Topic: The Gift of Heaven ...a gift or a gag
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Fri 10/29/10 08:15 AM





first they will be raised from the graves as Zombies


This is just yet another reason to dismiss the biblical fables. These fables require that physical bodies be raised from their graves in order for souls to ascend to heaven.

Jesus supposedly physically rose from his grave and his physical body then ascended to heaven.

Here Matthew speaks of many saints being risen from their graves as zombies at the time of the supposed resurrection of Jesus.


Matthew 27:

[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;
[52] And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
[53] And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


Notice several things in the writings of Matthew here.

First, Jesus cried out in a loud voice and then "yielded up the ghost". In other words, he died, or his spirit left his body. That's what Matthew was attempting to say here.

But then he writes about the earth quaking and rocks renting and graves are physically open, and out of the graves came the bodies of saints which slept but now have arisen.

There's all manner of problems with this line of thinking. For one thing, spirits (or souls) would need to remain with a physical carcass until they are physically removed from their burial site. Which would required the opening of the graves.

These physical bodies are then transferred to heaven to be repaired, rejuvenated or, possibly have the spirits or souls detached from them there? Who knows? It's a silly myth.

Also, this begs the question of what happens to those people who were cremated or otherwise had their bodies destroyed beyond any recognizable physical form? Are their spirits or souls destroyed in that process?

I think MOST PEOPLE visualize an invisible soul or spirit simply leaving a body at the moment it dies. Just like even Matthew himself describe Jesus as having "Yielded up the Ghost"

Matthew is not the only one who thought like this:


Ezek.37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.


This is just the superstitious way that people thought back then. They believed that the soul is locked in the body until some God comes along and retrieve's it.

If there is any truth to spirituality at all, the most likely truth is that the spirit leaves the body at the time of death.

So these ancient fables written by these Israelites are clearly just the imagination of men. They're man-made mythologies. The Bible is a collection of myths and fables made up by men. And yes, these myths and superstitions were indeed written about their lifetimes, and thus they would still contain some historical truths. For example, an actual man named "Jesus" or whatever, probably did have a ministry of love and was wrongfully crucified, etc., etc., etc.

But that doesn't automatically make every single rumor that came out of that episode true.


if God is omnipotent then he clearly has the power to allow people to inherit Heaven without first having to kill them....the fact that God deem that no physical bodies can inherit Heaven only stands to show how God himself have rituals and a religion that he follows and therefore more than likely worship a God higher than himself


How does that show as such? Our bodies are merely temples housing the holy spirit inside of us. So why would our bodies need to be in heaven for heaven would then be the holding place of our holy spirits.


a spirit in a temple of flesh can never be holy ...funches 3:16

also if God is omnipotent he can just bring you to Heaven without killing you, but like a trickster he tells you that you have to perform rituals to get into Heaven...to make one shed their physical body is the way to rid them of their last ounce of humanity because there is no need for humanity or compassion or any of the human emotions once in Heaven ..


Oh but the only reward for sin is death. And no there are no rituals we have to do to get into heaven, no voodoo or anything of such. People passing away on earth is only referred to as death for the atheists people as not to offend them. When our bodies pass away on earth, that is not dying my friend. That is merely leaving this earth to be prepared for judgement.

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Fri 10/29/10 08:17 AM


I don't understand the attraction of an eternity of "Worshiping the Holy Father." I mean a time spent 24/7/365 (yes, I know time doesn't apply) doing nothing but singing hymns of praise and prostligating yourself before the Lord. It sounds like slavery to me. After living an entire life on earth having free will and the ability to make choices for yourself to end up with the promise of a life of servitude sounds, well, like a rip off.


"Free Will" is for humans not spirits ...in Heaven you will no longer be human and even so there is no room for "Free Will" ..you simply can not disobey God or break any of the rules or you will be tossed out of Heaven as Adam and Eve can attest to ...so yes Heaven will be a dictatorship consisting of slaves that can do nothing more than to find ways to praise and serve the one in charge


Not particularly no. We will still have free will, tis what Satan was thrown out of heaven for, using his free will to profess to be greater then our father. And no we won't be tossed out for disobeying our father, yes if we continuously do it. Satan wouldn't cease professing to be greater then our father, therefore there was nothing to be forgiven for cause he wasn't seeking it.

