Topic: How the "Gods" do not age
Atlantis75's photo
Fri 01/01/10 11:49 AM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Fri 01/01/10 11:52 AM
Ok, this is nothing but a theory, so don't get carried away.

Let's assume that Earth has been visited by beings from another planet, light years away from Earth.

Let's say these beings share the same characteristics as humans as far as aging, possibly they are humanoids.

So....Time and space is (what we know so far) applies everywhere and from the theories we know, that speed and energy can manipulate time.

Let's say that some "Gods" visited 3000BC and according to religious texts they revisited in 1000BC. Let's say the whatever prophet or "saint" writes about the same exact figures, which makes them look like they live a "long life".

That's when most people would immediately dismiss the entire story, since that's too much science fiction or "religion" about "Gods" or "God" that lives "forever".


Ok, I'm gonna show you something interesting.

Let's say, they travel with a spaceship, that continuously is speeding up (so there is no constant same "cruise speed") and then during the approach of a planet, it slows down.

Let's say they go with the G (Gauss) in which 1 G = 9.81m/s² (that's meter/second squared) since we are talking about acceleration.

So basically a spacecraft leaves, and starts speeding up 1G, 2G, 3G
(multiply 9.81 x2 , x3, x4..and so on)

How does time and speed effect the passengers of the ship, vs. the planet they leave behind?

Here is where the calculations lead:


Space travelers time--------vs---------planet inhabitant (Earth)
(years)--------------------=-----------------years
1---------------------------------------------1
2---------------------------------------------2.1
5---------------------------------------------6.5
10--------------------------------------------24
15--------------------------------------------80
20--------------------------------------------270
25--------------------------------------------920
30--------------------------------------------3100
35 -------------------------------------------10,600
40--------------------------------------------36,000
45--------------------------------------------121,000
50--------------------------------------------420,000

Amazing, isn't it?

So, let's say 3100BC, there was an extraterrestrial visit on Earth.
The stone tablets wrote about it, describing a figure to a certain detail.

Then, in 2,180BC, there was another visit, the the same exact extraterrestial being - same name, same person came again. although possibly he was 25 years older, let's say he was 35yrs old at his first visit and now he was 60) while on Earth we had 920 years just past, roughly almost an entire century!!!


Now, the farther they came from and the more they have to accelerate continuously, then slow down ....and spend more time in acceleration and deceleration, the more time would pass on the originating planet.

So if they came from a place, that took them 45 years traveling in space, we have an astonishing 121,000 years passed on Earth!


So, if we assume that Moses or Ezekiel met extraterrestrial beings, and they weren't too old at the time, it is quite possible to meet the same exact alien, who has talked to Ezekiel prophet who lived in 600BC , perhaps 23-24 years older today!

Isn't that just mind blowing? :smile:


no photo
Fri 01/01/10 02:56 PM
Yep. Also, a different dimension could be operating under a completely different space time system and a fraction of a second here could equal 30 minutes there.


LaMuerte's photo
Fri 01/01/10 11:22 PM

Ok, this is nothing but a theory, so don't get carried away.

Let's assume that Earth has been visited by beings from another planet, light years away from Earth.

Let's say these beings share the same characteristics as humans as far as aging, possibly they are humanoids.

So....Time and space is (what we know so far) applies everywhere and from the theories we know, that speed and energy can manipulate time.

Let's say that some "Gods" visited 3000BC and according to religious texts they revisited in 1000BC. Let's say the whatever prophet or "saint" writes about the same exact figures, which makes them look like they live a "long life".

That's when most people would immediately dismiss the entire story, since that's too much science fiction or "religion" about "Gods" or "God" that lives "forever".


Ok, I'm gonna show you something interesting.

Let's say, they travel with a spaceship, that continuously is speeding up (so there is no constant same "cruise speed") and then during the approach of a planet, it slows down.

Let's say they go with the G (Gauss) in which 1 G = 9.81m/s² (that's meter/second squared) since we are talking about acceleration.

So basically a spacecraft leaves, and starts speeding up 1G, 2G, 3G
(multiply 9.81 x2 , x3, x4..and so on)

How does time and speed effect the passengers of the ship, vs. the planet they leave behind?

