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Topic: Crucifixion - A Medical Perspective
Up2Us Joined Sat 03/15/08 Posts: 3926	Thu 02/18/10 01:07 PM
Trauma Surgeon Dr. David Acuna describes the effect crucifixion would have had on the human body . The Crucifixion - A Medical Perspective http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-EVfxABSoU&feature=related

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Thu 02/18/10 04:06 PM
Regarding the abdominal wound - I thought that the bible simply said that they stabbed him in the abdomen, and fluid drained from his wounds. Am I wrong? And this guy is going on about how it must have been one of a selected handful of arteries, or the heart? How did he arrive at this conclusion? Is there any biblical evidence that the abdominal wound penetrated the heart, or major artery? And he mentions how people can bleed to death from a head injury, while talking about the crown of thorns. I get the feeling that he has an agenda to spin everything to the most severe possible interpretation of what the Biblical story.

Up2Us Joined Sat 03/15/08 Posts: 3926	Thu 02/18/10 05:32 PM Edited by Up2Us on Thu 02/18/10 05:32 PM
Medical Aspects Of The Crucifixion Of Jesus Christ, Compiled by David Terasaka, M.D. (more detailed) Article Links: http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/medical.html http://www.frugalsites.net/jesus/crucifixion.htm

Milesoftheusa Joined Fri 10/27/06 Posts: 5122	Thu 02/18/10 08:26 PM Edited by Milesoftheusa on Thu 02/18/10 08:27 PM
I have not read them but doesn't say that when he was pierced water gushed from him? like alot not just a small flow. It has been proven that you can sweat blood when under severe emotional stress and pain. The scriptures speak of they broke the leggs of the 2 malefactors but Yahshua was already dead. Now they did this because bodies could not be hanging when darkness came. So if we are going to talk about the medical aspect of this why did they break the leggs of the condemned and what happened when they did? Blessings...Miles

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/19/10 05:40 AM
that Jesus died on the cross only displays how the belief that "The Blood of Christ" has healing powers is a myth ...Jesus was filled with this healing blood in concentrated force but yet died if the "Blood of Christ" having healing powers is not a myth then Jesus didn't die on the cross because the blood would have been healing every wound that he had ... also the roman guard named "Longinus" that speared Jesus in the side claim that a drop of the blood that spilled from Jesus's wound touched his lips and healed his bad eyesight and he instantly became a follower of Jesus since Longinus was the Captain of the guards that guarded the tomb that Jesus was in then the blood of Christ would have healed Jesus and Longious now being a follower would have simply let Jesus go THEREFORE if the healing powers of the blood of Christ is a myth the Jesus died on the cross and clearly was not Divine....if the blood is not a myth then that is why it's possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Fri 02/19/10 06:00 AM
The healing that comes from the "blood of Christ" is generally believed to be spiritual healing and spiritual life. Yes, Jesus, when he was alive was said to perform many healing miracles. I do not know of any healing miracles performed by Jesus that involved the use of his blood. Most were performed by a simple touch. And, I do believe, that a few....at least one....were healed because of their faith in Jesus alone.

DrRob Joined Tue 12/29/09 Posts: 419	Fri 02/19/10 06:11 AM
The healing that comes from the "blood of Christ" is generally believed to be spiritual healing and spiritual life. Yes, Jesus, when he was alive was said to perform many healing miracles. I do not know of any healing miracles performed by Jesus that involved the use of his blood. Most were performed by a simple touch. And, I do believe, that a few....at least one....were healed because of their faith in Jesus alone.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/19/10 06:13 AM
The healing that comes from the "blood of Christ" is generally believed to be spiritual healing and spiritual life. Yes, Jesus, when he was alive was said to perform many healing miracles. I do not know of any healing miracles performed by Jesus that involved the use of his blood. Most were performed by a simple touch. And, I do believe, that a few....at least one....were healed because of their faith in Jesus alone. when it comes to being healed with a mere touch only one thing comes to mind...why can't Jesus heal an amputee or those born with no limbs also if a follower believe in Jesus and has faith in Jesus then explain what is the benefit of having to be healed spiritually