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Fri 10/29/10 09:23 AM

Oh but the only reward for sin is death.


right...your reward for sinning is death...this explains why you and the other ghosts will have no physical bodies in Heaven because you all are dead


And no there are no rituals we have to do to get into heaven,


yes there are...first you have to be killed, then you must be ressurected then you must shed your physical body


no voodoo or anything of such.


those that are raised from the dead are called Zombies so yes this is considered to be voodoo


People passing away on earth is only referred to as death for the atheists people as not to offend them.


sorry but in case no one told you..when the life elapse from a human body it is called Death doesn't matter if you are religious an atheist or an alien...it's death ...to say that it isn't is to then claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross and in doing so denounce Christianity


When our bodies pass away on earth, that is not dying my friend.


I'm pretty sure it states that on everyone's Death Certificate


That is merely leaving this earth to be prepared for judgement.


that you have to be prepare points to God performing religious rituals to appease his God

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Fri 10/29/10 09:29 AM

Oh but the only reward for sin is death.


But it's a sin to not believe that the bigoted male-chauvinistic Hebrew pigs speak for God!

How you can support such a disgusting mythology is truly beyond me.

And all the while acting as though it has some sort of 'righteousness' associated with it. whoa

The only reward for believing in the Bible is that it turns decent people into religiously bigoted monsters.

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Fri 10/29/10 09:37 AM
Someone posted a quote somewhere once, it read something like the following:

"Bad people will do evil things, but it takes religion to get good people to support evil things."

The Bible is evil. It's hateful male-chauvinistic religious bigotry.

It is truly unfortunate that so many good people support such a hateful and evil mythology.

If they could only wake-up to the wisdom of some of the Eastern Mystical philosophies they could preach all the moral values that they love and cherish (the things like liked about Jesus, including everlasting life), but they would no longer have any need to support the violence and hatred of religious bigotry and a selfish egotistical jealous God who will only love people if they support and conform to this very same negative religious bigotry.

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Fri 10/29/10 09:52 AM

72 virgins has nothing to do with Christianity.You are talking about Islam and 72 virgins is a reward for killing people and yourself through terrorism.


so the Oklahoma city bomber Timothy McVeigh won't get 72 virgins when he gets to Heaven because when he blew up the people he was a christian at the time and not a muslim?....seems kind of unfair

also didn't Mohammad come not to change the laws of Jesus but to full-fill them

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Fri 10/29/10 10:01 AM

What do muslims do after a week or two when there are no virgins left?


a ghost's dead tallywhacker can pass through a ghost's dead hymen but not rupture it ...which mean they will forever be virgins

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Fri 10/29/10 10:44 AM


Oh but the only reward for sin is death.


right...your reward for sinning is death...this explains why you and the other ghosts will have no physical bodies in Heaven because you all are dead


And no there are no rituals we have to do to get into heaven,


yes there are...first you have to be killed, then you must be ressurected then you must shed your physical body


no voodoo or anything of such.


those that are raised from the dead are called Zombies so yes this is considered to be voodoo


People passing away on earth is only referred to as death for the atheists people as not to offend them.


sorry but in case no one told you..when the life elapse from a human body it is called Death doesn't matter if you are religious an atheist or an alien...it's death ...to say that it isn't is to then claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross and in doing so denounce Christianity


When our bodies pass away on earth, that is not dying my friend.


