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Topic: Guns
Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Sat 10/30/10 10:33 AM
So my question to everyone who opposes guns is this: Why do you want women to be raped and people to be murdered, robbed or assaulted? Show me where any of this has stopped since gun ownership has become more open? It hasn't stopped, but it's less common. I quoted the average statistical drop in a previous post. I support policies that 1) are constitutional and 2) result in fewer crimes. If you support gun control or bans, you have to explain why you support policies that are 1) Unconstitutional and 2) result in more crimes. I'd like to know if there's been a drop due to guns, or if, more then likely, women aren't reporting them anymore. After all, if the laws aren't helping the victim, then why bother. I actually have no problem with guns. I disagree with concealed, I think its idiotic. When the states go to visible holsters, I might get one myself. So...you think it's possible that after a state legalizes CC, people stop reporting crimes so often? I guess that's possible, but it is so much MUCH more likely that fewer crimes are committed because people are afraid of being shot. You ever heard the saying "just because A came before B doesn't mean A caused B?"

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Sat 10/30/10 10:38 AM
A gun like fire is a tool of man for benefit or destruction. Like fire it is regulated. The issue is only the degree of regulation. There is no cut and dried correct answer to the question of how much regulation is necessary or desirable. Thus the debate. I disagree with that analogy. Fire cooks food, provides light and warmth. These are totally non destructive things. What non destructive things do guns do? Guns offer protection, make warning sounds and can be used for any number of desirable uses. Shooting down mistletoe, hunt food, scare off a bear, herd animals or self defense. Fire always destroys something else to make warmth or light or cook food. Sometimes it destroys the food. So the analogy is still spot on. Still disagree. In the definition of a gun is the word weapon. It was created as a tool of destruction while fire is just a force of nature that can sustain life or destroy it. Man as a species probably would have died off without "discovering" fire. We would have still made it if we didn't "invent" the gun.

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Sat 10/30/10 11:01 AM Edited by AlphaRebel on Sat 10/30/10 11:02 AM
A gun like fire is a tool of man for benefit or destruction. Like fire it is regulated. The issue is only the degree of regulation. There is no cut and dried correct answer to the question of how much regulation is necessary or desirable. Thus the debate. I disagree with that analogy. Fire cooks food, provides light and warmth. These are totally non destructive things. What non destructive things do guns do? Guns offer protection, make warning sounds and can be used for any number of desirable uses. Shooting down mistletoe, hunt food, scare off a bear, herd animals or self defense. Fire always destroys something else to make warmth or light or cook food. Sometimes it destroys the food. So the analogy is still spot on. Still disagree. In the definition of a gun is the word weapon. It was created as a tool of destruction while fire is just a force of nature that can sustain life or destroy it. Man as a species probably would have died off without "discovering" fire. We would have still made it if we didn't "invent" the gun. The invention of gun powder is the only thing that saved us from domination by hostile and ruthless forces of oppression like socialism and it's cousin, communism. Check your history book oh defiant one. When the enemy moves in to take over they don't use diplomacy. They use force!

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 10/30/10 12:21 PM
look its to late to ban guns, there are to many people in this country that have guns that shouldnt.and this "law abiding citizen" owning a gun is BS cause they can snap and go postal and kill more people in a matter of minutes,than a serial killer kills in years.so basically you need to protect yourself against anyone,not just criminals

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Sat 10/30/10 12:40 PM
look its to late to ban guns, there are to many people in this country that have guns that shouldnt.and this "law abiding citizen" owning a gun is BS cause they can snap and go postal and kill more people in a matter of minutes,than a serial killer kills in years.so basically you need to protect yourself against anyone,not just criminals I suppose we could "what if" all day long. The bottom line is that good people own guns to protect themselves from anyone who would endeavor to do them harm. You can define good anyway you like.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 10/30/10 12:45 PM
look its to late to ban guns, there are to many people in this country that have guns that shouldnt.and this "law abiding citizen" owning a gun is BS cause they can snap and go postal and kill more people in a matter of minutes,than a serial killer kills in years.so basically you need to protect yourself against anyone,not just criminals I suppose we could "what if" all day long. The bottom line is that good people own guns to protect themselves from anyone who would endeavor to do them harm. You can define good anyway you like. this is off topic but thats a nice snook you caught,yes i perved your profile but in a nongay way

