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Topic: Legalization of Marijuana
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Fri 03/12/10 11:41 AM
:wink: ... Yep!

Dunnay even get me started on the how/why all the anti~propaganda began.

LewisW123's photo
Fri 03/12/10 11:48 AM
laugh

Damn. Now I want to see the whole movie.

laugh

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Fri 03/12/10 11:51 AM
:thumbsup: ... You really must!

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Fri 03/12/10 11:52 AM

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Fri 03/12/10 11:53 AM
Edited by 68chevy on Fri 03/12/10 11:54 AM

laugh

Damn. Now I want to see the whole movie.

laugh


Here you go...laugh

http://www.hulu.com/watch/63039/reefer-madness

rofl rofl

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Fri 03/12/10 11:58 AM

I know in Washington, Montana and Oregon it isn't that easy to get a doctor to prescribe it. There are many I know personally in those places who can't get it legally...most Doctor's don't hand it out so easily. One is Washington has been able to get a prescription and she's a mess. It will NEVER be legal in any way, shape or form in Utah.


Denver, it is easy as hell to get a prescription here. I just have to wait until I get a state ID.smokin

When I lived in Utah (which was years ago), it seemed like they were pushing for marijuana to not be so heavily sought after by law enforcement. I guess that went to the *******?

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Fri 03/12/10 11:59 AM



... And what is at the heart of the reason for the question?


Always on topic!



I'm just wondering if this could give another state fire-power to kill a similar bill.

Or could the law be changed in Michigan? Were there voters in Michigan that truly thought it would be used for medicinal purposes, which is how the law reads and is intended, and are going to be outraged by its abuse? Or do you think it was passed by a true majority of people that knew the loop-holes would be there and were O.K. with that?

The church in the article is brand new. I have a little inside info. that it is already veering from its legal constraints. I'm curious to see if the voters in Michigan will be O.K. with it.

I really don't know what will happen.


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Fri 03/12/10 12:05 PM




... And what is at the heart of the reason for the question?


Always on topic!



I'm just wondering if this could give another state fire-power to kill a similar bill.

Or could the law be changed in Michigan? Were there voters in Michigan that truly thought it would be used for medicinal purposes, which is how the law reads and is intended, and are going to be outraged by its abuse? Or do you think it was passed by a true majority of people that knew the loop-holes would be there and were O.K. with that?

The church in the article is brand new. I have a little inside info. that it is already veering from its legal constraints. I'm curious to see if the voters in Michigan will be O.K. with it.

I really don't know what will happen.




I think you're jumping the gun, I don't think there will be any abuse of the law. Although any stoner will tell you that it is almost hilarious that someone walks into a doctor's office and says "I need weed, I get headaches."

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the legalization of marijuana and if it can get cleared from a medical standpoint it is all good with me. The problem I have is that no one is educating people of current information we have on marijuana such as; there is no such thing as a 'gateway drug,' there isn't a documented death attributed to marijuana, and the almighty you will not go crazy from smoking one joint.

We need to educate people before we unleash this Godlike plant upon them...this is the one thing that has slipped in this country over the past twenty years or so, we have new information on what marijuana does to the body...but we are still using information that we made up in the 70's.

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Fri 03/12/10 12:08 PM
I have no problem with them legalizing it. I just want the same restrictions as alcohol on it....no under age, no driving, etc.

Not everyone that drinks gets mean and not everyone that smokes is mellow. I see them both the same

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Fri 03/12/10 12:12 PM




... And what is at the heart of the reason for the question?


Always on topic!



I'm just wondering if this could give another state fire-power to kill a similar bill.

Or could the law be changed in Michigan? Were there voters in Michigan that truly thought it would be used for medicinal purposes, which is how the law reads and is intended, and are going to be outraged by its abuse? Or do you think it was passed by a true majority of people that knew the loop-holes would be there and were O.K. with that?

The church in the article is brand new. I have a little inside info. that it is already veering from its legal constraints. I'm curious to see if the voters in Michigan will be O.K. with it.

I really don't know what will happen.





Well, I'd echo Chev's comments on Marijuana Decriminalization sentiments.

Most in Law Making and Enforcement want it as such, more because it clogs our legal machine that has far bigger fish to fry.

National polls, that lean towards decriminalizing, then echo this sentiment also ...

So, yes, I believe if this is the loophole that leads the way, it will continue its spread in this manner ...

However silly is the reason.

So? The query then becomes, are those that answer as such in the polls, also the ones calling their politicians and voting as such too.

Most likely, yes. Let's hope ...


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Fri 03/12/10 12:20 PM





... And what is at the heart of the reason for the question?


Always on topic!



I'm just wondering if this could give another state fire-power to kill a similar bill.

Or could the law be changed in Michigan? Were there voters in Michigan that truly thought it would be used for medicinal purposes, which is how the law reads and is intended, and are going to be outraged by its abuse? Or do you think it was passed by a true majority of people that knew the loop-holes would be there and were O.K. with that?

The church in the article is brand new. I have a little inside info. that it is already veering from its legal constraints. I'm curious to see if the voters in Michigan will be O.K. with it.

I really don't know what will happen.





Well, I'd echo Chev's comments on Marijuana Decriminalization sentiments.

Most in Law Making and Enforcement want it as such, more because it clogs our legal machine that has far bigger fish to fry.

National polls, that lean towards decriminalizing, then echo this sentiment also ...

So, yes, I believe if this is the loophole that leads the way, it will continue its spread in this manner ...

However silly is the reason.

So? The query then becomes, are those that answer as such in the polls, also the ones calling their politicians and voting as such too.

