I've recognized how the Hebrews themselves have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it can't be.

Thus I don't need to assume anything.

I've recognized how the Hebrews themselves have proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that it can't be.

Thus I don't need to assume anything.

Cowboy asks...

"I know not of the word being hid from anyone. Mind you care to enlighten us on the scriptures? "

You supposedly know your scriptures...

How many times did a 'prophet' of israel stand before a king and answer questions that the kings 'astrologers' could not answer?

When those same 'astrologers' asked of those 'prophets' of israel how they had arrived at those 'answers' they were given short shrift...

Knowledge of GOD as observed by the hebrew tribes was a closely guarded secret at the time...

as far as 'enlightening' you upon your scriptures...

Enlighten yourself... You have the book.

What you get from it depends upon how open your eyes are.

Cowboy wrote:

Oh but you've shown nothing. All you've shown is your fear of the unknown. All you've shown is your fear that the bible is true. All you've shown is your obsession for living for oneself.

Fear of the unknown?

Fear that the Bible might be true?

Living for oneself?

You're losing it Cowboy.

Where did I ever even remotely imply such any such things? Clearly you've recognized the futility of your position and now you've just slipped into the absurd behavior of making false personal charges and accusations against your brothers just like the ancient Hebrews did.

I have no fear of the unknown, but clearly you do. You fear that if there is no all-knowing God then everything is unknown and you can't handle that. You can't even remotely stand the idea that atheism might be true. I'll grant you that I don't see that as being the greatest reality myself, but I don't fear it either.

Whatever will be will be Cowboy.

Fear that the Bible might be true?

Again, no. Not fear at all. Just a gross disappointment in the creator if that were indeed the case. I've already told you my choice even if the Bible turns out to be true, I would gladly choose spiritual death over worshiping the biblical God for the rest of eternity. According to you I'd get precisely what I chose anyway, so according to you there's no reason for me to fear that the bible is true. According to you humans don't even need to fear hell. I wouldn't fear hell anyway. If there exists a so-called "God" who would cast me into hell for simply not believing in the Bible then I would gladly suffer that fate rather than be in the presence of such an unrighteous God anyway.

And living for oneself? Where do you come up with that? You don't even know anything about me.

The fact is that I caught the Hebrews lying. They charged the Canaanites and Egyptians of refusing to worship God when those cultures were indeed doing their best to worship God. So they lied.

If the Bible had been the "Word" of some all-wise truly intelligent God, that God would understand the true problem here and therefore would not have made this false accusation. Therefore the biblical writings cannot be from any all-wise all-intelligent God.

The proof is in the pudding. Put the Bible on the shelf marked "Fiction" right next to Greek Mythology and move forward.

This doesn't mean that you need to give up on a "God Concept", it just means that you've recognize that you've been duped by the Hebrews and you'll need to start considering other possibilities is all.

Evidently I have far more faith in God than you do because I don't even need a fable to believe in Her.

You're losing it Cowboy.

Where did I ever even remotely imply such any such things? Clearly you've recognized the futility of your position and now you've just slipped into the absurd behavior of making false personal charges and accusations against your brothers just like the ancient Hebrews did.

I have no fear of the unknown, but clearly you do. You fear that if there is no all-knowing God then everything is unknown and you can't handle that. You can't even remotely stand the idea that atheism might be true. I'll grant you that I don't see that as being the greatest reality myself, but I don't fear it either.

The fact is that I caught the Hebrews lying. They charged the Canaanites and Egyptians of refusing to worship God when those cultures were indeed doing their best to worship God. So they lied.

Evidently I have far more faith in God than you do because I don't even need a fable to believe in Her.

Knowledge from god does NOT insinuate any form of "scripture"

Oh... and here I thought you were quoting biblical standards for why you keep shoving jesus at us...

My bad... I had no idea that god talk directly to you.

God talks to everybody. That is what your conscience is. A conscience isn't "genetic" nor is it built by your surroundings. Genetics nor scientists can really explain you "conscience" and why some have a very good one and some don't. They have many "theories" but no actual "facts". But yet even back in the days with Jesus, they explained what a conscience is.

So until you run into someone that does not buy it you speak as though the bible is the only thing that matters and Jesus it the only way...