Here is where the calculations lead:


Space travelers time--------vs---------planet inhabitant (Earth)
(years)--------------------=-----------------years
1---------------------------------------------1
2---------------------------------------------2.1
5---------------------------------------------6.5
10--------------------------------------------24
15--------------------------------------------80
20--------------------------------------------270
25--------------------------------------------920
30--------------------------------------------3100
35 -------------------------------------------10,600
40--------------------------------------------36,000
45--------------------------------------------121,000
50--------------------------------------------420,000

Amazing, isn't it?

So, let's say 3100BC, there was an extraterrestrial visit on Earth.
The stone tablets wrote about it, describing a figure to a certain detail.

Then, in 2,180BC, there was another visit, the the same exact extraterrestial being - same name, same person came again. although possibly he was 25 years older, let's say he was 35yrs old at his first visit and now he was 60) while on Earth we had 920 years just past, roughly almost an entire century!!!


Now, the farther they came from and the more they have to accelerate continuously, then slow down ....and spend more time in acceleration and deceleration, the more time would pass on the originating planet.

So if they came from a place, that took them 45 years traveling in space, we have an astonishing 121,000 years passed on Earth!


So, if we assume that Moses or Ezekiel met extraterrestrial beings, and they weren't too old at the time, it is quite possible to meet the same exact alien, who has talked to Ezekiel prophet who lived in 600BC , perhaps 23-24 years older today!

Isn't that just mind blowing? :smile:



Until you begin to question how they're powering such travel. Antimatter? Nuclear Fusion? Either way you have to consider just how much energy is required to accelerate such a mass for so long. Then you have to remember that there is no friction in space, so the deceleration as well as acceleration (yes I'm aware that 'deceleration' isn't a real term in science) would require JUST AS MUCH energy in the opposite direction. Would such visits even be plausible when nothing useful has been gained on Earth, and no apparent result has been achieved on either end?

Atlantis75's photo
Sat 01/02/10 06:25 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sat 01/02/10 06:26 PM


Until you begin to question how they're powering such travel. Antimatter? Nuclear Fusion? Either way you have to consider just how much energy is required to accelerate such a mass for so long. Then you have to remember that there is no friction in space, so the deceleration as well as acceleration (yes I'm aware that 'deceleration' isn't a real term in science) would require JUST AS MUCH energy in the opposite direction.


Indeed. If you ask me, (me being just an earthling :angel: )

I got a few ideas about what energy can be used, which doesn't require a solid/liquid energy source.

Nuclear or something even more advanced based on nuclear power.

Funny how nobody thinks of nuclear power in space, while the Sun itself is pretty much trillions of nuclear bombs going off.

The Russians are already considering to test nuclear powered spacecraft, while USA doesn't even really care about space exploration much, as funds have been fueled for the war-machine in the Middle East instead. That's pretty sad if you ask me.



Would such visits even be plausible when nothing useful has been gained on Earth, and no apparent result has been achieved on either end?


What do you mean by "no achievement"?

We could be their little pet-farm test, possibly something similar of me having my own little lake with fish in it I put in. They will feed themselves and multiply if the environment is perfect.


no photo
Sat 01/02/10 06:29 PM
A God with no beginning and no end is the real question....!.
Is it really possible in any scientific sense ?. No .

LaMuerte's photo
Sun 01/03/10 12:13 AM
What do you mean by "no achievement"?

I didn't say "no achievement." I said, quite specifically, "no apparent result." We have no plausible evidence that there ever has been a visit from such beings, and if we have been, there certainly haven't been any notable differences in our world as a result.

That, in a nutshell, was what I meant.

wux's photo
Sun 01/03/10 12:24 AM
Edited by wux on Sun 01/03/10 12:26 AM
I just wanna talk to you
I wanna do you no harm
I just wanna see your different eyes
And where you people from

Is this true?
Please let me talk to you.

I have lived here before
In the age of ice
And that is why I'm so concerned
I come back today and find a place
That's been burned

Is this true?
Please let me talk to you.

I see some of you got your families
Living in cages tall and cold
Some just stay there and dust away
Past the age of old

Is this true?
Please let me talk to you.

(Shocks... if only daddy could see me now!)

