Topic: Divinity and Humanity
sanelunasea's photo
Fri 01/28/11 08:04 PM
It occurred to me the other day that people generally fall into one of two categories. On one hand, many people believe that the universe (including humanity) was created by the Judeo-Christian-Islamic God, a Flying Spaghetti Monster, or some other sort of divine entity. On the other hand, many people believe that all these divine entities are merely inventions or tools that were created and used by one human or groups of humans with great success to gain influence and power over another human or groups of humans. And every person in both groups is undoubtedly convinced that every person in the opposite group is wrong.

If god created man, man cannot have created god.
If man created god, god cannot have created man.

It sounds alot like a paradox, doesn't it? It may just be my years of indoctrination in double-speak, my knowledge that the Tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao, or my ability to believe that Schrödinger's cat is simultaneously alive and dead until the box is opened, but to me the following statement is not contradictory, but rather make perfect sense.

God created man. Man created god.

One event cannot have taken place without the other occurring. But that's just my observation. Thoughts?

EquusDancer's photo
Sat 01/29/11 02:30 PM
Man created god, there is no god. The gods are human constructs, archetypes, hero stories based on and built on humans of old.

IMO!

Abracadabra's photo
Sat 01/29/11 05:07 PM
If we need a creator, then so must God.

On the other hand, if God doesn't need a creator, then why should we?

Gwendolyn2009's photo
Sun 01/30/11 08:41 PM
There is no paradox.

Even IF there is a creatrix, humans still created every deity in existence. We give deities names, faces, and attributes.

vthepoet's photo
Mon 01/31/11 05:39 PM

If we need a creator, then so must God.

On the other hand, if God doesn't need a creator, then why should we?


The paradox of all things. Nothing comes from nothing.

Abracadabra's photo
Mon 01/31/11 06:24 PM


If we need a creator, then so must God.

On the other hand, if God doesn't need a creator, then why should we?


The paradox of all things. Nothing comes from nothing.


But that's just it isn't it?

What's the difference between a God coming from nothing, or a universe coming from nothing?

Both are equally paradoxical. If we assume that one is possible, then it's just as easy to assume that the other could be possible too.

So the idea that for something to come from nothing is a paradox that requires a "God" to resolve is a fallacy because the very concept of a "God" does not resolve the paradox. There would still be the paradox of how that "God" came to be.

vthepoet's photo
Mon 01/31/11 08:58 PM



If we need a creator, then so must God.

On the other hand, if God doesn't need a creator, then why should we?


The paradox of all things. Nothing comes from nothing.


But that's just it isn't it?

What's the difference between a God coming from nothing, or a universe coming from nothing?

Both are equally paradoxical. If we assume that one is possible, then it's just as easy to assume that the other could be possible too.

So the idea that for something to come from nothing is a paradox that requires a "God" to resolve is a fallacy because the very concept of a "God" does not resolve the paradox. There would still be the paradox of how that "God" came to be.


indeed, which is why i try not to think on the topic too much ;-p

sanelunasea's photo
Fri 02/04/11 01:08 AM
Edited by sanelunasea on Fri 02/04/11 01:09 AM

Man created god, there is no god.


That's a contradiction it's self. If we created divinity, how can you say it isn't real?

no photo
Fri 02/25/11 09:57 AM

I suspect that neither God or man were "created."

We manifested.