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sat 10/30/10 06:43 PM
A gun like fire is a tool of man for benefit or destruction. Like fire it is regulated. The issue is only the degree of regulation. There is no cut and dried correct answer to the question of how much regulation is necessary or desirable. Thus the debate. I disagree with that analogy. Fire cooks food, provides light and warmth. These are totally non destructive things. What non destructive things do guns do? Guns offer protection, make warning sounds and can be used for any number of desirable uses. Shooting down mistletoe, hunt food, scare off a bear, herd animals or self defense. Fire always destroys something else to make warmth or light or cook food. Sometimes it destroys the food. So the analogy is still spot on. Still disagree. In the definition of a gun is the word weapon. It was created as a tool of destruction while fire is just a force of nature that can sustain life or destroy it. Man as a species probably would have died off without "discovering" fire. We would have still made it if we didn't "invent" the gun. More people have probably died due to fire than guns. From atiquity fire was used as a weapon to burn villages, boats, food crops, property and people. A lot of people would have died if they did not have guns for self defense or hunting. Guns and fire both weapons both tools.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 10/30/10 06:53 PM Edited by Dragoness on Sat 10/30/10 06:54 PM
Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my gun. Of course Teddy's gone so his car can do no more harm. Unfortunately there are many more gun grabbing politicians in his stead with their sites on the guns of honest Americans like myself. I think my Uncle Charlie said it right and I concur; "From my cold dead hands!" We have so many (pardon the expression) ignorant folks that carry guns in this country, it does give us a bad name and makes it dangerous for everyone else. If prying it from cold dead fingers is necessary I am sure that it can be done, that doesn't show any more intelligence than the crazies who shoot up everyone with their cold fingers on triggers.

Dragoness Joined Wed 10/17/07 Posts: 23320	Sat 10/30/10 06:59 PM
A gun like fire is a tool of man for benefit or destruction. Like fire it is regulated. The issue is only the degree of regulation. There is no cut and dried correct answer to the question of how much regulation is necessary or desirable. Thus the debate. I disagree with that analogy. Fire cooks food, provides light and warmth. These are totally non destructive things. What non destructive things do guns do? Guns offer protection, make warning sounds and can be used for any number of desirable uses. Shooting down mistletoe, hunt food, scare off a bear, herd animals or self defense. Fire always destroys something else to make warmth or light or cook food. Sometimes it destroys the food. So the analogy is still spot on. Still disagree. In the definition of a gun is the word weapon. It was created as a tool of destruction while fire is just a force of nature that can sustain life or destroy it. Man as a species probably would have died off without "discovering" fire. We would have still made it if we didn't "invent" the gun. More people have probably died due to fire than guns. From atiquity fire was used as a weapon to burn villages, boats, food crops, property and people. A lot of people would have died if they did not have guns for self defense or hunting. Guns and fire both weapons both tools. The amount of people saved from hunting or self defense is not proven nor are their any statistics to show it. We do lots of prevention to prevent fire from killing humans we need to do more to prevent humans with guns from killing more humans. I don't believe in banning them but I believe that the testing for carrying should be extensive and done by a psychiatrist. We have far too many loonies on the streets with guns who never save themselves or anyone else with the gun but sure will get angry and threaten or worse with it in illegal ways.

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 10/30/10 07:46 PM
dragoness please don't shoot them

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Sat 10/30/10 07:48 PM Edited by Chazster on Sat 10/30/10 07:53 PM
A gun like fire is a tool of man for benefit or destruction. Like fire it is regulated. The issue is only the degree of regulation. There is no cut and dried correct answer to the question of how much regulation is necessary or desirable. Thus the debate. I disagree with that analogy. Fire cooks food, provides light and warmth. These are totally non destructive things. What non destructive things do guns do? Guns offer protection, make warning sounds and can be used for any number of desirable uses. Shooting down mistletoe, hunt food, scare off a bear, herd animals or self defense. Fire always destroys something else to make warmth or light or cook food. Sometimes it destroys the food. So the analogy is still spot on. Still disagree. In the definition of a gun is the word weapon. It was created as a tool of destruction while fire is just a force of nature that can sustain life or destroy it. Man as a species probably would have died off without "discovering" fire. We would have still made it if we didn't "invent" the gun. The invention of gun powder is the only thing that saved us from domination by hostile and ruthless forces of oppression like socialism and it's cousin, communism. Check your history book oh defiant one. When the enemy moves in to take over they don't use diplomacy. They use force! How do these forces hold power? With guns. Still a destructive force. It is still a weapon and nothing like fire. So I still disagree. You need to read my posts better. I am not saying guns or wrong or bad. They are only a tool. I am saying I just don't agree with his analogy and I am entitled to my opinion.

