Topic: Now that's Rich!
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Sat 01/15/11 05:48 PM
We need to pinch pennies these days. Don’t you know we have a budget deficit? For months that has been the word from Republicans and conservative Democrats, who have rejected every suggestion that we do more to avoid deep cuts in public services and help the ailing economy.


But these same politicians are eager to cut checks averaging $3 million each to the richest 120,000 people in the country.

What — you haven’t heard about this proposal? Actually, you have: I’m talking about demands that we make all of the Bush tax cuts, not just those for the middle class, permanent.

Some background: Back in 2001, when the first set of Bush tax cuts was rammed through Congress, the legislation was written with a peculiar provision — namely, that the whole thing would expire, with tax rates reverting to 2000 levels, on the last day of 2010.

Why the cutoff date? In part, it was used to disguise the fiscal irresponsibility of the tax cuts: lopping off that last year reduced the headline cost of the cuts, because such costs are normally calculated over a 10-year period. It also allowed the Bush administration to pass the tax cuts using reconciliation — yes, the same procedure that Republicans denounced when it was used to enact health reform — while sidestepping rules designed to prevent the use of that procedure to increase long-run budget deficits.

Obviously, the idea was to go back at a later date and make those tax cuts permanent. But things didn’t go according to plan. And now the witching hour is upon us.

So what’s the choice now? The Obama administration wants to preserve those parts of the original tax cuts that mainly benefit the middle class — which is an expensive proposition in its own right — but to let those provisions benefiting only people with very high incomes expire on schedule. Republicans, with support from some conservative Democrats, want to keep the whole thing.

And there’s a real chance that Republicans will get what they want. That’s a demonstration, if anyone needed one, that our political culture has become not just dysfunctional but deeply corrupt.

What’s at stake here? According to the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, making all of the Bush tax cuts permanent, as opposed to following the Obama proposal, would cost the federal government $680 billion in revenue over the next 10 years. For the sake of comparison, it took months of hard negotiations to get Congressional approval for a mere $26 billion in desperately needed aid to state and local governments.

And where would this $680 billion go? Nearly all of it would go to the richest 1 percent of Americans, people with incomes of more than $500,000 a year. But that’s the least of it: the policy center’s estimates say that the majority of the tax cuts would go to the richest one-tenth of 1 percent. Take a group of 1,000 randomly selected Americans, and pick the one with the highest income; he’s going to get the majority of that group’s tax break. And the average tax break for those lucky few — the poorest members of the group have annual incomes of more than $2 million, and the average member makes more than $7 million a year — would be $3 million over the course of the next decade.

How can this kind of giveaway be justified at a time when politicians claim to care about budget deficits? Well, history is repeating itself. The original campaign for the Bush tax cuts relied on deception and dishonesty. In fact, my first suspicions that we were being misled into invading Iraq were based on the resemblance between the campaign for war and the campaign for tax cuts the previous year. And sure enough, that same trademark deception and dishonesty is being deployed on behalf of tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans.

So, for example, we’re told that it’s all about helping small business; but only a tiny fraction of small-business owners would receive any tax break at all. And how many small-business owners do you know making several million a year?

Or we’re told that it’s about helping the economy recover. But it’s hard to think of a less cost-effective way to help the economy than giving money to people who already have plenty, and aren’t likely to spend a windfall.

No, this has nothing to do with sound economic policy. Instead, as I said, it’s about a dysfunctional and corrupt political culture, in which Congress won’t take action to revive the economy, pleads poverty when it comes to protecting the jobs of schoolteachers and firefighters, but declares cost no object when it comes to sparing the already wealthy even the slightest financial inconvenience.

So far, the Obama administration is standing firm against this outrage. Let’s hope that it prevails in its fight. Otherwise, it will be hard not to lose all faith in America’s future.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/23/opinion/23krugman.html?_r=1

Fanta46's photo
Sat 01/15/11 05:52 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 01/15/11 05:54 PM
Of course he had to negotiate just to get the Repubs to extend the unemployment benefits to the unemployed Americans.