Most likely, yes. Let's hope ...




NORML has been at it for years, NORML was the main push behind the legalization in Denver for medicinal purposes. But that just isn't enough, we need to convince people like Thomas who still believe it is this evil drug placed upon our country and it will lead to more problems. We need education right now if we are ever to see marijuana make a full legalization turnaround, and we simply do not have that at this time.

Sure, someone can find these things out if they look on the internet, but there is also a hint of biased points of view in these areas. I direct everyone to Erowid, because Erowid is the most non-biased site, but even then people still see Erowid as a pro-drug site even though it is far from that...but they are only reading the stuff on marijuana and not the other drugs that are on the site where users have said "this is a devil drug" or something to that effect.

We need education, we need to teach people the current facts instead of the same rehashed BS that we made up in the 70's.

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Fri 03/12/10 12:36 PM
Agreed, FL.

And, if the way we begin the change is the already enroute momentum towards first legalizing medically, we have pushed off from shore at least ...

Folks are SO brainwashed w/ olde propaganda, which was not ever scientifically nor sociologically founded ...

... The chain of devolving misinformation, in the present climate, firstly begins w/ the glimmer of hope towards decriminalization via these Medically Prescribed laws passed and first overtaking ...

The educational and decriminalization sweep further will begin in earnest in this ground swell manner.

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Fri 03/12/10 06:28 PM

"Among the known or suspected chronic effects of marijuana are:

1. short-term memory impairment and slowness of learning.

2. impaired lung function similar to that found in cigarette smokers. Indications are that more serious effects, such as cancer and other lung disease, follow extended use.

3. decreased sperm count and sperm motility.

4. interference with ovulation and pre-natal development.

5. impaired immune response.

6. possible adverse effects on heart function.

7. by-products of marijuana remaining in body fat for several weeks, with unknown consequences. The storage of these by-products increases the possiblilties for chronic, as well as residual, effects on performance, even after the acute reaction to the drug has worn off. Of special concern are the long-term developmental effects in children and adolescents, who are particularly vulnerable to the drug's behavioral and psychological effects.

The "amotivational syndrome," characterized by a pattern of energy loss, diminished school performance, harmed parental relationships, and other behavorial disruptions, has been associated with prolonged marijuana use by young persons. Although more research is required, recent national surveys report that 40% of heavy users experience some or all of those symptoms."

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001143.htm




SO? If it were legalized is could be regulated to reduce some of those side effects...

But let's look at the "legal" drug of choice in America that we poison our kids and ourselves with now.

ALCOHOL

"Medical conditions and social harms related to alcohol consumption:

1. Impairment of Nutrient Digestion and Utilization

2. Impairs the mechanisms by which the body controls blood glucose levels, resulting in either increased or decreased blood glucose.

3. Vitamin deficiency

4. Deficiencies of minerals such as calcium, magnesium, iron, and zinc.

5. Liver Disease

6. Pancreatitis

7. Severe and permanent effects on brain function

8. Direct toxic effects on fetal development

9. Protein deficiencies

Consumption of alcohol is related to over 60 medical conditions. Alcohol consumption additionally increases the risk of a wide range of social harms, such as crimes and injuries. Drinking during pregnancy increases the risk of spontaneous abortion and harms the development of the unborn child. For some conditions (such as cardiomyopathy, acute respiratory distress syndrome and muscle damage), the harm seems to stem from a sustained level of high alcohol consumption. Even at this high level, if the volume of consumption increases, the risk of harm increases even further. Below is an overview of the harms related to alcohol consumption (Anderson & Baumberg, 2006).



Harm done to the individual drinker

Alcohol contributes to the development of the following medical and social conditions:

impaired social well-being (negative social consequences; reduced work performance);
intentional and unintentional injuries (violence; drinking and driving; injuries; suicide);
neuropsychiatric conditions (anxiety and sleep disorders; depression; alcohol dependence; nerve damage; brain damage; cognitive impairment and dementia);
gastrointestinal, metabolic and endocrine conditions (liver cirrhosis; pancreatitis; type II diabetes; overweight; gout),
cancers (gastrointestinal tract; liver; breast);
cardiovascular diseases (hypertension; stroke; irregularities in heart rhythms; coronary heart disease (CHD); cardiomyopathy);
impaired immune system (susceptibility to infectious diseases),
lung diseases (increased risk of acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS));
post-operative complications;
skeletal conditions (fracture and muscle disease); and
reproductive conditions.

Harm done to people other than the drinker


Alcohol can contribute to:

negative social consequences (such as being kept awake at night by drunk people);
violence and crime (such as violence directed at strangers or spouse abuse);
marital harm (such as separation or divorce);
child abuse;
work-related harm;
drinking and driving; and
pre-natal conditions (such as spontaneous abortion or intellectual deficits).
REF: http://www.euphix.org/object_document/o5204n27408.html

Alcohol addiction withdrawal effects:



A. Cessation of (or reduction in) alcohol use that has been heavy and prolonged.

B. Two (or more) of the following, developing within several hours to a few days after Criterion A:



1. Autonomic hyperactivity (e.g. sweating or pulse rate greater than 100)

2. Increased had tremor

3. Insomnia

4. Nausea or vomiting

5. Transient visual, tactile, or auditory hallucinations or illusions.

6. Psychomotor agitation

7. Anxiey

8. Grand mal seizures


C. The symptoms in Criterion B cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. (Ref : American Psychiatric Association) "

More...much much more:

http://www.alcoholthenarcotic.org/Drug_Facts_Label.html


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