threads on the economy are avoided by the left wingers at all costs.

they can't claim the economy is racist and it's been too long since Bush was in office to have any shred of creditability blaming him..

If it's not about muslims or the tea party they avoid it..

So if I may, for all of you living east of the Rockies you have my sympathy but...

If we are suffering Global Warming why is it that this summer was so damn nice! We only had a couple of days hit 100 here. Now usually when it is 110 inland it is about 100 here but it is MILD today and it was kind of chilly yesterday.

So why if we are supposed to be getting hotter why then here in Sunny CA things have been BEACHN'?

Does anyone know of any subsidy help out there for individual property owners to install their own solar and wind systems.

I, for one, would sure like to get off the grid.

That maybe true of the leftists but not me.

I will continue to post in the economic threads because Obama has kept us out of depression which is what the stimulus was suppose to do. That is what the economist told Obama.

We are still paying for Bush and before. Obama can't be blamed for the economy it was collapsing when he got into office. So he still can't be blamed for it logically. Now the crazies who don't care about logic do blame him but it isn't accurate.

Recessions take a long time to recover from and Obama may not even get to see the end result of his work. Although I do hope he decides to stick around after the initial four years.

Can't legitimately blame Obama for the economy so it is really not a valid issue.

The news appears to be full of "items" that appear to mean one thing, but actually mean something else. Billions of dollars of loan guarantees went to the Arizona solar plant to fund a company from Spain who will own and operate the plant. Millions of dollars went to Michigan to build the auto battery plant (that was also in the news) which is owned by a South Korean company. Other examples exist also.

Sending profits to foreign companies is not what our country needs. The profits are what creates capital to create new jobs and pay taxes.

Small solar systems have and will be viable and have made a dramatic and unexpected positive impact on the German economy. However, all the money and investment is beginning and ending in Germany. America is not copying the good aspects of the German model, they are simply throwing money at the problem, much of which is going overseas.

Obama, in his campaign promises, stated that new nuclear power plants would be started immediately to help change the trend from the US relying more and more on foreign sources of energy. This plan was implemented very successfully by France after the first oil embargo. After the election the "nuke" program slid onto the back burner.

Bush directed five billion dollars to the department of energy specifically to fund expansion in key US universities to permanently expand solar research and specifically develop plans to improve US manufacturing capability. This program was very successful but now the science to improve America's competitiveness in the PRODUCTION of solar cells is being given to China ... apparently as a gesture of "good will".

The description of the Bush program has now been deleted from the DOE websites opening web pages.

The rebate for solar is $1,900 per kilowatt. I understand it will end soon. See the link.

http://www.solarrebates.com/index.html

I am getting a $1,500 rebate on my $1,500 hot water heat pump.

If you want the "do it yourself system" see below

http://www.earth4energy.com/