Topic: Gates Says U.S. Forces in Afghanistan for 'Years' to Come
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Thu 09/02/10 09:56 PM
CAMP EGGERS, Afghanistan -- Defense Secretary Robert Gates touched down in Kabul Thursday, in a surprise visit to Afghanistan for a lightning round of strategy sessions with top commanders and Afghan President Hamid Karzai.

Gates's visit to Afghanistan, his ninth since taking office in 2006, comes amid an intensifying -- and increasingly bloody -- U.S. war effort here. Three U.S. service members have already been killed in Afghanistan this month, and the number of U.S. casualties this year already exceeds the 304 who died in the war in 2009 -- itself a record high in the nine-year conflict.

In an interview with Fox News conducted on Wednesday in Baghdad, where Gates and Vice President Biden commemorated the formal end of U.S. combat missions in Iraq, the defense secretary predicted U.S. forces will remain deployed in the Afghan theater for several years to come. That assessment comes as the Obama administration prepares, at year's end, for another round of internal deliberations, and likely debate, over its conduct of the war.

Late last year the Obama administration announced, after an extensive review, that it was going to "surge" into Afghanistan an additional 30,000 troops. Almost all of those troops have now arrived in the country, bringing the total number of U.S. forces here to about 100,000. At the same time, President Obama set July 2011 as the date when some forces will begin to withdraw.

But General James Conway, commandant of the Marine Corps, told reporters last month that it will be "a few years" before Marines in Afghanistan's southwest battleground of Helmand Province can transfer control of security operations there to Afghan forces. And a week before Conway's comments, Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, described the U.S. mission there as "a long-term proposition."

Asked about these comments by his generals, Gates at first said such forecasts were not "knowable." The Pentagon chief said troops will begin to withdraw in July, then reaffirmed that the volume and pace of withdrawals of U.S. troops will be determined by conditions on the ground, which he said could change quickly.

"My gut tells me that we will probably have a troop presence in Afghanistan for some period of time," Gates said. "I don't know what that period of time is. I would say certainly more than two years. But I don't know what that length of time would be. It will depend on the success of our operations; it will depend on the pressures the Taliban feel themselves under when they discover in August of 2011 we're not gone."

Gates was less ready to endorse additional comments made by Conway during a lengthy Aug. 24 session with reporters, in which the top Marine said the July 2011 policy is "probably giving our enemy sustenance." As evidence for that assertion, Conway cited enemy chatter picked up by U.S. intelligence.

"We've intercepted communications that say, 'Hey, you know, we only have to hold out for so long,'" Conway said. Gates told Fox News that Conway, who is soon to retire, is "entitled to his professional military opinion," then added tartly: "I don't think you've heard any of the other (members of the joint) chiefs or the chairman say that."

Briefing reporters at Camp Eggers on the day of Gates' arrival in Afghanistan, Petraeus suggested U.S. and allied forces are now well positioned -- for perhaps the first time since the Taliban began to reassert itself, five years ago -- to execute Petraeus' "clear, hold and build" counter-insurgency strategy. In addition to the 100,000 U.S. troops now in Afghanistan, some 49 nations have deployed or pledged to deploy their own forces, bringing the total number of allied troops in the fight against the Taliban and affiliated terror networks to 150,000.

Germany, for example, is leading an operation in Baghlan, in the center of the country, while Spain and Italy are taking the lead in Badghis, in the west.

In a blitz of recent television appearances, Petraeus -- mindful that support for the war back at home is ebbing, as the conflict approaches a decade in length and casualties increase -- has repeatedly emphasized that he and his commanders now have "the right inputs" to wage the war on both military and non-military fronts.

He repeated that phrase Thursday as he flashed a laser pointer at a wall full of outsized, detailed, color-coded flowcharts that described various aspects of allied strategy and tactics. "We're just about at the point now where we have indeed got all the forces on the ground, they're moving into operations, got quite an all-star team out here," he said.

Petraeus also alluded, vaguely, to ongoing negotiations between the Karzai government and top Taliban commanders in which it is hoped the two sides might reach some kind of truce.

"The prospect for reconciliation with senior Taliban leaders certainly looms out there," Petraeus said Thursday. "And there have been approaches at (a) very senior level that hold some promise."

As he was leaving the briefing room, Petraeus turned to hear the question shouted out by a reporter: "Are we going to be here for several years, as General Conway said?"