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Fri 02/19/10 06:34 AM
The healing that comes from the "blood of Christ" is generally believed to be spiritual healing and spiritual life. Yes, Jesus, when he was alive was said to perform many healing miracles. I do not know of any healing miracles performed by Jesus that involved the use of his blood. Most were performed by a simple touch. And, I do believe, that a few....at least one....were healed because of their faith in Jesus alone. when it comes to being healed with a mere touch only one thing comes to mind...why can't Jesus heal an amputee or those born with no limbs also if a follower believe in Jesus and has faith in Jesus then explain what is the benefit of having to be healed spiritually If I actually believed that you wanted to have a discussion and not just argue endlessly I'd be willing to. But, I have seen your "discussions" and they go around and around in circles. If you sincerely want answers to your questions, go find them. The answers are out there. But, I suspect you just like to argue.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/19/10 07:14 AM
The healing that comes from the "blood of Christ" is generally believed to be spiritual healing and spiritual life. Yes, Jesus, when he was alive was said to perform many healing miracles. I do not know of any healing miracles performed by Jesus that involved the use of his blood. Most were performed by a simple touch. And, I do believe, that a few....at least one....were healed because of their faith in Jesus alone. when it comes to being healed with a mere touch only one thing comes to mind...why can't Jesus heal an amputee or those born with no limbs also if a follower believe in Jesus and has faith in Jesus then explain what is the benefit of having to be healed spiritually If I actually believed that you wanted to have a discussion and not just argue endlessly I'd be willing to. But, I have seen your "discussions" and they go around and around in circles. If you sincerely want answers to your questions, go find them. The answers are out there. But, I suspect you just like to argue. Ruth I'm sorry that a supposed spiritual person like yourself can't answer a simple question about spiritually...but that is still no reason to lose control and get personal...but hey it happens to the best of us..so consider the matter to be forgotten but anyway I will explain to you why you can't answer that question...it's because there is simply no benefit in healing someone spiritally if they already believe and have faith ....it would be little more than them being scammed.....exactly how would someone know that they have been healed spiritually ...do they get an X-Ray or a MRI ....

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Fri 02/19/10 07:36 AM
Ruth I'm sorry that a supposed spiritual person like yourself can't answer a simple question about spiritually...but that is still no reason to lose control and get personal...but hey it happens to the best of us..so consider the matter to be forgotten Nope, no loss of control. In fact I'm not even upset. Nor was it a personal attack to state that you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. So, no need for the matter to be considered forgotten. However, I am done with this conversation.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/19/10 07:51 AM
you are simply arguing for the sake of arguing. Ruth ...in case no one told you that is what generally take place in a forum...people present their arguments so if you are going to have a conniption fit everytime someone present theirs...then perhaps you shouldn't present yours

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/19/10 08:19 AM
that Jesus died on the cross only displays how the belief that "The Blood of Christ" has healing powers is a myth ...Jesus was filled with this healing blood in concentrated force but yet died if the "Blood of Christ" having healing powers is not a myth then Jesus didn't die on the cross because the blood would have been healing every wound that he had ... also the roman guard named "Longinus" that speared Jesus in the side claim that a drop of the blood that spilled from Jesus's wound touched his lips and healed his bad eyesight and he instantly became a follower of Jesus since Longinus was the Captain of the guards that guarded the tomb that Jesus was in then the blood of Christ would have healed Jesus and Longious now being a follower would have simply let Jesus go THEREFORE if the healing powers of the blood of Christ is a myth the Jesus died on the cross and clearly was not Divine....if the blood is not a myth then that is why it's possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross Jesus having healing blood is a metaphor more or less. What is ment by Jesus has healing blood is that he was put on the cross and suffered all the torture he did to heal us of our sins.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/19/10 08:41 AM
that Jesus died on the cross only displays how the belief that "The Blood of Christ" has healing powers is a myth ...Jesus was filled with this healing blood in concentrated force but yet died if the "Blood of Christ" having healing powers is not a myth then Jesus didn't die on the cross because the blood would have been healing every wound that he had ... also the roman guard named "Longinus" that speared Jesus in the side claim that a drop of the blood that spilled from Jesus's wound touched his lips and healed his bad eyesight and he instantly became a follower of Jesus since Longinus was the Captain of the guards that guarded the tomb that Jesus was in then the blood of Christ would have healed Jesus and Longious now being a follower would have simply let Jesus go THEREFORE if the healing powers of the blood of Christ is a myth the Jesus died on the cross and clearly was not Divine....if the blood is not a myth then that is why it's possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross Jesus having healing blood is a metaphor more or less. What is ment by Jesus has healing blood is that he was put on the cross and suffered all the torture he did to heal us of our sins. Cowboy ...if Jesus healed everyone of their sins ..then answer this question he who is without sin cast the first stone .....can you name anyone that can cast that first stone .....if the answer is no then Jesus did not heal anyone of their sins

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/19/10 08:51 AM
that Jesus died on the cross only displays how the belief that "The Blood of Christ" has healing powers is a myth ...Jesus was filled with this healing blood in concentrated force but yet died if the "Blood of Christ" having healing powers is not a myth then Jesus didn't die on the cross because the blood would have been healing every wound that he had ... also the roman guard named "Longinus" that speared Jesus in the side claim that a drop of the blood that spilled from Jesus's wound touched his lips and healed his bad eyesight and he instantly became a follower of Jesus since Longinus was the Captain of the guards that guarded the tomb that Jesus was in then the blood of Christ would have healed Jesus and Longious now being a follower would have simply let Jesus go THEREFORE if the healing powers of the blood of Christ is a myth the Jesus died on the cross and clearly was not Divine....if the blood is not a myth then that is why it's possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross Jesus having healing blood is a metaphor more or less. What is ment by Jesus has healing blood is that he was put on the cross and suffered all the torture he did to heal us of our sins. Cowboy ...if Jesus healed everyone of their sins ..then answer this question he who is without sin cast the first stone .....can you name anyone that can cast that first stone .....if the answer is no then Jesus did not heal anyone of their sins Yes everyone that believes in Jesus and tries there best can cast that stone.