Chazster Joined Tue 08/28/07 Posts: 6206	Sat 10/30/10 07:57 PM
More people have probably died due to fire than guns. From atiquity fire was used as a weapon to burn villages, boats, food crops, property and people. A lot of people would have died if they did not have guns for self defense or hunting. Guns and fire both weapons both tools. Yes fire can be "used" as a weapon as can just about anything, but a gun "is" a weapon. That was the purpose of its invention and that is its primary function.

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sat 10/30/10 08:52 PM
More people have probably died due to fire than guns. From atiquity fire was used as a weapon to burn villages, boats, food crops, property and people. A lot of people would have died if they did not have guns for self defense or hunting. Guns and fire both weapons both tools. Yes fire can be "used" as a weapon as can just about anything, but a gun "is" a weapon. That was the purpose of its invention and that is its primary function. There are guns in my home and they are used every week target shooting and in hunting during season.......probably have approx. 15 different guns and ammo......but I feel safe......and I have reason to not feel safe esp. Right now and am glad they are here....but I practice archery as well...but. have protected my self with my hands against a man punched him in the gut knocked the air out of him then punched him in the gonads and ran got away just because you have a gun or don't have a gun knowing how to protect yourself is important and a frying pan a lamp baseball bat or many other things could be used as a weapon....in any manner if it is the path chosen

RKISIT Joined Tue 01/08/08 Posts: 16721	Sat 10/30/10 08:56 PM
i just always hope when i shoot i pulled out quick enough

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Sat 10/30/10 09:52 PM
moving to Oregon in April of this year I noticed i hardly ever seen crime on tv or newspaper always little petty stuff.. Talk with women from Eugene who said they walk thier dog in the park at 2 am sometimes and never a second thought. i have been not even losking my house or car anymore and i have asked several people besides Portland its like thier is no crime.. I get the same answer everytime. Everybodies packing and the criminals know this. I know from where io was from in Missouri a town of 10000 when i stayed in the Bend area which the tv station and paper covers 150+ thousand thier was less crime than what i was seeing in Missouri in a town of 10000. Mo. does have conceal and carry permits now but thats pretty recent. I have heard of 1 fued over land out here the property line the paper said the fued had been going on for years between these 2 that 1 pulled his gun and shot the other and is claiming self defence but he shot him 3 times then left him in a ditch. just from what i c here i think people carrying guns on them seems to be a good deterent to criminals to watch out

LilOlMeFromSD Joined Sat 01/10/09 Posts: 983	Sat 10/30/10 10:44 PM
So, if gun owners were forced to take a psych. evaluation prior to being given a permit, would those who are against gun ownership be inclined to change their views?

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Sun 10/31/10 03:02 AM
So, if gun owners were forced to take a psych. evaluation prior to being given a permit, would those who are against gun ownership be inclined to change their views? Then it becomes like mail order viagra. Call up the ammo psychiatrist residing in Zimbabwe or Aurangabad and receive your plain brown paper wrapped parcel discreetly delivered to your residence. Might be counterfeit.