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A Jimi Hendrix song from his "Axis: Bold as Love" album, in the mid sixties. Atlantis, apparently you got some shards of Jimi's mind in yours. Get it checked out at the local clinic. No need to worry, just as a precaution.

no photo
Sun 01/03/10 09:12 AM
Until you begin to question how they're powering such travel. Antimatter? Nuclear Fusion? Either way you have to consider just how much energy is required to accelerate such a mass for so long. Then you have to remember that there is no friction in space, so the deceleration as well as acceleration (yes I'm aware that 'deceleration' isn't a real term in science) would require JUST AS MUCH energy in the opposite direction. Would such visits even be plausible when nothing useful has been gained on Earth, and no apparent result has been achieved on either end?


Perhaps:

Long distance space travel is accomplished by bending space. (Like wormholes)

Here are some clips from another website:

Defense Scientists and Engineers are finally starting to understand the ultimate propulsion system that can make instantaneous space travel possible. Traveling even at the speed of light (670,000,000 miles per hour) is just not enough to cover distant destinations in the Universe.

“Flash travel” is term used in traveling from point A to point B in the Universe instantaneously.

Scientists and Engineers are now perplexed trying to understand how that kind of space travel is possible. The answer lies in using something known as dark energy. The dark energy allows disintegration or deformation of space. There are some early indications that dark energy also allows isolating time dimensions.

Physicists and Engineers are researching the use of dark energy. The purpose is to understand the process of bending the space and time. That requires UFO flight patterns; sighting information and a mathematical algorithm to back calculate their flight positions in a more than three dimensional geometry. Computer models are helping. We do not have the technologies to capture or isolate time dimension. Can you draw a block or a cube on a piece of paper? Yes, you can. It is called an isometric drawing

It is the process of drawing a three-dimensional drawing on a two dimensional paper. Similarly, complex algorithms are allowing reverse engineering the UFO Time and Space bending in a medium that is three-dimensional. The resulting map is showing the space and time (four dimensions) in a three dimensional environment.

http://www.ufodigest.com/propulsion.html



Atlantis75's photo
Sun 01/03/10 10:02 PM
Edited by Atlantis75 on Sun 01/03/10 10:13 PM

What do you mean by "no achievement"?

I didn't say "no achievement." I said, quite specifically, "no apparent result." We have no plausible evidence that there ever has been a visit from such beings, and if we have been, there certainly haven't been any notable differences in our world as a result.


And what differences in our world are you looking for?

Of course though, you aren't debating anymore the topic, which discusses how even You or Me wouldn't age even if we could go somewhere, but you are just refuting that nobody came here anyway so why talk about it?



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p.s. For Lori:

(Crossing the Event Horizon)
Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003

part 1.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&ei=moVBS8KBLZ3eqALa7bCGAg&q=nassim+haramein&hl=en&client=firefox-a#

part II.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&ei=moVBS8KBLZ3eqALa7bCGAg&q=nassim+haramein&hl=en&client=firefox-a#docid=-1895475242307393956

Ladylid2012's photo
Mon 01/04/10 08:23 PM
I started watching part one today, about 2 hours of it..
fascinating and makes sense....but that's just me.

LaMuerte's photo
Tue 01/05/10 12:34 PM

Of course though, you aren't debating anymore the topic, which discusses how even You or Me wouldn't age even if we could go somewhere, but you are just refuting that nobody came here anyway so why talk about it?

Actually, I was just asking a question. I was making no argument for or against. You judged my question as a challenge to the proposition.

LaMuerte's photo
Tue 01/05/10 12:37 PM

Until you begin to question how they're powering such travel. Antimatter? Nuclear Fusion? Either way you have to consider just how much energy is required to accelerate such a mass for so long. Then you have to remember that there is no friction in space, so the deceleration as well as acceleration (yes I'm aware that 'deceleration' isn't a real term in science) would require JUST AS MUCH energy in the opposite direction. Would such visits even be plausible when nothing useful has been gained on Earth, and no apparent result has been achieved on either end?


Perhaps:

Long distance space travel is accomplished by bending space. (Like wormholes)

But that would negate the idea of this whole situation. They would have to accelerate constantly for thousands of years (relative to a motionless bystander). The question is where they would acquire such quantities of energy, not how they would travel vast distances. The travel would necessarily take a very long time.

RKISIT's photo
Tue 01/05/10 12:51 PM
Edited by RKISIT on Tue 01/05/10 12:51 PM
couldn't you just calculate the orbiting magnetic pull of planets and just use that to sling you anywhere you wanna go...all you need is enough propulsion to escape its pull and hell you can go 60,000 to 80,000 mph.

just sayin