Then when faced with solid differing belief you claim knowledge from god with no need of scripture.

I understand...

Blessing be upon you... One day you will find your path.

Jesus is the only way. There is no need for scriptures, the scriptures is on everyone's heart. That is why when people do something they aren't suppose to they feel it's wrong. It's in everyone's conscience weather they listen to it or not is another story. Again Jesus is the only way, but we all have knowledge of him, it's weather you're willing to accept it not.

Dude... Without your scriptures Jesus is not the only way... The only place it says so is in those scriptures.

A tree says it not.
A cloud says it not.
A newborn infant says it not.
A rock says it not.

yet all of these are gifts from god...

If you truly give the possibility your heat will tell you Jesus is the way.

Cowboy wrote:

They did not lie. Again if I choose to worship a box as it were a God, considering it a God in everything I do, that does NOT make it a God, nor worshiping our true one God.

Where do you get off I need a fable to believe in God? Where do you get I need anything to believe in God? Hate to tell you but I believed in God before I could read the bible. God touched me at a very young age before I even looked inside the bible.

You've just shown that you don't understand the problem.

No one ever said that if you worship a box the box would become a God.

On the contrary, if you're worshiping a box as God, you obviously have the desire and will to worship God. And you are under the belief that the box is God and therefore it would be false to accuse you of refusing to worship God.

It doesn't matter whether the box is God or not. That's totally irrelevant. Like I said before, if you're confused about what God is then only God can be responsible for that.

In fact, the biblical fables contain writings that claim that if you sincerely seek God with all your heart you will indeed find him.

CeriseRose just posted a verse along these lines:

"And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart."

Well, the Canaanites were sacrificing their babies to God. You can't search for God anymore sincerely than that. If you're willing to kill your own babies to honor God's will, that should be a sufficient display of sincerity for God to come out of hiding and reveal himself to the Canaanites, and perhaps tell them in-person that he no longer wishes for them to sacrifice their babies unto him.

Since he didn't do that, then we just see yet another example where the Bible contains a lie. No matter how sincerely you seek God he will still refuse to reveal himself to you!

So this is even giving us more proof that the Bible is false.




Your denial that you are obsessed with a specific religion is not my problem.

I too feel believed in God long before I ever heard of the Bible. I also felt a spiritual presence as a very small child. I've basically always known that I am eternal. There was never a time when I was not, and there will never be a time when I will cease to exist. I've felt that profoundly my entire life right up to the present moment.

So I feel deeply spiritual too on an intuitive level. What does that have to do with the Bible?

Absolutely nothing!

I felt that way before I was introduced to the Bible, and I still feel that way even not that I have come to realize that the Bible is clearly false.

The Bible didn't changing anything when it came into my life, and it didn't change anything when I realized that it's nothing more than mythology that has no more merit than Greek mythology.

So spiritual feelings having nothing at all to do with the Bible.

Well, the Canaanites were sacrificing their babies to God. You can't search for God anymore sincerely than that. If you're willing to kill your own babies to honor God's will, that should be a sufficient display of sincerity for God to come out of hiding and reveal himself to the Canaanites, and perhaps tell them in-person that he no longer wishes for them to sacrifice their babies unto him

Cowboy wrote:

to honor God's will? But on the contrary it wasn't God's will they did as such. God to come out of hiding? God isn't hiding it is us that turned away from God.

Well, the Canaanites were sacrificing their babies to God. You can't search for God anymore sincerely than that. If you're willing to kill your own babies to honor God's will, that should be a sufficient display of sincerity for God to come out of hiding and reveal himself to the Canaanites, and perhaps tell them in-person that he no longer wishes for them to sacrifice their babies unto him.

How do you know what God's will is?

Where do you find knowledge of the "Will of God"?

They sacrificed their babies to a searing hot idol that they worshiped, in the hopes that they would be blessed with money. They didn't sacrifice their children to God and God never asked them for human sacrifice.

How is killing children honoring God's will?

I can't figure out if you actually think what you are saying makes sense or you are just trolling Christians. smh

Spider wrote:

You deny the Bible is the word of God, because you disagree with God's actions in the Old Testament, but you have no problem thinking that it's God's will to sacrifice babies?