Petraeus chuckled and headed for the door.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/09/02/gates-start-afghanistan-troop-pullout-debate/

Who woulda thought, announcing a withdrawl date would embolden the enemy! I seem to remember a certain President saying that in 2007..........

Dragoness's photo
Thu 09/02/10 10:17 PM
We will never leave there, just like we have never left any other country we entered. We are still in Germany and Japan and all other nations we went into.

When the fighting is over we will still be there. It is our way.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/04/10 11:45 AM

We will never leave there, just like we have never left any other country we entered. We are still in Germany and Japan and all other nations we went into.

When the fighting is over we will still be there. It is our way.


Ummm, he was talking in a combat situation, not just having a base there.

It's funny out of all the coalition forces there the US has the earliest withdrawl date thanks to Obama. Once again making us look bad.

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Sat 09/04/10 12:17 PM
Having been there myself....If anybody actually thinks that we will be out in a year you are mistaken. There is entirely too much to finish there. We cant leave...If we do we are giving them time to retake the lands they once controlled and giving the another chance to plot and attack us. Call it a hunch but I don't think Obama will be in office long enough to enforce this departure date. If he is still in office....well then America is in some deep s**t. Food for thought....Did you know that China as of now has the money to bail out America. Kind of scary considering that a communist country may have to basically buy the States should Obama continue on his current path. Did you hear Obama's reply to the threats of North Korea regarding the sunken S. Korean ship? The time for talks and half measures are over. From a Canadian perspective, all we hear about is the fall in support when it comes to Obama. Our question is when will the complaining stop and the action begin? Canada is directly tied to the American economy, so when there is a moron U.S president in power, WE suffer too. Now our Prime Minister John Harper is a bit of a tool for sure!, but we have a leash on him. There are no mosques being erected near our national jewels. Granted we were never attacked, but we all feel that if we had done that, we would've insulted our American cousins! NEVER! As for Iraq and Afghanistan....there is more work to be done there than you could possibly imagine. The only way to attain victory in this case is to destroy the resistance. How do we do that?? We rekindle the spirit and power that we all once had, and when the people figure out that WE are the spirit and power, then that is the day that Americans regain control of YOUR lands and way of life. Lets rally as we once did. Lets regain ourselves. Otherwise...my bullet wounds, and the wounds of everyone else, and the lives of those serving, will have been forever affected for no reason.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/04/10 12:41 PM

Having been there myself....If anybody actually thinks that we will be out in a year you are mistaken. There is entirely too much to finish there. We cant leave...If we do we are giving them time to retake the lands they once controlled and giving the another chance to plot and attack us. Call it a hunch but I don't think Obama will be in office long enough to enforce this departure date. If he is still in office....well then America is in some deep s**t. Food for thought....Did you know that China as of now has the money to bail out America. Kind of scary considering that a communist country may have to basically buy the States should Obama continue on his current path. Did you hear Obama's reply to the threats of North Korea regarding the sunken S. Korean ship? The time for talks and half measures are over. From a Canadian perspective, all we hear about is the fall in support when it comes to Obama. Our question is when will the complaining stop and the action begin? Canada is directly tied to the American economy, so when there is a moron U.S president in power, WE suffer too. Now our Prime Minister John Harper is a bit of a tool for sure!, but we have a leash on him. There are no mosques being erected near our national jewels. Granted we were never attacked, but we all feel that if we had done that, we would've insulted our American cousins! NEVER! As for Iraq and Afghanistan....there is more work to be done there than you could possibly imagine. The only way to attain victory in this case is to destroy the resistance. How do we do that?? We rekindle the spirit and power that we all once had, and when the people figure out that WE are the spirit and power, then that is the day that Americans regain control of YOUR lands and way of life. Lets rally as we once did. Lets regain ourselves. Otherwise...my bullet wounds, and the wounds of everyone else, and the lives of those serving, will have been forever affected for no reason.


Exactly, but we now look like a bunch of pansies being that the US (because of Obummer) has announced plans to withdrawl in 2011 when ALL the other countries have announced later dates.

eklectek's photo
Sat 09/04/10 12:44 PM
thats where the people come in. the people need to speak up instead of allowing it.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/04/10 12:45 PM

thats where the people come in. the people need to speak up instead of allowing it.


That doesn't matter. Obummer has a track record of doing the exact opposite of what the people want.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 09/04/10 10:09 PM
Especially if we hit Pakistan or Iran next. We will be in the region for atleast another ten years in a combat situation. Otherwise we will just be there at our established overseas bases.