Obama stood up for the middle class and the Repubs stood up for their paychecks/ugh rich friends.
In the meantime making hypocrites of them selves,but what do they care.

They got their paychecks and they had FOX news to channel the propaganda they needed to fool thousands into believing they care.

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Sat 01/15/11 05:57 PM
You do know that Obama approved them again for 2 years all of them.?

I was so pissed.

And those damn Repubs who claim to be trying to lower the deficit voted for the damn thing again too.

So I guess the deficit is a campaigning rhetoric but if it comes to making the richer pay a bit more f u c k the deficit.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 01/15/11 06:01 PM
Edited by Fanta46 on Sat 01/15/11 06:02 PM

You do know that Obama approved them again for 2 years all of them.?

I was so pissed.

And those damn Repubs who claim to be trying to lower the deficit voted for the damn thing again too.

So I guess the deficit is a campaigning rhetoric but if it comes to making the richer pay a bit more f u c k the deficit.


He did it to get the benefits extended. Without the extension of the tax-cuts the Repubs were set to vote no. It was either negotiate or get nothing.

Dragoness's photo
Sat 01/15/11 06:07 PM
I do know that too.

Fanta46's photo
Sat 01/15/11 06:08 PM
Extending the benefits was the best possible thing to aide the economy.

Dragoness's photo
Sat 01/15/11 06:13 PM
The growing deficit was all we heard about and repealing (not)healthcare during the elections.

That is what got the Republicans in office and it is ******** yet again.

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Sat 01/15/11 06:31 PM
That's just what the Repubs want Americans to think.
They had success in the mid terms because a large portion of Dems were complacent and didn't vote, while the right managed to actively infuriate their half.

From everything I've read 68% of America was dissatisfied with the HC bill because it didn't include a public option. Not because it passed. They just thought it didn't go far enough.

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Sat 01/15/11 06:53 PM
I was disappointed too that the HC bill didn't do what Obama envisioned for this country.

Again the Repubs screamed at the cost of the Healthcare but they couldn't not give the rich those damn tax breaks.

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Sat 01/15/11 07:14 PM
Edited by Bestinshow on Sat 01/15/11 07:15 PM

I was disappointed too that the HC bill didn't do what Obama envisioned for this country.

Again the Repubs screamed at the cost of the Healthcare but they couldn't not give the rich those damn tax breaks.
They also howl about the defecit but cant give up those tax breaks for the rich. They would rather cut grammies social security than have a progresive tax rate. Like the one they had in the 1950's

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Sat 01/15/11 11:45 PM


I was disappointed too that the HC bill didn't do what Obama envisioned for this country.

Again the Repubs screamed at the cost of the Healthcare but they couldn't not give the rich those damn tax breaks.
They also howl about the defecit but cant give up those tax breaks for the rich. They would rather cut grammies social security than have a progresive tax rate. Like the one they had in the 1950's


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Sun 01/16/11 06:45 AM



I was disappointed too that the HC bill didn't do what Obama envisioned for this country.

Again the Repubs screamed at the cost of the Healthcare but they couldn't not give the rich those damn tax breaks.
They also howl about the defecit but cant give up those tax breaks for the rich. They would rather cut grammies social security than have a progresive tax rate. Like the one they had in the 1950's


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Seriously that old crazy republican Mccain cant even remember how many homes he owns. He needs a tax break!

McCain said in an interview with Politico on Wednesday "that he was uncertain how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own."

"I think -- I'll have my staff get to you," McCain said. "It's condominiums where -- I'll have them get to you."

The answer, according to the group Progressive Accountability, is an even 10 homes, ranches, condos, and lofts, together worth a combined estimated $13,823,269.

John and Cindy McCain own a plethora of houses spread throughout the United States, including: two beachfront condos in Coronado, California, condo in La Jolla, California, a two-unit condominium complex in Phoenix, Arizona, three ranch houses located outside of Sedona, Arizona, a high-rise condo in Arlington, Virginia, a rental loft, and, according to GQ, a loft they bought for their daughter, Meghan.

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Mon 01/24/11 11:15 PM
John McCain doesn't even buy his own gas.