funches Joined Sat 12/01/07 Posts: 12948	Fri 02/19/10 08:55 AM
that Jesus died on the cross only displays how the belief that "The Blood of Christ" has healing powers is a myth ...Jesus was filled with this healing blood in concentrated force but yet died if the "Blood of Christ" having healing powers is not a myth then Jesus didn't die on the cross because the blood would have been healing every wound that he had ... also the roman guard named "Longinus" that speared Jesus in the side claim that a drop of the blood that spilled from Jesus's wound touched his lips and healed his bad eyesight and he instantly became a follower of Jesus since Longinus was the Captain of the guards that guarded the tomb that Jesus was in then the blood of Christ would have healed Jesus and Longious now being a follower would have simply let Jesus go THEREFORE if the healing powers of the blood of Christ is a myth the Jesus died on the cross and clearly was not Divine....if the blood is not a myth then that is why it's possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross Jesus having healing blood is a metaphor more or less. What is ment by Jesus has healing blood is that he was put on the cross and suffered all the torture he did to heal us of our sins. Cowboy ...if Jesus healed everyone of their sins ..then answer this question he who is without sin cast the first stone .....can you name anyone that can cast that first stone .....if the answer is no then Jesus did not heal anyone of their sins Yes everyone that believes in Jesus and tries there best can cast that stone. Cowboy...Jesus said "he who is without sin" ...not "he who tries their best not to sin" because if that was the case even Satan can throw the first stone .....is this an example of how you follow and interpet Jesus's word so again...do you know anyone that can cast the first stone

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Fri 02/19/10 12:13 PM
that Jesus died on the cross only displays how the belief that "The Blood of Christ" has healing powers is a myth ...Jesus was filled with this healing blood in concentrated force but yet died if the "Blood of Christ" having healing powers is not a myth then Jesus didn't die on the cross because the blood would have been healing every wound that he had ... also the roman guard named "Longinus" that speared Jesus in the side claim that a drop of the blood that spilled from Jesus's wound touched his lips and healed his bad eyesight and he instantly became a follower of Jesus since Longinus was the Captain of the guards that guarded the tomb that Jesus was in then the blood of Christ would have healed Jesus and Longious now being a follower would have simply let Jesus go THEREFORE if the healing powers of the blood of Christ is a myth the Jesus died on the cross and clearly was not Divine....if the blood is not a myth then that is why it's possible that Jesus didn't die on the cross Jesus having healing blood is a metaphor more or less. What is ment by Jesus has healing blood is that he was put on the cross and suffered all the torture he did to heal us of our sins. Cowboy ...if Jesus healed everyone of their sins ..then answer this question he who is without sin cast the first stone .....can you name anyone that can cast that first stone .....if the answer is no then Jesus did not heal anyone of their sins Yes everyone that believes in Jesus and tries there best can cast that stone. Cowboy...Jesus said "he who is without sin" ...not "he who tries their best not to sin" because if that was the case even Satan can throw the first stone .....is this an example of how you follow and interpet Jesus's word so again...do you know anyone that can cast the first stone You also have to keep in mind one thing. Jesus died for our sins, thus resulting in believing in him and having a heart not to sin whipes our sins away. At the time he said this he had not died for us.

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Fri 02/19/10 01:07 PM
The healing that comes from the "blood of Christ" is generally believed to be spiritual healing and spiritual life. Yes, Jesus, when he was alive was said to perform many healing miracles. I do not know of any healing miracles performed by Jesus that involved the use of his blood. Most were performed by a simple touch. And, I do believe, that a few....at least one....were healed because of their faith in Jesus alone. when it comes to being healed with a mere touch only one thing comes to mind...why can't Jesus heal an amputee or those born with no limbs also if a follower believe in Jesus and has faith in Jesus then explain what is the benefit of having to be healed spiritually as a non-christian I agree with you points, most of the time.. my reply here is they don't believe it is possible, didn't, doesn't matter what Jesus thinks. If one without a limb doesn't believe they can "grow" another, they won't. "spiritual healing" can not be explained, it has to be experienced. Anyone who requires a definition of spiritual healing has not experienced it..one who has experienced it, can not explain it.

markumX Joined Wed 06/03/09 Posts: 677	Fri 02/19/10 03:14 PM
"Jesus having healing blood is a metaphor more or less. " this is the most common response of a christian when something from the dogma is refuted...or when a verse is presented that clearly contradicts them it's "taken out of context" yet when it comes to the Quran or any other book it's to be taken as literal. The bible's all over the place when it comes to this incident. One book says he died the day before Passover, one book says On passover, another book says after passover..no wonder christians are confused...and if Jesus was in fact God, he wouldn't have died at all...and why did he only present himself to a select few when he supposedly risen and not everybody?

Ruth34611 Joined Sat 08/02/08 Posts: 32402	Fri 02/19/10 03:15 PM
"spiritual healing" can not be explained, it has to be experienced. Anyone who requires a definition of spiritual healing has not experienced it..one who has experienced it, can not explain it. I agree. It has to be experienced.