AlphaRebel Joined Thu 11/12/09 Posts: 246	Sun 10/31/10 05:32 AM
More people have probably died due to fire than guns. From atiquity fire was used as a weapon to burn villages, boats, food crops, property and people. A lot of people would have died if they did not have guns for self defense or hunting. Guns and fire both weapons both tools. Yes fire can be "used" as a weapon as can just about anything, but a gun "is" a weapon. That was the purpose of its invention and that is its primary function. There are guns in my home and they are used every week target shooting and in hunting during season.......probably have approx. 15 different guns and ammo......but I feel safe......and I have reason to not feel safe esp. Right now and am glad they are here....but I practice archery as well...but. have protected my self with my hands against a man punched him in the gut knocked the air out of him then punched him in the gonads and ran got away just because you have a gun or don't have a gun knowing how to protect yourself is important and a frying pan a lamp baseball bat or many other things could be used as a weapon....in any manner if it is the path chosen My best friend and his family live in Missoula, Montana. He recently sent me some stats obtained from local sources, check this; The "average" number of firearms in the home of a Missoula resident is 34. Home invasions in this town since 2008 - Zero. Also, whereas we can obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon here in Georgia where I live, in Missoula they carry regularly their in clear view of one another in public. Check the violent crime and murder stats in Missoula, Mt. LOL!!! These people respect one another and there is peace!

Seakolony Joined Fri 11/07/08 Posts: 11968	Sun 10/31/10 06:21 AM Edited by Seakolony on Sun 10/31/10 06:23 AM
More people have probably died due to fire than guns. From atiquity fire was used as a weapon to burn villages, boats, food crops, property and people. A lot of people would have died if they did not have guns for self defense or hunting. Guns and fire both weapons both tools. Yes fire can be "used" as a weapon as can just about anything, but a gun "is" a weapon. That was the purpose of its invention and that is its primary function. There are guns in my home and they are used every week target shooting and in hunting during season.......probably have approx. 15 different guns and ammo......but I feel safe......and I have reason to not feel safe esp. Right now and am glad they are here....but I practice archery as well...but. have protected my self with my hands against a man punched him in the gut knocked the air out of him then punched him in the gonads and ran got away just because you have a gun or don't have a gun knowing how to protect yourself is important and a frying pan a lamp baseball bat or many other things could be used as a weapon....in any manner if it is the path chosen My best friend and his family live in Missoula, Montana. He recently sent me some stats obtained from local sources, check this; The "average" number of firearms in the home of a Missoula resident is 34. Home invasions in this town since 2008 - Zero. Also, whereas we can obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon here in Georgia where I live, in Missoula they carry regularly their in clear view of one another in public. Check the violent crime and murder stats in Missoula, Mt. LOL!!! These people respect one another and there is peace! Have been trying to get back down south to my home state of Florida.......trying to get away from physical abuse recently realized against my son by my parents......and mental abuse upon....I put up with it until I found my son with a busted mouth bcs he wouldn't do his homework was ready to leave the fifth until my son had a seizure and stated he didn't feel safe with his nana and pop.....hospital sent it to DFS.......MY DAD IS A BIG MAN and has physically attacked me as well as my mother.....they won't give me my sons things and have been calling the police to get daily meds bcs they threaten me everytime.....will not carry a gun on their property though.....am very scared I have to say and bcs they filed for guardianship cannot file a pfa.....but do have cooperation from the local sherriff in my town...also handed over pics of his mouth I took after they left evidence....kody stated they hit him in the head which doesn't leave bruises like the rest of your body....he is an epileptic and mebntal trainable.....their behavior when I went like they asked I had to lock my car doors and leave....oh yeah his teacher doesn't give him homework nor does she want him doing it as she says he works very hard at home....

willing2 Joined Sun 06/08/08 Posts: 20221	Sun 10/31/10 07:40 AM
Have been trying to get back down south to my home state of Florida.......trying to get away from physical abuse recently realized against my son by my parents......and mental abuse upon....I put up with it until I found my son with a busted mouth bcs he wouldn't do his homework was ready to leave the fifth until my son had a seizure and stated he didn't feel safe with his nana and pop.....hospital sent it to DFS.......MY DAD IS A BIG MAN and has physically attacked me as well as my mother.....they won't give me my sons things and have been calling the police to get daily meds bcs they threaten me everytime.....will not carry a gun on their property though.....am very scared I have to say and bcs they filed for guardianship cannot file a pfa.....but do have cooperation from the local sherriff in my town...also handed over pics of his mouth I took after they left evidence....kody stated they hit him in the head which doesn't leave bruises like the rest of your body....he is an epileptic and mebntal trainable.....their behavior when I went like they asked I had to lock my car doors and leave....oh yeah his teacher doesn't give him homework nor does she want him doing it as she says he works very hard at home.... Really pissses me off someone is hurting your child. Really sad DHS won't do anything. Why do they have him?