Mmm. Still barely makes sense, but okay.

In other words, those who initiate such discussion are compensating for something?

... and also Overpowering, Disarming, all-body-trembling force...

Exactly -- they are compensating for the abscence of any such activity!!! (too much pre-occupation with QM, politics, etc.)

Oh, haha. Very funny.

...Except for the fact that I disagree 100% without hesitation or reconsideration: For that is, by far, the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Joke or not, completely ridiculous.

Basically, saying that anyone who flaunts--let's try, possesses--intelligence or even enjoys engaging in debates and intellectual discussion has no capacity for romantic relationships (keeping this PG). Cute idea, but no. Just no.

I would rather have one conversation with someone about these things who has an intellect deeper than a sauce pan than have one "intimate" and trivial interaction with someone who has no idea what the difference is between gravity and the fictitious "5th force" that pseudo-scientists imagine intercourse is.

That is how I feel on the matter.

Well, excuuuuuuuuse me, but you, apparently, assume too much:
I never meant for the saying to be taken literally, i.e. if A then B... (although the reverse is usually true -- if B then A!!!



I agree on this point because SEX without the conversation isn't much different from the masturbation!!!

I think sex is more like what the birds and the bees do. Or else like a manual pump that you use to put air in the tire of your bicycle. Or when you grease up your kitchen drain pipes. Or when you screw.

also:

* * * -- "THAT HO CAN DO!

That`s why I talk to myself all the time, especially before sex. My mother, bless her soul, told me that masturbation was a sin.

When you see me say things like 'Ooh, baby, I love it when you do that' or 'ow...honey, not a headache again?' and there is noone around me to be seen, then you know exactamento what I'm imminently up to.

Oh, _John, you crack me up! ____________ _________

But, as a matter of fact, what I found objectionable is the crazy discussion of what kind of a force is sex!!!

Actually, from my yesterday experience, I'd say it is a very Fulfilling force!

Nevertheless, I resort to the old and trusted way of self-pleasuring sometimes also... And I have to admite Nobody knows how its done better than myself! (except of, probably, a few men...)

BTW, are you at any PayTV channel? How can I observe you???

So, usually, someone who has no capacity for romantic relationships, in turn, has no capacity for intellectual discussion?

That makes no sense, no sense at all. Neither does the reverse make any sense. Both are broad, untrue generalizations based on an idiom. In other words, I fail to see the humor in that little "quip," the original joke, due to its sheer irrationality on all fronts.

Okay. I would say that conversation itself, alone, without the physical interaction, can be just as, if not more, stimulating. The two are not mutually exclusive. I'm not sure why they would have to be.

No, they are not mutually exclusive, but at the same time, they are not the same thing. When was the last time you had a deep, philosophical conversation during...that? *I* was saying, that a platonic conversation can be just as, if not, at times, more stimulating than sexual interaction.

But of course, I do not dispute the fact -- (although, comparing a sexual fulfillment with the stimulating conversation would be the same as comparing your finger with the real_penis!!!

*** Your insistence indicates lack of experience with the latter...
-- only Before or After, BUT NEVER INSTEAD!!! * * *
(--- Unfortunately, heavy breathing, licking, kissing and moaning restricts having any meaningful conversation During the act: because that would be an anfair advantage, if all you can say (in response to the argument) is.. YES, YES, YES, YES, YES, YES.......

I comprehend, you may not accept it now, but, in time, when your "knight in shining armor" would "sweep you off your feet", you will "see the light"!!!

I don't get you people...six pages going back and forth whether or not sex is a desire or force. Here, to some it is a desire; to others it is a force. Some people place entirely too much necessity on such stupid things as hair color, breast/penis size, even skin color...is it that far fetched to think that maybe, just possibly, some of these same people also require sex?

Personally I find sex to be useless more often than not, unless you are reproducing there isn't really anything that sex gives you that other means can't also accomplish (yes, masturbation). Both give you the same end result unless you are trying to have children.

F-and-L:

I find your respone most surprising -- comming from a young man!
Ususally, that is a faminine point of view. But I've never heard a guy saying the same...

All I can say is LUCKY YOU! (if you can service yourself and never miss the closeness, the passion, the unity, the extazy which can be experienced ONLY when you cum simultaneously with your partner, etc. etc. etc.)

But don't worry, the time will come and you will see the light!!!

Geez, isn't there a sex forum here?



The philosophy of sex...

That would make an interesting topic!

Look, the same end result occurs...I orgasm. What else is there aside from romance novelish type results? Fairy tales only happen in movies.

Sex is a means of expressing caring and affection; it is a means of developing awareness of and sensitivity to your partner and their body, as well as your own. Sex is a form of communication, and some very important forms of non-verbal understanding can be shared during sex. Sex can be a means of mindfulness practice. None of this has anything to do with movie fairy tale romances, nor orgasm.

Mmm, well, there is only one *correct* point of view (mine, as it happens), but some just fail to comprehend it. Hence, the prolific repetition on my part restating the obvious:

Sex, a physical interaction, is neither a force nor a desire; it is driven by forces and desires. Period.

No one is impressed by your cynicism and the apparent, subsequent inability to maintain a meaningful relationship that that nihilistic approach to life produces.

Good thing you're content with your narcissistic self-love affair; 'cause I doubt you will have any other options with that outlook, sweet cakes.

Look, that is cool if that is how you feel...personally, sex is rather useless to me. I don't care how you feel I should think, I simply don't care for sex.