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Don't at all connect how a Tarot Reading for an individual can be suggested as a help for a group conversation, you lost me there too. I know I would not dream to mention horns though. I have used spiritual methods and tarot to help guide people towards the remedy they may want to explore. Many natural medicine practioners use such techniques. I don't know what you mean by horns. |
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No problem I will do the same but i thinks everyone needs to hear from us that dont believe in mainstream medicene!!!It seems to make us out to look like Voodoo people I admire Dancers feel for alternative medicene!!
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Thank you, Mikey, as I admire your helpful contributions as well -
Not to mention your service to our country, but that is another thread, dear ... 
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"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act. The ability to be in the present moment is a major component of mental wellness."- Abraham Maslow
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"I can feel guilty about the past, apprehensive about the future, but only in the present can I act. The ability to be in the present moment is a major component of mental wellness."- Abraham Maslow 
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I have a very Buddhist concept way of looking at life, for the most part. I will, WCW, used to have some of his books, where are they?
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Oh Sh**! I forgot...I'm not posting in this thread anymore!
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Well I guess that covers all areas!!!! Only thing we dont have is /viagra BUT we dont need it!!  
 Actually, there are native herbs and such that act like viagra. However, you were right in your comment about not really needing it if you are healthy, physically and mentally!
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Edited by
EquusDancer
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Tue 03/02/10 09:40 PM
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I soully beleive that for every illness on this planet that there is the counterpart- cure in the plant life. Unfortunately, we have destroyed too much and shamans are dying without passing on their rememdies. A vast increase in our illness/diseases have resulted from the chemicals induced into our enviorment- food to earth. Healing comes from within, our lifes balanced energy, then the aid of medicine (herbal and pharmo) and the ability to distinguish all of it. No one can really help another, unless they are ready. Lifes journey and lessons needed. I'd like to hear from people who have treatment success...not just the ones who state they are successful in treating others. No offense, but sometimes blowing your horn too much makes one wonder.
Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. And when the pharma companies get involved, it's worse. Shamans taught personal respeonsibility and self-control. Even Heyokas, berdaches, and other types of contraries still had some basic self-control, even if they were out shaking people up. |
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Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. Very well put. Actually, I think charging anything isn't a good thing. |
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Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. Very well put. Actually, I think charging anything isn't a good thing. I can understand a token charge, especially since people aren't real good about bartering anymore, but I do think bartering is the better way to go. However, not like that idiot in Arizona who was charging $10,000 per head for an "authentic" sweat lodge and ended up killing a couple of folks. Fortunately, most of the shamans/shamanic practitioners I know and deal with don't charge, or still go with the barter system. |
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Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. Very well put. Actually, I think charging anything isn't a good thing. I can understand a token charge, especially since people aren't real good about bartering anymore, but I do think bartering is the better way to go. However, not like that idiot in Arizona who was charging $10,000 per head for an "authentic" sweat lodge and ended up killing a couple of folks. Fortunately, most of the shamans/shamanic practitioners I know and deal with don't charge, or still go with the barter system. I very much agree. I think it used to be that the people a shaman (or medicine man/woman) took care of would take care of their shaman. Bartering was generally how it was done. Yes, shamans and healers have to eat and have to make some kind of a living. But, they should not be turning people away for lack of funds and they should not be making a lot of money off the suffering of others. |
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Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. Very well put. Actually, I think charging anything isn't a good thing. I can understand a token charge, especially since people aren't real good about bartering anymore, but I do think bartering is the better way to go. However, not like that idiot in Arizona who was charging $10,000 per head for an "authentic" sweat lodge and ended up killing a couple of folks. Fortunately, most of the shamans/shamanic practitioners I know and deal with don't charge, or still go with the barter system. I very much agree. I think it used to be that the people a shaman (or medicine man/woman) took care of would take care of their shaman. Bartering was generally how it was done. Yes, shamans and healers have to eat and have to make some kind of a living. But, they should not be turning people away for lack of funds and they should not be making a lot of money off the suffering of others. excellent conversation. You gave what you could afford, not one was turned away. When Castenadas wrote his trilogy, people became interested in the hallucengenic (am getting tired- brain is shorting) part of peyote, not the healing involved. |
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Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. Very well put. Actually, I think charging anything isn't a good thing. I can understand a token charge, especially since people aren't real good about bartering anymore, but I do think bartering is the better way to go. However, not like that idiot in Arizona who was charging $10,000 per head for an "authentic" sweat lodge and ended up killing a couple of folks. Fortunately, most of the shamans/shamanic practitioners I know and deal with don't charge, or still go with the barter system. I very much agree. I think it used to be that the people a shaman (or medicine man/woman) took care of would take care of their shaman. Bartering was generally how it was done. Yes, shamans and healers have to eat and have to make some kind of a living. But, they should not be turning people away for lack of funds and they should not be making a lot of money off the suffering of others. excellent conversation. You gave what you could afford, not one was turned away. When Castenadas wrote his trilogy, people became interested in the hallucengenic (am getting tired- brain is shorting) part of peyote, not the healing involved. Seems that way with many of the hallucinogenic plants. Quick and easy high, rather then simple respect for the culture. |
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excellent conversation. You gave what you could afford, not one was turned away. When Castenadas wrote his trilogy, people became interested in the hallucengenic (am getting tired- brain is shorting) part of peyote, not the healing involved. Yep. It's such a shame, too. 