I'm pretty sure it states that on everyone's Death Certificate


That is merely leaving this earth to be prepared for judgement.


that you have to be prepare points to God performing religious rituals to appease his God


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right...your reward for sinning is death...this explains why you and the other ghosts will have no physical bodies in Heaven because you all are dead
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Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance.
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yes there are...first you have to be killed, then you must be ressurected then you must shed your physical body
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That is not a ritual my friend. For if it were a ritual it would be something we did on purpose. And if we take our own lives there will be no reward for us in heaven.
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sorry but in case no one told you..when the life elapse from a human body it is called Death doesn't matter if you are religious an atheist or an alien...it's death ...to say that it isn't is to then claim that Jesus didn't die on the cross and in doing so denounce Christianity
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Jesus didn't "die* on the cross. He gave his entire life teaching us the laws of our father. He went through the physical and emotional pain to do as such. In the end the people he was sent to save hung him on a cross and crucified him. If Jesus wouldn't have come to earth he would never had to have felt that pain. That is where the sacrifice is. He sacrificed himself to go through the pain he didn't have to so that we may receive salvation.
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I'm pretty sure it states that on everyone's Death Certificate
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And death certificates are secular objects.
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Fri 10/29/10 11:16 AM

Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance.


and as I pointed out..first you will be raised from the dead in a physical body the practice is called Zombieism and then you will be striped from that body into a ghost because according to the bible flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God

Cor. 15:50-56
that “flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven







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Fri 10/29/10 11:20 AM

Jesus didn't "die* on the cross. He gave his entire life teaching us the laws of our father. He went through the physical and emotional pain to do as such. In the end the people he was sent to save hung him on a cross and crucified him. If Jesus wouldn't have come to earth he would never had to have felt that pain. That is where the sacrifice is. He sacrificed himself to go through the pain he didn't have to so that we may receive salvation.


if Jesus didn't "die" on the cross then Christianity is based on lies ....if Jesus did die on the cross then you are giving false testimony that denounce the christian faith

according to the bible it's clear that it's you that is once again giving false testimony


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Fri 10/29/10 11:21 AM

I'm pretty sure it states that on everyone's Death Certificate
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And death certificates are secular objects.
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so is the bible

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Fri 10/29/10 11:26 AM
wanna go to sleep

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Fri 10/29/10 12:10 PM
Edited by funches on Fri 10/29/10 12:12 PM

wanna go to sleep


in religious terminology "wanna go to sleep" means "wanna to pass away"

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Fri 10/29/10 01:19 PM


Jesus didn't "die* on the cross. He gave his entire life teaching us the laws of our father. He went through the physical and emotional pain to do as such. In the end the people he was sent to save hung him on a cross and crucified him. If Jesus wouldn't have come to earth he would never had to have felt that pain. That is where the sacrifice is. He sacrificed himself to go through the pain he didn't have to so that we may receive salvation.


if Jesus didn't "die" on the cross then Christianity is based on lies ....if Jesus did die on the cross then you are giving false testimony that denounce the christian faith

according to the bible it's clear that it's you that is once again giving false testimony




No that doesn't mean Christianity is a lie. To be given for sins we are instructed to sacrifice something to sincerely show our regret. Actions speak louder then words if you will. Jesus' sacrifice AGAIN, was him coming to earth to feel the physical and emotional pain of earth. Physical pain of being crucified and emotional pain seeing the people of this world do this to him. Jesus didn't HAVE to do that. That's when the sacrifice comes in, he sacrificed being put through this pain to save our souls.

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Fri 10/29/10 01:21 PM


I'm pretty sure it states that on everyone's Death Certificate
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And death certificates are secular objects.
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so is the bible


Yes the bible is a secular object. The bible is only as precious as the paper it's written on. It's not the book that's important, it's the words written inside the bible that is important. The message and instructions therein, which is not secular.

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Fri 10/29/10 01:25 PM


Death on earth is merely a secular term. We won't be ghosts, as i've shown before, we will receive a rejuvenated body. A new body free of disease or any other foul substance.


and as I pointed out..first you will be raised from the dead in a physical body the practice is called Zombieism and then you will be striped from that body into a ghost because according to the bible flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God

Cor. 15:50-56
that “flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven









Try to not take verses out of context and you might understand what is being said.


1 Corinthians 15:50-56

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

As you see our bodies will be made perfect and incorruptible. So therefore we will still have flesh in heaven, just will be perfect rather then the bodies we have now which are able to get sick, feel pain, and much more foul things.

