bet you find a corelaton between close approach (within 9 LD) by even a 10 meter one causes 'distruption' of atmosphereic and near space envionments.

It don't have to hit us to cause damage.

I have been researching this for years...

check it out. You might be SHOCKED at the results.

AdventureBegins's photo
Wed 02/02/11 03:10 PM

0.0387% of the atmosphere is CO2.

When the Earth was warming, so was every other planet in the solar system. During that same time, the sun was more active. Now that solar activity is decreasing, the earth's temperature is dropping.

Solar activity is INCREASING and will for at least another decade.

Proof: SpaceWeather

Solar sun spot activity.

From 2004 to 2009 solar activity reference to sunspots averaged 420 days without sunspot activity.

in 2009 that number changed by roughly 50% (average 260 days without activity).

in 2010 that changed to an average of 51 days without solar activity.

so far in 2011 we have averaged 0 days without sunspot activity...

i.e solar activity is INCREASING not decreasing.

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