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Shamans and others are dying and not passing on info, because the info is not being respected. It's all well and good that someone takes the time to learn, but turning around and charging major bucks for what was essentially taught freely isn't a good thing. Very well put. Actually, I think charging anything isn't a good thing. I can understand a token charge, especially since people aren't real good about bartering anymore, but I do think bartering is the better way to go. However, not like that idiot in Arizona who was charging $10,000 per head for an "authentic" sweat lodge and ended up killing a couple of folks. Fortunately, most of the shamans/shamanic practitioners I know and deal with don't charge, or still go with the barter system. Shamanism is alive and doing well...James Arthur Ray considers himself a "spiritual teacher". He has not, nor ever has had any Shamanic training. He only recently became in demand because of his bit in "The Secret". He wasn't then and never has been a Shaman. I agree 10k for a spiritual retreat is silly-ness and greedy. Spirituality can not be bought or sold.. |
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Finally...as of about a year ago I am free of OCD, but it took over 20 years to find the correct treatment. Just knowing yr diagnosis does not mean you will be cured. free of? cured? or just managed to the point you are currently symptom free? |
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Edited by
citygurl
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Wed 03/03/10 10:04 AM
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Has anyone had any experience with the PURE O form of OCD?
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Edited by
Dancere
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Wed 03/03/10 10:14 AM
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Shamans taught personal respeonsibility and self-control. Even Heyokas, berdaches, and other types of contraries still had some basic self-control, even if they were out shaking people up. Ty! My point throughout this thread: personal responsibility, self control, accountability in tandem to treatment. Commit to and do the hard work that real effectual, lasting healing change demands forever. It requires a lifetime dedication, not a quick trial and dismiss! But, they should not be turning people away for lack of funds and they should not be making a lot of money off the suffering of others.
What should 'they' do then? Sounds like the olde Baptist adage to the Pastors: "You keep 'em Shepherded ... We'll keep you humble!" Meaning, they were scarcely paid a shilling and had a legendary, tough struggle to even eat. It turned into a greedy, viscous 800 Club kinda construct, that began from a grass roots survival necessity. Also, sounds like what all doctors were eventually forced to as well: a long, expensive education w/ promises they'd be made rich. The healing incentive was thus diluted long ago. The word "Should" is so harsh here. It requires the no longer existent, old world construct of community care to achieve a notion that is preposterous in today's world, tragically. Would that it weren't! If should be used then, the Medicine Person should also still be completely cared for by the community, that economics and survival is not part of their energetic struggle. That, they may be capable of offering their services unfettered w/ survival worries. But it 'isn't', so 'shouldn't' is a well moot expectation! Every Medicine Person~Healer that I know hasn't this luxury, and should feel zero guilt that they are unable to survive w/out a currency exchange. We also require an expensive education to ensure we are legally protected to provide our services; even if we were always capable of producing healing results w/out such. We want what you suggest more than imaginable. We could do even better work if we needn't constantly concern ourselves w/ harnessing so much of our energy to economic survival! Also ... Energetically the exchange requires an exchange, an energy towards an energy. The worst results I've seen were those where the dis~eased person took the services offered and offered nothing back in return. Almost as if there is a new metaphysical math that it IS entirely on the individuals to barter for care, in the absence of the past societal construct of community care for the Medicine Person. This is where gift stipends, grants and volunteerism can enter in nicely, that we be able to reach specific communities that cannot reach us. Then the person can be bettered and is enabled to go out and help another. In this fashion, they do give back in their community, that the exchange have a full circle reciprocity. I see it as a food chain in this new construct: I'll help you, you send someone else to me that also needs help, as well as you go back in the world and help another. We must work w/ what 2010 offers, not should offer. We DO keep dreamingscaping for such a day to return though! You gave what you could afford, not one was turned away. When Castenadas wrote his trilogy, people became interested in the hallucengenic (am getting tired- brain is shorting) part of peyote, not the healing involved.
Didya know that Castenadas went on to much later reveal that the books were complete works of fiction, written to pay the bills for his education? Seems like the pesky bills always tread on the possibilities lost! I loved the PURE majik of these beloved to me stories, and take heart that they are at least constructed from rich, true folklore as a researched basis. Knowing this, their import was not so diminished w/ the news that they were not actually autobiographical works. (*Sniff*) |
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Edited by
Dancere
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Wed 03/03/10 10:26 AM
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Wish society would take care of us!
I wanna be like 'Doc' in Gunsmoke ... 
... Or Dr Quinn, Medicine Woman!
No! I wanna be the Medicine Woman in Avatar! ...  ... But, alas it is all just a film's, television's or book's tease, things are how they are and they ain't no different!
We continue to dream for the return of such ... 
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