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Fri 10/29/10 03:53 PM



Jesus didn't "die* on the cross. He gave his entire life teaching us the laws of our father. He went through the physical and emotional pain to do as such. In the end the people he was sent to save hung him on a cross and crucified him. If Jesus wouldn't have come to earth he would never had to have felt that pain. That is where the sacrifice is. He sacrificed himself to go through the pain he didn't have to so that we may receive salvation.


if Jesus didn't "die" on the cross then Christianity is based on lies ....if Jesus did die on the cross then you are giving false testimony that denounce the christian faith

according to the bible it's clear that it's you that is once again giving false testimony




No that doesn't mean Christianity is a lie. To be given for sins we are instructed to sacrifice something to sincerely show our regret. Actions speak louder then words if you will. Jesus' sacrifice AGAIN, was him coming to earth to feel the physical and emotional pain of earth. Physical pain of being crucified and emotional pain seeing the people of this world do this to him. Jesus didn't HAVE to do that. That's when the sacrifice comes in, he sacrificed being put through this pain to save our souls.


Cowboy....did Jesus die on the cross or not?

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Fri 10/29/10 09:32 PM




Jesus didn't "die* on the cross. He gave his entire life teaching us the laws of our father. He went through the physical and emotional pain to do as such. In the end the people he was sent to save hung him on a cross and crucified him. If Jesus wouldn't have come to earth he would never had to have felt that pain. That is where the sacrifice is. He sacrificed himself to go through the pain he didn't have to so that we may receive salvation.


if Jesus didn't "die" on the cross then Christianity is based on lies ....if Jesus did die on the cross then you are giving false testimony that denounce the christian faith

according to the bible it's clear that it's you that is once again giving false testimony




No that doesn't mean Christianity is a lie. To be given for sins we are instructed to sacrifice something to sincerely show our regret. Actions speak louder then words if you will. Jesus' sacrifice AGAIN, was him coming to earth to feel the physical and emotional pain of earth. Physical pain of being crucified and emotional pain seeing the people of this world do this to him. Jesus didn't HAVE to do that. That's when the sacrifice comes in, he sacrificed being put through this pain to save our souls.


Cowboy....did Jesus die on the cross or not?


Yes Jesus died on the cross for you. But he was also resurrected. Yes the only way to die is not receiving the gift of heaven, but Jesus was resurrected. He did not remain dead. And through Jesus the believers/followers of the law will be resurrected just the same.

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Sat 10/30/10 05:19 AM
posted by Cowboy
Yes Jesus died on the cross for you.


posted by Cowboy:
Jesus didn't "die* on the cross.



Cowboy .....your posts have more contradictions in them than the bible.....it's almost as if you are three different Cowboys that know not what the other Cowboys say ...you must have "Trinity Syndrome"

but anyway just in case this is so let's get it on record ....
is it
(Cowboy 1) that believes that Jesus didn't die on the cross
and
(Cowboy 2) that believe that Jesus did die on the cross

now I'm speaking to Cowboy 3 ...can you take a stand and place it on record so we no longer have to bring this subject up again and reveal what really happen to Jesus...

so Cowboy 3...... did Jesus die on the cross? ...yes or no?

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Sat 10/30/10 10:09 AM

posted by Cowboy
Yes Jesus died on the cross for you.


posted by Cowboy:
Jesus didn't "die* on the cross.



Cowboy .....your posts have more contradictions in them than the bible.....it's almost as if you are three different Cowboys that know not what the other Cowboys say ...you must have "Trinity Syndrome"

but anyway just in case this is so let's get it on record ....
is it
(Cowboy 1) that believes that Jesus didn't die on the cross
and
(Cowboy 2) that believe that Jesus did die on the cross

now I'm speaking to Cowboy 3 ...can you take a stand and place it on record so we no longer have to bring this subject up again and reveal what really happen to Jesus...

so Cowboy 3...... did Jesus die on the cross? ...yes or no?


When I said Jesus didn't die on the cross originally, it was because i didn't know of a way to explain, the words weren't coming to me. So i used a scapegoat and just said he did not die, for this I apologize. But yes Jesus died the death so you would not have to.